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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it possible that some of these accusations are fabricated to help camouflage the legitimate ones?
I don't want to hint that any specific person is actually innocent, but it seems these accusations are accelerating to warp nine!
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Towlie
(5,318 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)... essentially that yes, in his attempts to persuade someone he didn't feel he had power over in the career or legally defined as bad sense, he'd touched junk without being invited and sometimes even if they seemed reluctant. But that he'd always taken a persistent emphatic no for an answer.
I'm not really sure if it isn't entirely possible that neither George or the model are deliberately lying.
The accuser doesn't describe a typical "drugging" or the type of drinks -- it's possible they were gigantic Long Islands poured liberally. Cosby victims pretty much exclusively described something lasting a very long time, and most things available back then were long-acting. He was able to drive within a few hours, if probably still legally intoxicated.
I've been in a blackout once. I "came to myself" trying to get a guy who'd convinced me to go back to a secluded area with him to leave me alone (said my age and he dropped me like a hot potato), but the urgent biological need that was probably how he got me back there was needing to find a restroom. Was the first time I'd ever drank, I drank too much too fast. It cleared up fairly quickly because I didn't drink more and my body got rid of it. And it scared the bejezus out of me, so I've never had lost time drinking or drank that fast since.
It's certainly much more likely that a person would remember a celebrity like George than that he would remember every person who might have been in his apartment at one time or another, especially if they never slept together/were closer than club friends. If it comes out that there's no way he could have forgotten, like we see credits from them working together closely where he'd have remembered a name, I'll be very sad. But people weren't keeping paranoid track of every sexual partner in 1981 to make sure they knew who to call if they got bad news. That was before it was known there was such thing as a fatal untreatable STD floating around, let alone how people were getting it, and gay or straight casual sex wasn't the big deal it became later.
If the model was blacked out... it's a sucky situation. It's the risk you take when you make a move on someone drinking, that they might be walking around talking and not recording memory. It could be that George and the accuser are both telling their side of the truth.
I still think the right thing to do when someone says they're feeling ill from something they've consumed is to take sex off the agenda and take care of the person. But if he was blacked out, he might have said he was feeling better.
But in my experience, men have harassed me since I was 10. #metoo
jrthin
(4,833 posts)uncle pulled out his penis and told me to touch it. I ran and told my mother.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)wishstar
(5,268 posts)to try and muddy waters to discredit real Trump tapes that exist.
But so far none of all these molestation accusers have been discredited and very few denials by those who have been accused of inappropriate behavior
Big Blue Marble
(5,046 posts)All of them true. I have many myself.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)I would say you are correct!
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)We will come to learn that it is universal and not limited to any demographic. It will bind us.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)but had consensual sex to claim it for their 15 minuets of fame...
Others were really hurt...I for one, So I would not easily say some or most were innocent.
Big Blue Marble
(5,046 posts)is an entre to fame? These are women and men who have held their painful secrets for years and
now feel some sense of liberation to finally be able to share their story without fear of derision, rejection
or punishment.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)to be honest? I don't.
Big Blue Marble
(5,046 posts)Of course, occasionally, false accusations occur. But I am confident that the problem of
hidden abuse that goes unpunished is the tsunami of oppression that exists in the underbelly
of our society.
Every woman I know has at least one story of rape or sexual abuse. Many have many. And
none have not come forward to accuse the perpetrator. They lived in silence with the injury
as they felt there was no alternative.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)They see these abuses being taken seriously for a change and see people coming forward and being taken seriously and feel safe to tell their own stories.
If you think everythings real right up until the one that pushes you out of your comfort level becuse its about someone you like then you are just creating a conspiracy theory to evade dealing with a potential reality you dont like.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)But when life throws it back in your face, sometimes you cannot suppress it anymore. One of my parents still talks about things/wrongs that a sibling said/did 60 years ago. My other parent does not care what a sibling said last month. Who is to say which is healthier.
cally
(21,591 posts)We know that the Rolling Stone article ended much of the media reports of college sexual assaults. The assaults continued, colleges continued to not believe women, and many got off while women were blamed but the media quit reporting it. I suspect we will see a similar attempt. Some will accuse blameless men and when it is proven false then the right will use it to "prove" that all accusers lie. I think we have to figure out a way to fight this strategy used before.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)we will be dealing with the "well, you know, there was that one time where a woman just lied to implicate a man..."
And we will ignore the fact that women and girls are sometimes bullied by this culture into recanting true sexual assault accusations.
https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story