Just in the last couple of days, Roy Moore, Louis C.K. and now, Jann Wenner

[MrScorpio]

It’s no secret that the allure of some men to fame and power reveals their thirst for inappropriate sexual behavior as well.

But let’s not forget that Trump’s life was full of these stories as well. He’s a self-admitted sexual predator and abuser. He must not be allowed to let the presidency protect him. How can anyone forget the precedent set when Bill Clinton was hounded into an impeachment over lying about a consensual sexual relationship?

He was actually deposed as president. I would love to see Trump in a deposition as well.

What do you think the outcome if the greatest liar that anyone has ever seen was himself deposed in a civil class action lawsuit by his victims from years of his well established sexual predation?

They’re out there, plenty of women who were probably treated worse by Trump than by the women (and children) apparently abused by men like Roy Moore, Louis C.K. and Jann Wenner.

It’s time for some justice for Trump’s silent victims. It’s time for the same GOPrs who impeached Clinton to show just how hypocritical they are for failing to support the impeachment of Trump, were he to do the exact same thing that Clinton was charged with.

It’s a tsunami of relevation is happening right now and the victims are refusing to be silent. Someone knows who Trump’s victims are, they should be encouraged to chose to speak up and tell the truth about him. They should be protected from the power of the most powerful sexual predator on the planet. They should be believed and the proper responses taken against Trump.

It’s time for a reckoning.

[Initech]

1. It's time to take the family values crowd down for this.

They can't seriously look to sit on a national or even a global stage, look us in the eyes, and tell us about "deviant lifestyles" that "harm children" ever again while they go out and actively support accused child molestors Roy Moore and Donald Trump. If anything this is showing us that the accusers will often do what they accuse others of. It's sick, disturbing, and insane. The "family values" crowd really needs an ass whooping. They need to be made irrelevant.

[NCTraveler]

2. " Bill Clinton was hounded into an impeachment over lying about a consensual sexual relationship"

Calling that consensual is questionable at best. I personally don't care what Monicas motives were. The power difference that existed in their relationship in the workplace makes it impossible for me to accept it as "consensual".

[MrScorpio]

3. Does anyone remember what her account of their relationship was?

Was she pressured, or otherwise coerced into it? In spite of the power dichotomy, that doesn’t necessarily exclude mutual consent in a sexual encounter.

That’s what a power exchange dynamic is all about, whenever it’s employed.

Monica would be the only person to determine that here.

[NCTraveler]

4. The power difference and clear concealment...

Are the reasons I don’t care. Her consenting in that situation absolves Clinton of nothing. In the workplace, with power being that different, I will not justify or accept it. It’s not accepted when a woman voluntarily performs the same service on a Hollywood exec considering the power difference implications.

[MrScorpio]

6. Im not saying that Clinton was right to have that sexual relationship and then lie about it

But Monica’s consent makes all the difference between Clinton being put into the same category of a Trump or a Moore or not. The lack of consent denotes any lack of power exchange in a sexual relationship.

Monica’s account is the more important one to me, precisely because she lacked power. If she says that there was mutual consent, that stipulates an exchange of power between herself and Clinton. If she had rescinded her consent, that would be a whole other matter.

My only concern is for the victims here, what they're telling us. They all know whether or not they’ve been victimized or not. As we believe the accounts of people who say that they’ve been victimized by their abusers and did not consent to how they were treated, we should also allow Monica the same courtesy if she says that she consented instead.

[NCTraveler]

7. I never put him in the same category as Trump or Moore.

I simply don't accept consent under such a situation and don't like it when it's promoted as such.

[MrScorpio]

8. So, youre saying that if even if she wanted to screw the President...

We should automatically disregard her autonomy, merely because the man she wanted to screw WAS the President?

You can’t get any more American than that. I was in Europe during the Lewinsky mess and I saw first hand how much it made us look like a global laughing stock.

Monica’s an adult, she may have made a bad decision about who she wanted to screw. But at least she had a choice about making a bad decision. Women choose to screw powerful men all the time. As long as there’s mutual consent and the absence of abuse and coercion, I don’t see a problem with that.

Taking away her consent when she freely gave is just as bad as giving “consent” to victims who never gave any to their abusers. Show me where she was coerced and I’ll see your point.

Others who abuse those without consent, for whatever situation are the problem here. I can’t put Monica in that same boat, because she chose not to go there.

[NCTraveler]

10. "Merely"

It was in a work setting and there are few jobs in the world that would provide such a power difference. I don't excuse it and then throw some "America" crap out there.

[MrScorpio]

15. Lets not forget that Clinton wasnt impeached for having sex with Lewinsky

He was impeached for lying about it in a sworn deposition.

Legally, a consensual sexual relationship between the two was moot. It only mattered in this country because of our ridiculously juvenile and puritanical attitude towards sex AND the witch hunt by the GOPrs, who are the worst of the worst when it comes to that attitude.

Monica made a choice. I’m bound to respect it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

13. No. She pursued him and admitted it.

He was dumb enough to respond.

[MrScorpio]

17. Bingo.

[LanternWaste]

9. You then have evidence she did not in fact, consent

"Calling that consensual is questionable at best..."

You then have evidence she did not in fact, consent, or was coerced into consenting? Otherwise, it meets both the legal and the formal definition of the word.

[NCTraveler]

11. The power dynamic alone.

It's not acceptable to me and shouldn't be to you.

Claiming that this is acceptable consent in society is to excuse sex that arises every day in this country between low level staff and CEO's. Many women in these situations do not say no. That does not mean I have to accept it. It also doesn't mean she didn't say no because she was looking for pleasure. I'm sure Monica simply likes having an old mans penis in her mouth.

[moda253]

12. Wow.

I REALLY don't like the world that you are trying to set up.

[NCTraveler]

14. A world where CEOs arent hiding in their offices..

Having sexual relations with lower level female employees?

Sorry, my world is becoming more of a reality. We are making slow and steady progress in these areas. It’s becoming more and more unacceptable, as it should.

Maybe it's like Louis CK said today. It's an age and understanding thing.

"These stories are true," he admitted. "At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my (penis) without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your (penis) isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly."

[TexasBushwhacker]

16. Sorry, but some women do pursue powerful men

Monica told a friend, before leaving for Washington, that she would be getting her "presidential knee pads". She told Linda Tripp it was no big deal because it was "only oral sex".

[NCTraveler]

18. Fully agree.

And understand what Monica said. Not a bit of that means I must excuse Clinton.

[TexasBushwhacker]

19. Exactly. Had Bill not caved and carried on with Monica

His presidency would be remembered as a time when he turned the economy around and left a budget surplus to GWB. Instead, he's remembered as the one who git blown in the Oval Office and lied about it.

[NCTraveler]

20. Big time. nt.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. This wenner guy

Must be the 'blind' item that has been floating around about the 'media guy'. It didn't make sense if it had been Ronan Farrow.

[elias7]

21. I'm waiting for Trump accusers to become re-empowered

Why should he be exempt?

[MrScorpio]

22. Damn skippy!