So, does anyone give a big brown rat's ass about the truth anymore? Why are half the talking

[Atticus]

heads saying the photo Tweedy published "shows" or "appears to show" Franken groping her breasts?

There is no such photo. Period. Full stop.

Is this simply journalistic malpractice or just another aspect of the coup?

[NRaleighLiberal]

1. The truth went to critical in the Bush years. It passed away with dump's election.

[Dawson Leery]

2. +1,000,000

[Ms. Toad]

3. Perhaps because that is what the photo shows?

A photo of a grinning Franken with his hands on or hovering over her breasts.

Not sure what your point is.

[Atticus]

5. And, you see no difference between "on" or "hovering over"? Nt

[Ms. Toad]

7. While there is a difference, it is not clear which is happening,

Which is why shows, or appears to show is an accurate description.

[Atticus]

10. Don't t think there's much more to say to you, except I guess you have your reasons for suggesting

that we not believe our "lyin' eyes". I just have no interest in trying to reason with someone so impaired.

[OhioBlue]

6. hovering your hands over a flack jacket is no where near groping.

[Ms. Toad]

8. The photo is not clear enough to know whether it is hovering or landing

and the nature of the garment the woman chooses to wear does not change the man's actions.

[BannonsLiver]

11. The photo is not clear enough

I’d encourage you to get an eye exam.

[Phoenix61]

13. +1 nt

[Ms. Toad]

15. My eyes are just fine.

The photo is not clear about whether there is contact or not. I do extensive photo editing - including restoration of older photos, rebuilding faces damaged by trauma, and minimizing the effect of bad flash photography.

Here, the hand is not resting on her breast, which you can determine from the angle of his arm and the depth of the shadow. However, there is no visible gap between fingertips and her chest (especially the left fingertips), and the flash shadow tapers to the fingertips on both hands, which are either on her chest or very near it.

[BannonsLiver]

16. Doesnt matter to me at all.

While I accept the fact this photo is real, I don’t believe anything else about her story. Not a word. Your ability to edit photos and analyze them forensically is of no consequence to me.

[OhioBlue]

14. zoom in. the shadows under the fingers indicate

space between the flack jacket and his hands. And it isn't about the garment... but it is quite a stretch to say that someone was groped through a vest made to stop shrapnel. It was a stupid pose for the camera and bad judgement but based on this pic it was not any type of sexual assault.

I've been the victim of different levels of groping and more seriously sexual molestation. All separate instances. They were all wrong, but there are different levels of wrong. I would never equate the classmate that grabbed by ass in HS to the 2 men that molested me as a child.

Honestly, this feels like we are throwing Franken under the bus to prove how righteous we are in a complete false equivalency.

[Ms. Toad]

17. I'm not equating the allegations against Franken to any other allegations.

I'm disputing the false assertion that, "the photo Tweedy published {does not} "shows" or "appears to show" Franken groping her breasts."

It does. It makes no difference how thick the garment is, if he's got his hands on the clothing covering her breast without her consent, it is sexual assault. Period.

That doesn't mean he has to resign, submit to a public flogging, or that it was equivalent to the allegations against Moore.

But to deny that the photo appears to show him groping her, to post near-naked pictures of the accuser as at least 2 posters on DU have done here - asserting, in essence, that someone like her couldn't be assaulted/isn't to be beliefed, is hypocrytical and misogyinstic.

Franken has responded, very appropriately. Everyone attacking the victim - and pretending the photo doesn't show what it shows - needs to take their lead from him. Just because he is extremely good on a lot of issues doesn't mean he doesn't also have a few flaws.

[OhioBlue]

4. Thank you! this is so infuriating!

Headlines are saying that Franken allegedly groped a woman when the photo clearly shows no such thing!

[SunSeeker]

9. K & R

[VOX]

12. Sloppy reporting, or ginned-up reporting.

Either way, it stinks.