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So now they bring Jesus, Mary and Joseph into the Moore thing: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Nov 2017 OP
Jesus, Joseph Mary...make it stop HipChick Nov 2017 #1
Now that's a desperate Hail Mary play lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #15
I thought Mary was unknowingly knocked up by some billion-year-old like dude having power over her. TheBlackAdder Nov 2017 #38
Just a re-enactment of the original, nothing to see here, move along ..... Canoe52 Nov 2017 #76
This can not be real... bearsfootball516 Nov 2017 #2
My exact thought JDC Nov 2017 #24
So they deny the virgin birth? greymattermom Nov 2017 #3
Exactly, this does not compute at all, at least for a Catholic. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #8
As far as I know all Christians believe in immaculate conception ATL Ebony Nov 2017 #21
No . . . gratuitous Nov 2017 #30
Please name one Christian faction that denys the Virgin Birth -- NEVER heard of one ATL Ebony Nov 2017 #34
Did you read the response? "Immaculate Conception" and "Virgin Birth" are not the same event. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #43
How can you have a virgin birth without an immaculate conception? Achilleaze Nov 2017 #66
Did you read the response? It's all right there. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #70
OK I'm going to file that detail away Achilleaze Nov 2017 #75
Yes, I did but nevermind -- just asked for one Christian faction that you referenced. Thanks anyway ATL Ebony Nov 2017 #81
No, the Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with sexual intercourse or the lack of it. pnwmom Nov 2017 #77
You could put my entire religious education in a thimble... Laffy Kat Nov 2017 #32
Baptists believe Mary didn't remain a virgin for life. Mariana Nov 2017 #71
Boom! Maybe Moore should read that Bobble thang he thumps so lovingly. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #18
As practiced by Christians, the Bible is like a buffet... Pick the parts you like and ignore the res keithbvadu2 Nov 2017 #50
Lol wryter2000 Nov 2017 #65
What?!!! madashelltoo Nov 2017 #4
Ugh! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #5
LOL janterry Nov 2017 #6
No angrychair Nov 2017 #26
That's why.... SergeStorms Nov 2017 #61
they probably think women should still be having babies in Motley13 Nov 2017 #7
Does the bible say how old Mary and Joseph were? Kaleva Nov 2017 #9
No. n/t sarge43 Nov 2017 #67
Not even denying it. mac56 Nov 2017 #10
Ah ditn dewit and it were perfekly OK iff'n ah diyad. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #19
What a nut! oasis Nov 2017 #41
So Roy Moore is now Joseph. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #11
so the implication is that it was alright for moore to sexually assault teenagers.... spanone Nov 2017 #12
Heck, the pioneers took 13 year old brides! forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #28
Didn't Jesus have 2 Dads? FSogol Nov 2017 #13
Jesus angrychair Nov 2017 #25
Sent himself to save the others Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #33
You nailed it!! They_Live Nov 2017 #49
Ha!!! paleotn Nov 2017 #60
Cue Ray Stevens rpannier Nov 2017 #74
He thinks a lot of himself doesn't he? underpants Nov 2017 #14
It's funny 'cuz it's blasphemous. Coventina Nov 2017 #16
I knew it! So predictable Stuckinthebush Nov 2017 #17
so mary had a fling with god behind joseph's back. which 10 commandments applies to that? nt msongs Nov 2017 #20
Joseph on his wedding night. Yavin4 Nov 2017 #29
Beautiful! SergeStorms Nov 2017 #63
I think he missed a bit of religious school -- where Mary was a virgin karynnj Nov 2017 #22
Wow, just wow.. denbot Nov 2017 #23
My eyes are rolling into the back of my head. Doreen Nov 2017 #27
Yay for Christianity Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #31
State auditor is a nut. trof Nov 2017 #35
Please be satire Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #36
Only a fellow pedophile Takket Nov 2017 #37
Where in the New Testament does it actually say how old Mary was? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #39
GOP logic: all women are sluts by nature Nevernose Nov 2017 #44
You gotta be kidding me. oasis Nov 2017 #40
So, to defend a guy who fucks children, he claims Jesus's dad fucked children, too? Iggo Nov 2017 #42
Judicious and lapidary synthesis syringis Nov 2017 #46
It boils down to they say you're not a pedophile/abuser if you are a RepubliCON candidate. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #45
I thought God was supposed to be Jesus' dad Progressive dog Nov 2017 #47
So, Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler knows for a fact that Jesus' father really liked young girls. dalton99a Nov 2017 #48
What's next with these clowns?! paleotn Nov 2017 #51
Don't go there! SergeStorms Nov 2017 #68
Watch out!! volstork Nov 2017 #73
Noah's Daughters erpowers Nov 2017 #78
That was Lot, but the principle is the same. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #82
Republican/right wing religious family values keithbvadu2 Nov 2017 #52
Its 2017 and we are living in The Twilight Zone Pepsidog Nov 2017 #53
Some one has a high opinion of themselves... yuiyoshida Nov 2017 #54
The Bible thumpers got their Bible story wrong. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #55
And no mention of her age. TNNurse Nov 2017 #59
That's just SOFA-KING disgusting, even for a Republican! SergeStorms Nov 2017 #56
Mary may have been a teenager, but wasn't Jesus' conception "immaculate"? George II Nov 2017 #57
For FUCKS sake... (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #58
Fuck I'm for stoning his ass............... Historic NY Nov 2017 #62
...Joseph was actually the stepfather in that scenario... Ken Burch Nov 2017 #64
Defenders are saying, "So what if he did something illegal, he's a man and she's a woman." L. Coyote Nov 2017 #69
OY VEY Podkayne K Nov 2017 #72
Behold the face of the Lord of Lies. McCamy Taylor Nov 2017 #79
so I guess that justifies ANY grown man molesting a 14 year old girl? mnmoderatedem Nov 2017 #80
So he is both the man and the woman? AllyCat Nov 2017 #83
Well now he is Jesus: Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #84
I need to barf. AllyCat Nov 2017 #85

Kingofalldems

(38,444 posts)
8. Exactly, this does not compute at all, at least for a Catholic.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:19 PM
Nov 2017

Don't know what the Baptists believe about Joseph and Mary.

ATL Ebony

(1,097 posts)
21. As far as I know all Christians believe in immaculate conception
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:27 PM
Nov 2017

Regarding the Virgin Mary, Baptists are definitely taught this doctrine.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
30. No . . .
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:37 PM
Nov 2017

The Immaculate Conception is a Catholic doctrine that says Mary was conceived without sexual intercourse (original sin). Jesus' birth is under the doctrine of the Virgin Birth. The Immaculate Conception is almost exclusively Catholic, while the Virgin Birth is an article of faith more generally believed in Christendom, though not all Christians believe in it or think it all that crucial to the Jesus story.

ATL Ebony

(1,097 posts)
34. Please name one Christian faction that denys the Virgin Birth -- NEVER heard of one
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:43 PM
Nov 2017

As a Baptist it's been drilled into me since childhood. Curious to learn about who you're referring to in your statement.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,315 posts)
70. Did you read the response? It's all right there.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:48 PM
Nov 2017

Immaculate conception = the conception of Mary by her parents, in which they had sex but the taint of original sin was removed so Mary would be a flawless vessel to carry Jesus.

Virgin birth = Mary's pregnancy of Jesus, who was conceived without intercourse.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
75. OK I'm going to file that detail away
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:17 PM
Nov 2017

Same place where I keep records of the debate about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
77. No, the Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with sexual intercourse or the lack of it.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:36 PM
Nov 2017

The Catholic Church's doctrine is that all people are born with Original Sin -- the sin of Adam and Eve, disobeying God -- but Mary was free of it. Mary was the Immaculate Conception.

Jesus, according to the Church, was the result of a Virgin Birth, with no human father.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

The Immaculate Conception, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, is the conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the foreseen merits of her son Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church teaches that Mary was conceived by normal biological means in the womb of her mother, Saint Anne, but God acted upon her soul, keeping it "immaculate".

The Immaculate Conception is commonly confused with the Virgin Birth of Jesus. Jesus's birth is covered by the Doctrine of Incarnation, while the Immaculate Conception deals with the conception of Mary, not that of her son.

Original sin - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin
Original sin, also called ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin resulting from the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Laffy Kat

(16,376 posts)
32. You could put my entire religious education in a thimble...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:42 PM
Nov 2017

But I thought it was Mary that was the immaculate conception. That it was Jesus' mother who was born free from original sin. I'm confused about this. I have seen it both with Mary and regarding Jesus.

Not that this matters in the least. It's all myth to me and Roy Moore is TOAST, hahahahaha.

keithbvadu2

(36,731 posts)
50. As practiced by Christians, the Bible is like a buffet... Pick the parts you like and ignore the res
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:29 PM
Nov 2017

As practiced by Christians, the Bible is like a buffet... Pick the parts you like and ignore the rest.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
61. That's why....
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:40 PM
Nov 2017

they think it's perfectly alright for them to do it. Hey, if it's good enough for the "big guy" it's good enough for them.

spanone

(135,815 posts)
12. so the implication is that it was alright for moore to sexually assault teenagers....
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:20 PM
Nov 2017

because joseph was a pedophile???

forgotmylogin

(7,523 posts)
28. Heck, the pioneers took 13 year old brides!
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:33 PM
Nov 2017

They're like pioneers!

Or, as pioneers are called today, the FLDS.

angrychair

(8,686 posts)
25. Jesus
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:29 PM
Nov 2017

Was his own dad.
He spent all that time talking to himself...Ghost version of himself...he asked himself why he foresaked himself...

Stuckinthebush

(10,843 posts)
17. I knew it! So predictable
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:23 PM
Nov 2017

Bring in God. Start confusing the issue with Jesus.

Soon he will stand up with his wife and pastor and denounce the devil.

My gods this crap hurts my head.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
39. Where in the New Testament does it actually say how old Mary was?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:24 PM
Nov 2017

Or Joseph for that matter.

More to the point, they did get married to each other.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
44. GOP logic: all women are sluts by nature
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:37 PM
Nov 2017

Mary was a virgin. Ergo, she must’ve gotten angelically impregnated before she was old enough to be slutty. Science!

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
47. I thought God was supposed to be Jesus' dad
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:10 PM
Nov 2017

and Mary was a virgin. I also don't remember anything in the Bible about God molesting Mary.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
78. Noah's Daughters
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:15 PM
Nov 2017

Didn't Noah's daughters get him drunk and have sex with him in order to repopulate the Earth? I may be wrong, I thought someone's daughters had sex with him because there were no other men they could have sex with and have children.

So, I do not know, maybe the Republicans will say incest is okay when they are no other available men. Maybe they will say the father had sex with his daughter because he could not find a suitable man for her and he wanted her to have a child.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
82. That was Lot, but the principle is the same.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 08:22 AM
Nov 2017

It's in the Bible, not condemned, so Alabama will probably try to make it legal.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
53. Its 2017 and we are living in The Twilight Zone
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:32 PM
Nov 2017

where 30 year old pervert hillbillies are “romantically” involved with 14 year olds girls. Every time I think these ass backward southern rejects could not go any lower they continually outdo themselves. Now a candidate for the United States Senate is a sexual predator of young girls. Where I live in NJ Roy would be in prison for his “romantically” courting,as they say, underage girls or his ass would be handed to him by a furious Father. This self righteous pieces of shit should all be in prison along with the sick bastards that vote for him.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
54. Some one has a high opinion of themselves...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:34 PM
Nov 2017

Goman na hito ga Kirada . 五万な ひと が キラだ, I hate arrogance. 私は傲慢さが嫌い

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
55. The Bible thumpers got their Bible story wrong.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:34 PM
Nov 2017

God got Mary pregnant; Joseph wasn't Jesus' father and didn't knock Mary up. That whole virgin birth thing, remember?

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
Matthew 1:18 et seq.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
56. That's just SOFA-KING disgusting, even for a Republican!
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:35 PM
Nov 2017

These people (Republicans) have absolutely no honor or humility at all. What disgusting pigs.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
64. ...Joseph was actually the stepfather in that scenario...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:43 PM
Nov 2017

At least that's what they taught us in MY Sunday school classes.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
69. Defenders are saying, "So what if he did something illegal, he's a man and she's a woman."
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:46 PM
Nov 2017

So fuck her, literally and metaphorically, and now symbolically too. This pervasive culture of sexual abuse and male dominance must be arrested, literally, along with the criminals.

Where are the arrests?




Podkayne K

(145 posts)
72. OY VEY
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:05 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:24 PM - Edit history (1)

how did such a nice young Jewish couple get schleped into such a tzimmes?

mnmoderatedem

(3,722 posts)
80. so I guess that justifies ANY grown man molesting a 14 year old girl?
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 04:40 AM
Nov 2017

oh wait, it's only OK if that grown man happens to be a republican running for congress. Silly me.

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