THIS might be my favorite toon of all time:

[kpete]

I am posting it EVERYWHERE!

[Achilleaze]

1. OMG

k and r

[CurtEastPoint]

2. God I am dense. It took me 30 seconds to get this.

[chillfactor]

6. I still don't get it..

so I am really dense.

[angstlessk]

7. Me Too means sexually assulted

[whathehell]

20. .Yeah, well.."assault" women, "assault" the environment

It's all the same to them.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

16. On twitter thousands of women have been sharing stories of being sexual assaulted

using #metoo. (#= hashtag)

[malaise]

3. Brilliant

Stealing it

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. I'm not crazy about mixing the metaphors of assaulting human beings and environmental degradation.

There's a "woman = savage" line of thinking that to this day still informs some of our institutions and legal history. It's a complicated metaphor better handled by rigorous writings than a cartoon, IMO.

[kpete]

5. For me, it's perfect

I see us fucking the planet everyday

I weep for my children and my grandchildren

and yours too

[whathehell]

18. Oh sure..for You it's "perfect" because You are not a human female, I suspect

so for You there's no difference between "fucking" female humans and "fucking" grass and trees, right?.

Try "weeping" for that half of humanity that's belittled and abused every day -- I'd guess even your "children and grandchildren" number among them

.

[ProfessorPlum]

23. kpete happens to be a human female

try to tone down your hostile attitude a little, why don't you

[whathehell]

32. Really?

I have only your word for it, but a female "accustomed" to her second class status wouldn't be an anomaly in any case. It manifests in all oppressed populations.

[niyad]

37. you are insulting one of the best people we have here. what gives?

[whathehell]

47. I don't believe any of us should be entitled to special treatment

and when I feel "one of the best people we have here" is insulting me or minimizing my pain and that of others, I will express that opinion.

[niyad]

50. how, exactly, are YOU being insulted?

[whathehell]

51. I felt that the abuse of women

was being trivialized by being conflated with "mother nature", i.e. the environment. At least one other person on the thread felt the same.

[niyad]

53. and yet, as we know, the abuse of women, and the abuse of mother nature, are

inextricably linked, and always have been.

[whathehell]

57. No, actually, I don't know that..

Nor am I sure anyone else does...I would, in fact, challenge that assertion on the basis of what we know about indigenous Americans. Native Americans lived very low tech lives and were famous for their respect for nature...That said, most were as patriarchal in their social structure as the European settlers.

[kpete]

38. I am human

I am human

I am female

I am a mother and a grandmother

The earth is our home


I have experienced more than you'll ever know as have my children and most of my acquaintances male and female, I'm sorry if you do not like my post.

I feel as though the earth is alive as well as the plants The Animals the sky the water the air that we breathe.

[whathehell]

46. Yes and when female 'humans' are regarded as equal to male 'humans"

that self description should suffice...Unfortunately, that is not yet the case.

Yes, the earth is 'alive' but until I've seen it bleed or listened to it's screams and cries, my priorities will remain human.

[niyad]

49. try opening your ears, and your heart. you will hear.

[whathehell]

52. You do the same.

[niyad]

54. amazingly enough, that is exactly what I have been doing all my decades on this planet.

[whathehell]

55. That's interesting

as I would say the same about myself.

[mobeau69]

13. WTF? Seriously.

n/t in this field.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. I'm not a fan of ecofeminism, that's all.

It's essentialist and not very good at intersectionality.

[whathehell]

17. Me either...Women are PEOPLE

not grass, trees, i.e. "the environment".

[spanone]

8. K&R...

thank you!

[billh58]

9. K&R!

Brilliant...!

[panader0]

10. Recommended.

[The_jackalope]

11. Hammer, meet nail.

Stealing this for Facebook.

[tecelote]

12. When my children are my age...

There will be 50% more people on our planet.

Scares me to death.

[hunter]

42. Possibly not for a few reasons, some good, some bad.

Population growth stops in places where women have even minimal economic power and freedom to use birth control. Many of the so-called "first world" nations would have negative population growth without immigration.

Population growth also stops in places that have gone completely to hell.

As global warming makes previously inhabited places less habitable, there will be more places going completely to hell, even places within the 48 United States.

[LittleGirl]

14. OMG THiS ! Eom

[NJCher]

15. this organic gardener gets it

1,000,000+, kpete.

[whathehell]

19. Glib.. Cute..Shallow.., It minimizes assaults against human beings by conflating

it with "assaults" on the environment....

Oh well..Everyone knows female humans aren't that important, anyway.
.

[ProfessorPlum]

24. this is a rather obvious attempt to stir shit up

try thinking about adding light, rather than heat, to a discussion.

No one, certainly not kpete, is implying that human beings of any kind aren't important. To the extent that we need a survivable habitat to live in, "nature's" importance is that it can sustain female humans.

[whathehell]

26. Um, no it's not..

and I'd suggest that you at least attempt to put yourself in shoes you will never walk in, i.e. a woman's, before you start 'mansplaining' to her.. Just a thought.

[ProfessorPlum]

27. Your faux outrage is noted

[whathehell]

31. So is your faux accusation..

Then again, I'd guess it's easier to throw shade than to imagine, even for a moment, living without your Male Privilege.
.
Have a nice day, dear.

[FSogol]

25. Winner of the Daily, "I'm more liberal than you contest!"

[whathehell]

28. That's one way of looking at it...The other might be

We guys are tired of hearing about women's boring problems...Let's use it to segue into a subject that REALLY matters! :

[klook]

21. Thanks for posting this.

It does not minimize assaults on women but rather advocates for protection of Mother Nature along with all women.

The assaults come from the same source: entitled abusers who continue to take, take, take.

[kpete]

22. Thank you klook

seemed SO obvious to me
thanks for the explanation

words are not my best vehicle
This toon represents what I have been feeling about the abuse our planet has experienced

so sad for ALL of us.



peace,
kp

[whathehell]

33. If I might ask..

what is your feeling, if any, about the abuse human females experience?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

35. Nature is not a woman.

Nor is the earth.

[niyad]

39. and yet, most peoples throughout the existence of humankind, have seen the earth and nature

as female.

earth/heart

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. True.

That doesn't make the metaphor valid, useful or helpful to either environmental efforts or the rights of women. I'm not a fan of ecofeminism, finding it too essentialist, unnecessarily dimorphic and rarely intersectional.

[niyad]

41. others see it quite differently.

[whathehell]

56. That may be because

most peoples "throughout the existence of humankind" have been living under Patriarchy.

[Gothmog]

29. Great cartoon

[samplegirl]

30. Gotta love Clay

He never disappoints!

[niyad]

36. wish it were not so true.

ARTIST: Charlie Murphy
TITLE: Burning Times
Lyrics and Chords


In the cool of the evening, they used to gather
'Neath the stars in the meadow circling an old oak tree
At the times appointed by the seasons
Of the earth and the phases of the moon

/ Am - - - / G - Am - / :

In the center, stood a woman
Equal with the others and respected for her worth
One of the many we call the witches
The healers and the teachers of the wisdom of the earth

And the people grew through the knowledge she gave them
Herbs to heal their bodies, spells to make their spirits whole
Can't you hear them chanting healing incantations
Calling forth the wise ones, celebrating in dance and song

{Refrain}
Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innana (3x)

/ Am G Am GAm / :

There were those who came to power, through domination
And they were bonded in their worship of a dead man on a cross
They sought control of the common people
By demanding allegiance to the church of Rome

And the Pope declared an inquisition
It was a war against the women, whose power they feared
In the holocaust against the nature people
Nine million European women died

And the tale is told of those, who by the hundreds
Holding together chose their death in the sea
While chanting the praises of the Mother Goddess
A refusal of betrayal, women were dying to be free

{Refrain}

****************Now the Earth is a witch, and the men still burn her
Stripping her down with mining, and the poisons of their wars
Still to us the Earth is a healer, a teacher, a mother
The weaver of a web of life that keeps us all alive***************

She gives us the vision to see through the chaos
She gives us the courage, it is our will to survive

[kpete]

45. Thank you for this

I am listening now

****************Now the Earth is a witch, and the men still burn her
Stripping her down with mining, and the poisons of their wars
Still to us the Earth is a healer, a teacher, a mother
The weaver of a web of life that keeps us all alive***************


I have never felt the term "Global Warming" was powerful enough
It is degradation of our planet for greed without regard for those that follow -human, animal, all carbon based creatures.

I believe the trees have spirit and I often think of them as friends, especially the old ones - which I seek out
They give me strength and sometimes I believe in their wisdom more than that of humans.


Art, is subjective, some did not like the toon. Some may not like your song. I am quite moved by it.
As I listen and type I wish I could verbalize better how worried I am for all of us.


Thank you again niyad, your song gives me some comfort.

[niyad]

48. I am so very glad that the song gives you some comfort. it has for me for many years.

you are correct--"global warming" does not quite do it. at the copenhagen climate summit, it was properly termed CATASTROPHIC CLIMATE CHANGE, C3. that is what I call it.

and, like you, I see the spirits, in the trees, in all living things. we have some lovely old ones here. and going into the redwoods. . . . . .

Peace

[cp]

43. Yes, mine too

Thank you, kpete.

[Soxfan58]

44. Perfect

Funny and sad at the same time