How do you fight this.?.

[busterbrown]

A Senior Female Moore Supporter stated this today to a MSNBC Reporter.

"Well even if he did molest her..I'm still gonna vote for Roy Moore, because I know Jesus forgave him and that means
I can forgive him"

You can bet she's not the only one who feels this way...

How does one reply to this...As an Atheist I certainly Can't reply to her statement..Because as far they are concerned I'm worse than the Devil..

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. You turn out your own voters.

[rogue emissary]

28. +1

[SandyZ]

2. He has to admit to the sin first to be forgiven. He has not.

[Sneederbunk]

5. +1

[Mariana]

11. Every flavor of Christianity doesn't require that. nt.

[SandyZ]

18. I have not seen one that does not.

[Mariana]

19. I have.

Basically, they believe when someone becomes a Christian, Jesus forgives them for all their past sins and all their future sins. No matter what they do, they've already been forgiven for it.

There are thousands of denominations and millions of individual practitioners, all with their very own interpretations of the stories in the book. Someone can believe or disbelieve just about anything and still be one variety of Christian or another.

[SandyZ]

22. From what I have heard about this and I am not an expert, they have to own the mistake, as a mistake

[Bradical79]

27. Also, she would have to be the one to forgive him

It's the victim whose forgivness he would have to seek. Other than this hypothetical God and the victim, anyone else is irrelevant to forgiveness.

Not to mention even if I forgive someone, I'm still not psychic. I don't truly know if someone is repentant and changed.

[Kaleva]

3. Don't worry about the truly lost

You just have to convince enough of the sensible ones to either not go to the polls or to switch sides. And also work hard on GOTV.

[rzemanfl]

4. Taxing churches like any other for profit business would be a good start. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Maybe Jesus forgave him but that doesn't mean anybody ought to vote for him.

How one's religious affiliation evaluates one's personal sins is irrelevant to fitness for public office. If the people of Alabama choose to believe Jesus forgives child molestation (and my understanding of the whole concept of forgiveness is that the sinner has to admit the sin and genuinely repent, which Moore has not done), the fact remains that child molestation is both immoral and illegal. Does the presumed forgiveness on the part of Jesus mean that any act, however heinous and/or illegal, committed by a "believing Christian" elected official, must also be forgiven and tolerated by the electorate? Or does this principle apply only when the sinner is a Republican?

[busterbrown]

7. Nicely stated..

I agree totally...But you and I both know that you cannot turn a pickle into a cucumber. They'll never change!

[world wide wally]

8. Here is a reply for you:

He can't be forgiven unti he confesses his sin.
So, if he confessed to God, he is now lying to the rest of us and that is a new sin.
Fuck him (last statement is optional)

[busterbrown]

9. And according to his supporters/?

He'll be forgiven again..

[world wide wally]

12. See the next comment about Hillary

[busterbrown]

15. Just replied to it...thanks n/t

[unblock]

10. ask if jesus has forgiven hillary

the correct answer is, "for what?" to which you can say, "good point. isn't it better to act in a way that doesn't need to be forgiven in the first place?"

but more likely they'll come up with something that they can't really articulate like email somethinghazi gurglebleph.
well, did jesus forgive her? if not, why not? did they vote for her?

most likely they'll say that she's a liberal and that jesus can't forgive liberals until they renounce their liberality because jesus said though shalt not liberal. it's right there in the book of rush.

so she'll vote for a republican criminal because jesus forgives, but never vote for a liberal saint, because liberal is unforgivable.
at that point just say so clearly you don't care about jesus because you'll vote republican no matter what?

[busterbrown]

13. I'll never remember all that..

Its good though..

[world wide wally]

16. That's where the "fuck him" comes in

[Iggo]

14. With ridicule.

[Tatiana]

17. Even Jimmy Swaggart offered a public repentance. Moore denies his sin.

So how can G-d forgive him? How does this woman know Jesus forgave him? Based on what?

The answer is you can't fight it. They just come up with excuses to justify their unjust and immoral beliefs. They don't want to be educated. They like the swamp.

[smirkymonkey]

25. Alabama ranks #47 in education.

This would bear that out.

[spanone]

20. i heard 'even if he is guilty, i'll vote for him, it's better than voting for a democrat'

who the fuck are these people?

[Garrett78]

21. GOTV...that's really the only way.

As others have suggested, we simply have to outnumber folks like that. And we have to raise holy hell about voter suppression.

[oxbow]

23. How would they feel if it he had molestsd them or their daughter, etc

Make it personal, make them really feel it when they want to condone his crimes. Without knowing their specific issues, the best approach is one from a place of compassion.

[HAB911]

24. They wrote their own rules

"Well even if he did molest her..I'm still gonna vote for Roy Moore, because I know Jesus forgave him and that means
I can forgive him"

Interpretation: They have a blank check to do whatever they want.

I would ask, "Does the Jesus EVER not forgive?" "How do you know?"

[Chasstev365]

26. I would ask her if she is OK with a 30 year old doing that to her granddaughter?