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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm a guy, but may I make a suggestion for curtailing sexual harassment by powerful men?
Elect more women. Appoint more women. Promote more women. And hire more women at the highest levels of our businesses, organizations, charities, etc.
And I know that there are plenty of examples of stories going the other way, but the numbers clearly speak for themselves.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)It seems like the degradation of our culture lately has been led by men. Seems like somebody else should get a turn and try to fix it.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)Actress Gina Davis has been working for over 10 years to get females into half of all jobs (I wrote "positions" and thought better of it) in the entertainment industry but nothing has changed after all that time. Until men are forced to do it it will not happen. Why should the men voluntarily give up money and power now, they have had it for thousands of years in most cultures and societies. They love violence, war, killing, destruction, death, etc. Women would take all of this away from them so of course it will never happen.
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)you think???
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I'm tired of all the boys around here (boys aged 12-75+) roaring around in vehicles rigged to make extremely loud fart noises.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)the average maturity level of the male gender. They love everything either too big and loud and expensive or too tiny to manage and function properly. Even saltpeter in the global water supply would not help with that (I jest...I know saltwater doesn't really work unfortunaltely).
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)instead of a massive group called "men". It's not as if there is a big man meeting and they decide to not hire women.
The better question is "why should anyone voluntarily give up money and power now.....". Because it's individuals that make those decisions, not hive mind.
In general, people who seek money and power, are not the same people who voluntarily give it up.
clearly - there are no answers here in this post. But I'm just suggesting an alternative way to view the problem.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)due to testosterone and they are physically stronger and that is how they have been able to get and keep their power and money for thousands of years.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Easier said than done...a lot of time..men have their own networks built, and won't necessarily include you if you are female..a lot of time these networks get built by attending golf outings, social bar setting etc...
I was subjected to lots of locker room talk, once on a project biz trip, I was invited to join them for dinner...only to find out, the venue was a strip club...
haele
(12,646 posts)Apparently "the bosses" and "the established customers" assumed it would be okay to include me in "the tradition" as I was obviously a lesbian because I was working as their senior engineer and didn't seem to have a social life. So I would probably appreciate going to Cheetahs for lunch???
Sure, they had a good menu, the tables were huge, and it was relatively clean and somewhat less chaotic venue compared to others I'd been to (even though it was filled with bass-heavy music and smokers).
After 12 years of active duty at the time, I don't embarrass easily - especially since other than the ambiance, I was treated as a respected expert and participant in those lunches - "One of the Guys".
Since my reports and presentations were being listened to and implemented later, and I got several bonuses for my serious input in those meetings, I put up with what I saw as immature guys playing at being powerful men and tuned everything but the topic on hand out as background noise. Back in those days, there was little else one could do when customer socialization/professional lunches like that were part of the job, after all.
But I wasn't the only one who found it a off-putting; the ultra-religious new hire who was so overwhelmed he threatened to sue both the customer and the boss for creating an exclusionary workplace and impacting his ability to work due to those immoral lunches he couldn't attend because of his religion.
This was the way it had been done. And unless you were in charge, there was not much you could do about changing the work environment unless you wanted to exit "the team".
Haele
HipChick
(25,485 posts)and not religious...
Iggo
(47,547 posts)Do it.
Teach it.
Live it.
Um, ok.
Iggo
(47,547 posts)Okay?