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BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:26 PM Nov 2017

Roy Moore will be elected Senator

That’s my prediction based on Trump’s 59% approval rating there. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/10/trumps_approval_rating_down_in.html

The allegations won’t affect the majority of voters’ views there. Only 8% of Trump voters believe any of the allegations against him (Source: Ari Melber). The allegations against Moore will be dismissed as fake news and a Democratic conspiracy. There is NOTHING a Republican could do to convince white Alabamans to vote Dem, and they control the electoral system that enables the rest to vote, or not.

I do think Democratic electoral prospects are improving, but a full-scale change in the political culture of the Deep South is a bridge too far.

I hope I’m wrong. I want Dems to do everything possible to win, but we should not overestimate the impact of these disclosures. Grab ‘em by the pussy won the presidency. Women’s lives aren’t seen as valuable enough to keep a man from political office.

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Roy Moore will be elected Senator (Original Post) BainsBane Nov 2017 OP
I think you're right it is Alabama nycbos Nov 2017 #1
I'm afraid so. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2017 #2
Since it was the establishment GOPs to help expose the info Iliyah Nov 2017 #3
Probably. It's all about being a member of the tribe. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #4
I believe you're 100% correct. nt Codeine Nov 2017 #5
They'll have a similar sign for Moore: dalton99a Nov 2017 #6
Yep BainsBane Nov 2017 #10
The Evangelical voters voted for Pence Texx Nov 2017 #52
The expression on the face of that woman in the... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #39
Thats what a cult looks like. n/m RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #49
I don't ever want to hear the fundies complain about family values ever again. Initech Nov 2017 #7
To fundies, "family values" means that family men get to beat/rape/otherwise abuse Nay Nov 2017 #57
Well hell why not you got one that bluestarone Nov 2017 #8
Time for another donation to Doug Jones. nt irisblue Nov 2017 #9
I think so, too. herding cats Nov 2017 #11
Scary stuff there BainsBane Nov 2017 #12
People do want to believe everyone thinks at least similarly to them, but it's simply not true. herding cats Nov 2017 #20
Next time Democrats have control maxrandb Nov 2017 #13
We need to take tax exempt status away from churches that preach politics from their pulpits. herding cats Nov 2017 #22
From your lips maxrandb Nov 2017 #25
and I think so too Horizens Nov 2017 #16
Of course. herding cats Nov 2017 #24
IN other news the sun rises in the east. Film at 11. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #14
I'd guess you are right too. SweetieD Nov 2017 #15
I dunno bigtree Nov 2017 #17
what we need is moore to run and for the "sane" repubs questionseverything Nov 2017 #51
I wonder if this will be like the Gianforte situation. PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #18
I fear thats the case BainsBane Nov 2017 #27
Yep. If Moore plays the victim card he will handily win in Alabama. Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #38
the girl was asking too many questions bdtrppr6 Nov 2017 #47
Moore's lead is in the single digits and this was before the story broke. Kaleva Nov 2017 #19
We have a small, but legitimate shot at this seat. Tatiana Nov 2017 #21
A point or less? fallout87 Nov 2017 #26
Yep. fallout87 Nov 2017 #23
Thanks for pointing that out maxrandb Nov 2017 #28
The Last Days Of The Empire..... Laxman Nov 2017 #29
Kind of a combo like this I'd say... workinclasszero Nov 2017 #32
I Think About Those Two Movies..... Laxman Nov 2017 #41
Correction: Nevernose Nov 2017 #30
A week ago, I would have no doubt. We have a chance, but it is AL. Hoyt Nov 2017 #31
It is Sessions seat, Alabama sucks. dem4decades Nov 2017 #33
Rachel had a local reporter from AL on agreeing with the OP. mucifer Nov 2017 #34
The political pundit who has gotten everything right Ilsa Nov 2017 #35
Check the polls. They were even before this broke. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #36
you have a link to these polls? woolldog Nov 2017 #43
Democratic Resistance: L. Coyote Nov 2017 #45
If elected, Moore can assist Trump in destroying the Republican Party HopeAgain Nov 2017 #37
Yes I think this is the GOP's worst nightmare TNLib Nov 2017 #56
And if elected, dollars to donuts that the Republican... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #40
Alabama political reporter suggested his margin of victory will be BIGGER as bullwinkle428 Nov 2017 #42
"Resistance is futile!" struggle4progress Nov 2017 #44
280 characters isn't enough space to describe how sick, twisted, despicable, shameful, gruesome, ... L. Coyote Nov 2017 #46
With my 4 hour advantage, I disagree. nt greyl Nov 2017 #48
I hope youre right! BainsBane Nov 2017 #50
Unless Luther Strange makes a serious run against him pnwmom Nov 2017 #53
Id be very surprised if he does. Nt BainsBane Nov 2017 #54
Normally I'd agree but this race was pretty close before this news broke. TNLib Nov 2017 #55
Yeah, sadly I agree with you. cwydro Nov 2017 #58

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Since it was the establishment GOPs to help expose the info
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:32 PM
Nov 2017

and apparently they are going gun ho in saving what ever to save, Moore might have some problems. A lot of bible thumpers do have daughters.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,607 posts)
4. Probably. It's all about being a member of the tribe.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:32 PM
Nov 2017

They really don't care what he did; he's their guy and that's all that matters. Trump proved that point.

Texx

(3 posts)
52. The Evangelical voters voted for Pence
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 04:46 AM
Nov 2017

I think the reason Trump received the highest percentage of Evangelical voters is because these Evangelical voters in essence cast their vote for and because of Pence and not Trump. They really want Pence to become their president.

Initech

(100,041 posts)
7. I don't ever want to hear the fundies complain about family values ever again.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:33 PM
Nov 2017

If they support this fucking piece of shit, they normalize sexual assault. That is the opposite of the family values they portray. Fucking scumbags. You don't get to dictate morals and values to me if you support a child molester.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
57. To fundies, "family values" means that family men get to beat/rape/otherwise abuse
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:30 PM
Nov 2017

anyone else in the family, and the abused just need to STFU or they are going to hell.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
11. I think so, too.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:54 PM
Nov 2017

It may be slightly closer, but not close really and Moore will win the seat. He'll possibly end up stepping down later and will be replaced by another less tainted Republican, but they'll win the seat now and hold it later.

I grew up around bible thumping people. They'll blame the victim for tempting him, they'll say she was a tart, a vixen, an agent of Satan sent to test him. He didn't penetrate her, so he stood up to the Devil and shame on her for putting him in that position. They'd have said similar if he did actually engage in sex with her, to be fair. Males reign supreme in that culture and women are all daughters of Eve the original temptress after all. On edit: this is not my beliefs, but what many there believe or will tell themselves to validate their votes.

Add that mentality to their churches beliefs that Democrats are trying to destroy Christianity, and you're pretty much assured the majority of that state will still back him.

We need to do some serious last minute work trying to GOTV there, which may be made easier by this, but registration stops 14 days before the election. So, there's not much time left there for that.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
12. Scary stuff there
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:57 PM
Nov 2017

Your insight is valuable. People often have a tendency to believe everyone thinks like they do, and it’s not the case.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
20. People do want to believe everyone thinks at least similarly to them, but it's simply not true.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:21 PM
Nov 2017

I've tried and failed many times to explain the debth of cultural misogyny and white male privilege that reigns in rural regions of states like Alabama. It also exists in the urban areas, but it's diluted and not as openly accepted.

There is a substantial block of our country that claims to love and respect women, until something like this is exposed against a male they hold in esteem. Even most of the women are brainwashed to believe women are sinful by nature and have to fight their impulses to tempt men. Once a girl begins to "blossom" it's her duty to control the impact she has on males.

I grew up around these people, they could be nice, kind even loving, but this was core tenet of their beliefs.

maxrandb

(15,298 posts)
13. Next time Democrats have control
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:08 PM
Nov 2017

They need to seriously punish the living hell out of States like Alabama.

I'm not joking. Alabama needs to lose its statehood just for nominating a whackjob like Moore.

Spare me the "there are good people there" stuff too.

If Roy Moore as a state Supreme Court judge wasn't enough to pack up your bags and get out of that hellhole... that's on you.

Oh... I forgot. I'm supposed to "reach out" to people who support pedophilia. Sorry!

What can we do to get them to vote for sane people???

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
22. We need to take tax exempt status away from churches that preach politics from their pulpits.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:25 PM
Nov 2017

I know it won't happen, but that's what we need to do if we ever hope to see a semblance of hope of ending this sort of issue.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
24. Of course.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:27 PM
Nov 2017

You're more than welcome to share my post with others. Knowledge is power and people need to learn and understand why some regions are so very different than the one they reside in.

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
17. I dunno
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:12 PM
Nov 2017

...let's see if we can widen the wedge between his republican support and scared republicans overwhelmed with Trump.

Enough publicity and they may well pull his nomination.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
51. what we need is moore to run and for the "sane" repubs
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 02:47 AM
Nov 2017

to get a write in candidate going for someone else

split their vote

Alabama law wont let moores name off ballot so that part is easy

it could happen

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
18. I wonder if this will be like the Gianforte situation.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:14 PM
Nov 2017

Democrats and the media thought his assault on a journalist was a disqualifier. Republicans didn't care. However, that was a day before the election. Hopefully the extra time will allow for a write-in candidate, and Moore & the write-in can split the vote.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
27. I fear thats the case
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:29 PM
Nov 2017

We often think outrageous acts are disqualifiers, but they rarely prove to be with Republicans.

I hope I’m wrong. I’ve just seen it too many times recently.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
21. We have a small, but legitimate shot at this seat.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:22 PM
Nov 2017

We have to mobilize every single Democrat and Independent we can find. And even then, this race will probably be decided by a point or less.

Yes, a majority of people in Alabama are bible thumping, brainwashed Republicans. But there are still decent people (as epitomized by Doug Jones) that are willing to fight for a decent state and nation. We need to encourage them, give them hope, and financial support.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
23. Yep.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:26 PM
Nov 2017

One washington post article isn't going to change anything. They dont even trust the WaPo.... Plus the republicans are not falling in step with the Mitch Mcconnells and McCains anymore.

maxrandb

(15,298 posts)
28. Thanks for pointing that out
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:30 PM
Nov 2017

I'm sick and tired of the Retrumplican "bad cop-worse cop" bullshit.

And "eff" Susan Collins weak ass con job too

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
29. The Last Days Of The Empire.....
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:36 PM
Nov 2017

gluttony, lust, perversion and idolatry. All from a band of racist, homophobic, misogynistic creeps. How did it come to this?

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
41. I Think About Those Two Movies.....
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:50 PM
Nov 2017

all the time these days. I called one of the local republican candidates around here Stony Lonesome last week. He had no idea what I was talking about.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
30. Correction:
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:42 PM
Nov 2017

National Democrat Party conspiracy. Direct quote.

Man, talk about micro aggressions and passive aggressiveness. “Democrat Party?” They’ve been think they’re sly with that insult since Father Whatshisface in the 1930s.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. A week ago, I would have no doubt. We have a chance, but it is AL.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:44 PM
Nov 2017

I'm from GA, so I know it takes a lot for white wingers to abandon a racist candidate. But, this is an opening I hope Jones can exploit.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
35. The political pundit who has gotten everything right
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:48 PM
Nov 2017

Regarding AL over the last few years said Moore will get even more votes now. He said republicans think this is either a Mitch McConnell or DNC conspiracy.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
36. Check the polls. They were even before this broke.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:58 PM
Nov 2017

And this story has only begun to break. Roy Moore is trending #1 nationally. The polls will shift immensely.




HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
37. If elected, Moore can assist Trump in destroying the Republican Party
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:18 PM
Nov 2017

The final chapter of the fallout of the 2016 election is far from written yet. If Tuesday says anything, it could be that Trump will still be the worst thing for the Republicans yet.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
56. Yes I think this is the GOP's worst nightmare
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:11 PM
Nov 2017

If he wins he's going to bring down the GOP in 2018 along with Trump and they know it.

3catwoman3

(23,950 posts)
40. And if elected, dollars to donuts that the Republican...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:44 PM
Nov 2017

...senators, who were calling him out today and saying that there would be no place in the senate, will wlecome Mooore with hail-fellow-well-met backslaps and applause.

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
42. Alabama political reporter suggested his margin of victory will be BIGGER as
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM
Nov 2017

the result of this story surfacing.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
55. Normally I'd agree but this race was pretty close before this news broke.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:08 PM
Nov 2017

If a few I's switch, Dems in Alabama get out and vote and a few R's stay home with disgust, then this could be a big win for the Dems

But then again it is Alabama and it's very hard to imagine it going Blue.

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