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a kennedy

(29,655 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:59 AM Nov 2017

Wow a very good read regarding the Obama voters who overwhelmingly voted for tRump......

In the year since President Trump pulled off his stunning upset of Hillary Clinton, Democrats have blamed the result on all kinds of factors: James Comey’s letter, Russian hackers, voter suppression, Jill Stein’s candidacy and depressed African-American turnout, to name a few. The truth? In an election decided by fractions of percentage points, it’s easy to call just about anything a difference-maker.

But none of that gets at the heart of why so many people who cast a ballot for former president Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 — and who saw Trump as unqualified to be president — nonetheless voted for him. Although it’s far from a microcosm of the nation, there’s one place that I believe illustrates what happened in 2016 better than anything else.

In a nation increasingly composed of landslide counties — places that voted for one side or the other by at least 20 percentage points — Howard County, Iowa (population 9,332), stands out as the only one of America’s 3,141 counties that voted by more than 20 percentage points for Obama in 2012 and Trump in 2016. Democrats can’t credibly blame Howard County’s enormous 41-point swing in just four years on a last-minute letter to Congress, voter ID laws or Russia-sponsored Facebook ads.

Howard County, about 150 miles northeast of Des Moines along the state’s border with Minnesota, is 98 percent white. Only 13 percent of residents age 25 and over hold at least a bachelor’s degree. Median household income in the county in 2015 was $49,869. The largest employers in Cresco, the county seat, include the Donaldson Company, an air filter manufacturer whose local workers belong to the United Auto Workers union, and Featherlite, which makes aluminum livestock and utility trailers.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-county-in-america-that-voted-in-a-landslide-for-both-trump-and-obama/

It really was a perfect storm for Hillary to lose and that orange piece of shit to win......

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Wow a very good read regarding the Obama voters who overwhelmingly voted for tRump...... (Original Post) a kennedy Nov 2017 OP
In other words, they were gulled by Trump. raging moderate Nov 2017 #1
Stolen election...he didn't really 'win' Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #2
One thing I take from this is that sheer anger can make people vote. enough Nov 2017 #3
Just another Hillary hit piece. Howard County need only look in the mirror to find out how they Trust Buster Nov 2017 #4
Yes. Too many in the media are determined to keep on with the Clinton hit pieces because they... brush Nov 2017 #9
I wouldn't characterize it as a Clinton hit piece exboyfil Nov 2017 #18
They are stupid MFM008 Nov 2017 #5
So Hillary needed to tell these people lies wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #6
I've always held that a significant percentage of the American electorate is just fickle Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #7
They genuinely felt they were being persecuted as white people Tiggeroshii Nov 2017 #8
Yep, like white people in this country are persecuted (I don't think I need the sarcasm gif). brush Nov 2017 #10
Oh yeah Tiggeroshii Nov 2017 #16
Lies and propaganda can be a powerful thing. I was a strong Bernie supporter and kacekwl Nov 2017 #11
Actually, I can blame most of it on James Comey and his totally corrupt FBI. StevieM Nov 2017 #12
Having a clear class partisanship would help. David__77 Nov 2017 #13
The main reason so many voted for trump was that he talked about the economy. tonyt53 Nov 2017 #14
So they were A-OK with the racism and misogyny? Coventina Nov 2017 #15
Because he reflected their own racism and made them feel a little better about themselves Tiggeroshii Nov 2017 #17
I was talking about the middle class voters in general. tonyt53 Nov 2017 #19
So Basically RobinA Nov 2017 #20
Anybody who complains about stagnant wages standingtall Nov 2017 #21

raging moderate

(4,298 posts)
1. In other words, they were gulled by Trump.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:05 AM
Nov 2017

How could they not see that Trump is a much worse elitist than Hillary Clinton?

enough

(13,256 posts)
3. One thing I take from this is that sheer anger can make people vote.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:10 AM
Nov 2017

These people voted for Trump out of anger at their situation. Trump took their anger and focused it on Hillary.

Tuesday's vote shows we can use anger too. Democrats need to be loud and clear about their anger.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. Just another Hillary hit piece. Howard County need only look in the mirror to find out how they
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:11 AM
Nov 2017

Could be stupid enough to vote for a Con Man. Who needs such deplorable people ?

brush

(53,771 posts)
9. Yes. Too many in the media are determined to keep on with the Clinton hit pieces because they...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:21 AM
Nov 2017

are as much responsible for orange turd being in office as Comey, Assange, Russian bots/Putin and repug vote suppression.

The media coverage of trump was so much more favorable and voluminous towards him than it was for Clinton and they just don't want to own up to their role in putting the debacle that is trump in the WH.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
18. I wouldn't characterize it as a Clinton hit piece
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 12:11 PM
Nov 2017

This county is just north of me. I was shocked at how many well educated folks (many with M.S. degrees) voted for Trump, and how so many still support him.

MFM008

(19,806 posts)
5. They are stupid
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:14 AM
Nov 2017

And Lazy And sexist.
Whhhaaaaaaa look at me. Nobody else matters.
I'm going to vote to kill all of us.
Whhhaaaaaaa.
They deserve what the maggot spews at them...
WE do not.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
6. So Hillary needed to tell these people lies
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:18 AM
Nov 2017

like Trump did. She could bring back jobs from overseas and raise wages and keep illegal aliens out of the country

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
7. I've always held that a significant percentage of the American electorate is just fickle
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:20 AM
Nov 2017

They vote for the incumbent at four years to "give him a chance" then vote for the challenging party at eight years to "throw the bums out" because everything, for whatever reason, didn't fall into place for them. They're frustrating.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
16. Oh yeah
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:46 AM
Nov 2017

They have it bad... first owning people, now not enough cream in their latte. Must be tough.

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
11. Lies and propaganda can be a powerful thing. I was a strong Bernie supporter and
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:24 AM
Nov 2017

I admit to falling for alot of the b.s. regarding Hillary and Bernie said what I wanted to hear. But in the end I knew I would never vote for a republican candidate and certainly not a complete mess like trump. The people who voted for Obama and then trump are the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
12. Actually, I can blame most of it on James Comey and his totally corrupt FBI.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:37 AM
Nov 2017

Without them, people wouldn't have been ask likely to believe the lies about Benghazi, the fake email scandal, or a supposedly rigged primary.

David__77

(23,372 posts)
13. Having a clear class partisanship would help.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:39 AM
Nov 2017

I’m not referring to “white working class” I’m referrring to the working class.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
14. The main reason so many voted for trump was that he talked about the economy.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:40 AM
Nov 2017

He had no actual plan of any sort, but he talked about it. The DNC platform has two lines about jobs and helping the middle class, and that was it. The words "it's the economy, stupid" is still just as true now as it was in 1992. THAT is how the middle class voted for trump - or didn't vote at all.

Coventina

(27,107 posts)
15. So they were A-OK with the racism and misogyny?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:45 AM
Nov 2017

No way.

They voted for a racist who was unfit for office.

They do not get a pass.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
17. Because he reflected their own racism and made them feel a little better about themselves
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:48 AM
Nov 2017

Hope they feel good not affording that cancer treatment they might be needing next week.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
19. I was talking about the middle class voters in general.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 12:47 PM
Nov 2017

If I wanted to bring up a person voting for insane reasons, then I would have brought up all the voters that fell for the nonsense being put out by the Russian bots, and then voted third party. Which was the same as voting for trump.

Maybe a third of the trump voters are racists. Another third are the hardcore GOP voter. The other third is the group I mentioned. Want to win the middle class voters back in a presidential election? Talk about economic issues. Two lines in the last DNC platform dedicated to that issue.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
20. So Basically
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 01:07 PM
Nov 2017

they voted for a known imbecile to punish Hilary because whisper down the lane said she was an elitist. What does that even mean when the so-called nonelitist flys around in a gold festooned jet.

Oh wait, I get it. He’s rich, has hotels in more countries than he’s heard of, has a personal Boeing, golfs every weekend, and uses a gold toilet, but he’s stupid, so that’s OK, he’s not an elitist.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
21. Anybody who complains about stagnant wages
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 01:57 PM
Nov 2017

and then turns around and votes for a republican is a friggin moron and I don't care what their education level is. They did not vote for Trump, because of the economy they voted for him for racism. The economy was doing pretty well by the election. Democrats do not do well when we are in office with a good economy, because racist whites feel comfortable enough to vote for social wedge issues over pocket book issues.

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