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Towlie

(5,318 posts)
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:52 PM Nov 2017

Is it possible that some of these accusations are fabricated to help camouflage the legitimate ones?

I don't want to hint that any specific person is actually innocent, but it seems these accusations are accelerating to warp nine!

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Is it possible that some of these accusations are fabricated to help camouflage the legitimate ones? (Original Post) Towlie Nov 2017 OP
George Takei for one. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #1
Hmm... I guess my "warp nine" reference was too subtle. Towlie Nov 2017 #12
Or I was too dense. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #13
I heard the Stern tape. Admission to "rough wooing".. moriah Nov 2017 #23
Maybe Lunabell Nov 2017 #2
Me too. I was age eight or nine when my jrthin Nov 2017 #4
WTF, sorry about that ... my daughter is that age ... I'd want to whoop his ass uponit7771 Nov 2017 #14
The only suggestion I've seen of anything like that is that fake Trump sex tapes are circulating wishstar Nov 2017 #3
I am becoming convinced that nearly every woman on the planet has at least one abuse story to tell. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #5
If you include third world countries, India, and The Middle East angstlessk Nov 2017 #7
I would say that every person on the planet has at least one abuse story to tell Not Ruth Nov 2017 #8
No, I think the flood has caused some people who were NOT abused angstlessk Nov 2017 #6
Do you seriously think that coming forward to report sex crimes and abuse Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #11
Thank you. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #18
Do you believe every person who has ever claimed sexual abuse angstlessk Nov 2017 #20
Your counter argument amounts to a straw man defense. Big Blue Marble Nov 2017 #21
That would indicate a lack of trust of women's motives, but not those of men. ehrnst Nov 2017 #17
Were those Mozart minuets? MineralMan Nov 2017 #22
I think its far more likely that more people feel empowered to speak publicly about it now Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #9
I think that some people suppress bad memories and try to replace them with better ones Not Ruth Nov 2017 #10
I keep wondering how the backlash will occur cally Nov 2017 #15
As long as women who dare to be angry are viewed as "unstable" and "vengeful" ehrnst Nov 2017 #19
Absolutely, the RW thrives on constant diversions and misdirections Rhiannon12866 Nov 2017 #16

moriah

(8,311 posts)
23. I heard the Stern tape. Admission to "rough wooing"..
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 04:37 PM
Nov 2017

... essentially that yes, in his attempts to persuade someone he didn't feel he had power over in the career or legally defined as bad sense, he'd touched junk without being invited and sometimes even if they seemed reluctant. But that he'd always taken a persistent emphatic no for an answer.

I'm not really sure if it isn't entirely possible that neither George or the model are deliberately lying.

The accuser doesn't describe a typical "drugging" or the type of drinks -- it's possible they were gigantic Long Islands poured liberally. Cosby victims pretty much exclusively described something lasting a very long time, and most things available back then were long-acting. He was able to drive within a few hours, if probably still legally intoxicated.

I've been in a blackout once. I "came to myself" trying to get a guy who'd convinced me to go back to a secluded area with him to leave me alone (said my age and he dropped me like a hot potato), but the urgent biological need that was probably how he got me back there was needing to find a restroom. Was the first time I'd ever drank, I drank too much too fast. It cleared up fairly quickly because I didn't drink more and my body got rid of it. And it scared the bejezus out of me, so I've never had lost time drinking or drank that fast since.

It's certainly much more likely that a person would remember a celebrity like George than that he would remember every person who might have been in his apartment at one time or another, especially if they never slept together/were closer than club friends. If it comes out that there's no way he could have forgotten, like we see credits from them working together closely where he'd have remembered a name, I'll be very sad. But people weren't keeping paranoid track of every sexual partner in 1981 to make sure they knew who to call if they got bad news. That was before it was known there was such thing as a fatal untreatable STD floating around, let alone how people were getting it, and gay or straight casual sex wasn't the big deal it became later.

If the model was blacked out... it's a sucky situation. It's the risk you take when you make a move on someone drinking, that they might be walking around talking and not recording memory. It could be that George and the accuser are both telling their side of the truth.

I still think the right thing to do when someone says they're feeling ill from something they've consumed is to take sex off the agenda and take care of the person. But if he was blacked out, he might have said he was feeling better.

jrthin

(4,833 posts)
4. Me too. I was age eight or nine when my
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:01 PM
Nov 2017

uncle pulled out his penis and told me to touch it. I ran and told my mother.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
3. The only suggestion I've seen of anything like that is that fake Trump sex tapes are circulating
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:00 PM
Nov 2017

to try and muddy waters to discredit real Trump tapes that exist.

But so far none of all these molestation accusers have been discredited and very few denials by those who have been accused of inappropriate behavior

Big Blue Marble

(5,046 posts)
5. I am becoming convinced that nearly every woman on the planet has at least one abuse story to tell.
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:02 PM
Nov 2017

All of them true. I have many myself.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
8. I would say that every person on the planet has at least one abuse story to tell
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:31 PM
Nov 2017

We will come to learn that it is universal and not limited to any demographic. It will bind us.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
6. No, I think the flood has caused some people who were NOT abused
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:21 PM
Nov 2017

but had consensual sex to claim it for their 15 minuets of fame...

Others were really hurt...I for one, So I would not easily say some or most were innocent.

Big Blue Marble

(5,046 posts)
11. Do you seriously think that coming forward to report sex crimes and abuse
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:59 PM
Nov 2017

is an entre to fame? These are women and men who have held their painful secrets for years and
now feel some sense of liberation to finally be able to share their story without fear of derision, rejection
or punishment.

Big Blue Marble

(5,046 posts)
21. Your counter argument amounts to a straw man defense.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 03:23 PM
Nov 2017

Of course, occasionally, false accusations occur. But I am confident that the problem of
hidden abuse that goes unpunished is the tsunami of oppression that exists in the underbelly
of our society.

Every woman I know has at least one story of rape or sexual abuse. Many have many. And
none have not come forward to accuse the perpetrator. They lived in silence with the injury
as they felt there was no alternative.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
9. I think its far more likely that more people feel empowered to speak publicly about it now
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:51 PM
Nov 2017

They see these abuses being taken seriously for a change and see people coming forward and being taken seriously and feel safe to tell their own stories.

If you think everything’s real right up until the one that pushes you out of your comfort level becuse it’s about someone you like then you are just creating a conspiracy theory to evade dealing with a potential reality you don’t like.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
10. I think that some people suppress bad memories and try to replace them with better ones
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:57 PM
Nov 2017

But when life throws it back in your face, sometimes you cannot suppress it anymore. One of my parents still talks about things/wrongs that a sibling said/did 60 years ago. My other parent does not care what a sibling said last month. Who is to say which is healthier.

cally

(21,591 posts)
15. I keep wondering how the backlash will occur
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 08:01 PM
Nov 2017

We know that the Rolling Stone article ended much of the media reports of college sexual assaults. The assaults continued, colleges continued to not believe women, and many got off while women were blamed but the media quit reporting it. I suspect we will see a similar attempt. Some will accuse blameless men and when it is proven false then the right will use it to "prove" that all accusers lie. I think we have to figure out a way to fight this strategy used before.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. As long as women who dare to be angry are viewed as "unstable" and "vengeful"
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 02:34 PM
Nov 2017

we will be dealing with the "well, you know, there was that one time where a woman just lied to implicate a man..."

And we will ignore the fact that women and girls are sometimes bullied by this culture into recanting true sexual assault accusations.

https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story

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