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judy

(1,942 posts)
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:13 PM Nov 2017

Sexual harrassment craze of the moment?

2 things about all the accusations of sexual harrassment that are now falling like dead leaves in the fall...

1 - This can go on forever: I don't know any woman who hasn't been subject to unwanted sexual advances, and I know quite a few who lost jobs or careers as a result of saying no. All these men, who were given a pass over and over again, are now stripped of everything, their talent (if any) their livelihoods without due process, in a strident and sudden rush to righteous indignation. Will the list continue on and on?

2 - Among all this outrage in the media, I have yet to find an analysis or any attempt at pointing out or attempting to reverse the culture that causes this.
Among many examples: the general demeaning of women as sexy or not sexy (see many remarks by Trump), disparity in salaries seen as normal, the relentless fight against contraception and the right to choose, the attitude of our VP who can't be alone with a woman in a room (sounds like Shariah to me!), the ever present selling of sex as an incentive to buying anything, cars, vacations, etc. Add to this the constant digital media links about "How a woman who was beautiful, looks now" Note that they don't do this with men , etc. the list is long.

That said, I don't think sexual harassment has to do with sex, but more with power. Going to sex therapy might fix something, but not the cultural aspect: men who consider women as objects are seen as strong and powerful (see Trump bragging in the Access Hollywood video), whereas in reality men who are predators must be fighting a deep sense of insecurity, powerlessness and inability to connect sex with something positive such as love, instead of a highly negative self-disgust and need for domination.

And this ties in with the massacre of the day. A lot of mass killers have a history of domestic violence. Our culture also promotes killing as a solution to most everything (See Trump rushing to tweet that the NY killer deserves the death penalty...he thinks it makes him seem strong), revenge is considered a must, and there is a pervasive sense in the Trump era and among religious fundamentalists that men are somehow victims, including victims of women. Not to mention the systematic rejection of Christian values (i.e values promoted by Jesus of Nazareth) by self-identified Christians, or Muslim values - from the Koran, in which the said Jesus is a venerated prophet - by self-identified Muslims.

Attacking the symptom and not the cause, seems to be the fundamental approach that our society takes to solve all problems

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Sexual harrassment craze of the moment? (Original Post) judy Nov 2017 OP
I think sexual harassment results from male privilege, cyclonefence Nov 2017 #1
it takes hard work, time, patience and persistence to uncover and treat root causes. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2017 #2
PATRIARCHY niyad Nov 2017 #3
"I have yet to find an analysis or any attempt at pointing out or attempting to reverse the culture WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #4

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
1. I think sexual harassment results from male privilege,
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:19 PM
Nov 2017

and, like white privilege, it takes a genuine effort on the part of the privileged to recognize it, much less correct it. I agree that this is going to go on for a long time; I don't know whether men in general are examining their own lives and actions. I think many men don't see that anything is wrong; many men know something is wrong but are unsure of what or why.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,013 posts)
2. it takes hard work, time, patience and persistence to uncover and treat root causes.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:20 PM
Nov 2017

I worked in a process improvement group for a decade in big pharma. Just about all of our work fell on deaf ears - it became clear to me that there is an incredibly strong preference to just do the ineffective but easier, quicker thing of dealing with the symptom.

So - yup - I agree with you. Plus, just dealing with the symptoms leaves an awful lot of things laying dormant, unseen - and in the case of people, off the hook.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,311 posts)
4. "I have yet to find an analysis or any attempt at pointing out or attempting to reverse the culture
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:56 PM
Nov 2017
that causes this."


Our culture and institutions are built on winning and losing, and men feel like they have too much to lose to do something about it.
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