Breaking: Franken pic metadata proves Tweeden is LYING

[goodboy]

Here's what we know/can prove without a doubt.
1. Mrs. Tweeden submitted this file to her station and had it inserted into her article accusing Mr. Franken.

2. Her allegation about the photo is that it was taken without her knowledge on Christmas Eve 2006 during a 36 hour flight home at the end of the tour is fucking FALSE

The photo has metadata stating it was a .jpg created with a Nikon D2H camera (the kind used by Combat Camera, USO photogs). The jpg was created on 12/21/06 at 17:19 PM (Assuming PST).

#FindThePhotographer

[link:https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607993492592656|

Also the soldier who claims to have been Frankens security escort the entire time, and even in the bathroom says she’s lying!
https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607813639277308

Edit: here she is pushing him away in disgust SMH

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[riverwalker]

1. The other metadata

From photo says it was photoshopped on the same day he finally won 2009 contested election.
Why would would someone view and store away a photo from 2006 on 2009 to bring it out 2017.
In other words, it was sat on for the opportune time to bring it out. I’ll try to find the link to guy who researched it.

[goodboy]

11. Its in the Links in my post. (Nt)

[RandySF]

2. Didnt Franken admit that it happened?

[tonedevil]

5. You can give it a read...

"The first thing I want to do is apologize: to Leeann, to everyone else who was part of that tour, to everyone who has worked for me, to everyone I represent, and to everyone who counts on me to be an ally and supporter and champion of women. There's more I want to say, but the first and most important thing—and if it's the only thing you care to hear, that's fine—is: I'm sorry.
"I respect women. I don't respect men who don't. And the fact that my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed.
"But I want to say something else, too. Over the last few months, all of us—including and especially men who respect women—have been forced to take a good, hard look at our own actions and think (perhaps, shamefully, for the first time) about how those actions have affected women.
"For instance, that picture. I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate. It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what's more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it—women who have had similar experiences in their own lives, women who fear having those experiences, women who look up to me, women who have counted on me.
"Coming from the world of comedy, I've told and written a lot of jokes that I once thought were funny but later came to realize were just plain offensive. But the intentions behind my actions aren't the point at all. It's the impact these jokes had on others that matters. And I'm sorry it's taken me so long to come to terms with that.
"While I don't remember the rehearsal for the skit as Leeann does, I understand why we need to listen to and believe women's experiences.
"I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.
"And the truth is, what people think of me in light of this is far less important than what people think of women who continue to come forward to tell their stories. They deserve to be heard, and believed. And they deserve to know that I am their ally and supporter. I have let them down and am committed to making it up to them."

I think it really matters what you think "it" was.

[Canoe52]

32. That statement is what separates us from them, willing to admit our mistakes, apologize, and grow

from them, rather than deny deny, deflect, deflect, blame blame.

[Honeycombe8]

46. He did say that he doesn't remember things like the kiss the same that she does.

But I believe he apologized for it nonetheless. I'd have to look that up.

[sarah FAILIN]

59. This is how I saw it too

His perception of the situation was different from her perception of the situation according to what she is now saying and for the actions due to confusion he was apologizing.

[maddiemom]

70. Look at how their faces are turned as well.

Obviously his tongue could be nowhere near her throat. Oh...but this wasn't the rehearsal, right?

[Alice11111]

129. Yep. It is a fake kiss. Maybe because she complained

to him before. However, the skit clearly called for a huge smashing kiss, from this photo.

The photo of her sleeping was of more concern.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

151. Somewhere I read Ms. Tweeden accepted Franken's apology... do I have that right?

That is also a factor to consider.

[Honeycombe8]

153. Why is that a factor?

There are families of murder victims who say they forgive the murdered. That's irrelevant to the crime, though.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

157. That's quite a leap there... but, in any case, an apology may be...

"irrelevant to the crime," as you say, but IS relevant to the PUNISHMENT.

Perhaps you are unaware that even in criminal murder cases - and most certainly in lesser civil actions - a person's contrition IS indeed a factor in meting
out punishment. That's all I was trying to say... sorry if I offended your sensibilities.

[Honeycombe8]

167. Your post said Tweeden accepting it was relevant. Not the apology itself.

Franken issued a written apology. That's a fact...and in a criminal case, remorse is taken into account during the sentencing phase.

But Tweeden ACCEPTING it is totally irrelevant.

But of course, there's no crime here.

[Hulk]

162. Hell....she accepted it again, openly, on the View...

...as well as numerous other times she was interviewed.

This is just another sean vannity strawman they pull out for their feigned outrage. I'm so sick of this shit already.

What about dRumpf's SIXTEEN ACCUSERS??

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

164. Yes, good question!!!

[rocktivity]

84. Everybody calm the fuck down -- Franken has got this.

He's apologizing for POSING for the groping pic, acting inappropriately in the name of professional comedy (NOT male privilege), and making Tweeden feel violated. And he's calling for an investigation for the same reason why Tweeden accepted his apology so quickly: they both know that an investigation will go nowhere -- except to Rethuglicans who should be investigated for doing a lot worse.

He's playing Prez Duh Donald AND the media like a grand piano.


rocktivity

[brewens]

88. I'm wondering if the apology may be kind of an attempt to temporarily appease her and her alt-right

handlers. Then volunteering to take part in the ethics investigation hoping they take the cheese. He knows it's all bullshit and can blow it up. Just getting some time to get it all set up.

Hannity should have never have made that claim that she had shown that to him back before Al was elected Senator. That stunk to high heaven.

[Alice11111]

131. Is she alt right??? Is she showed it to Hannity, I'm suspicious.

[azureblue]

140. she got a fat contract from Sinclair Broadcasting

A nice multi year contract at that, right after Roger broke the story.. IOW, she got paid to do this.

[Alice11111]

141. Not coincidence. Thx for info.

[Rollo]

169. Quid pro quo

What they keep on saying Hillary got for the uranium deal but can never prove, because there is zero evidence.

[azureblue]

139. or maybe she and Roger Stone suddenly realized

that an investigation will come back to bite them, and risk exposing the people behind their little game, like Sinclair Broadcasting, etc. My bet is on the righties suddenly wanting to accept his apology and sweep this under the rug. You know if there is an investigation, there will most certainly be an authentication of the two photos, which will involve talking to the photographer and anyone who was present when this happened. Thus making miss Leeann and her handlers look like fools.

[Heather MC]

73. He said he remembers the kiss differently

[LiberalLovinLug]

121. Yes, because we must admit to things how THEY (pretend) to see it as

..and not how it really happened, to cover all the bases. Just to please....who? They certainly have no issues with even serious sexual assaults by their own reps. Its to play the perfect PC game, and it is pointless. I understand that optically he felt he had to be contrite. But IMO other Democrats should have stood up and and said the whole thing was ridiculous and a distraction from the actual crimes of the Republicans.

[Alice11111]

130. We are bad at letting them get by w false equivalences.

We are so anxious to take responsibility, while they will fight to the death denying, no matter how preposterous.

[Wellstone ruled]

3. Gee whiz,

Roger Stone,Rupert Murdoch,and other Tricker's so busted if this is true.

Oh BTW,Dipstick Donnie in this group? Oh my oh my. Got to watch out for those hidden date stamps when photo shopping. Ah Gee!

[certainot]

64. it doesn't matter to them. dems let them have 1500 radio stations w/out protest

or challenge of any kind so they have no need to include facts or context

[Wellstone ruled]

120. Not worried about the AM Hate Radio

any more. The Audience demographic is 60+ and White. Law of diminishing returns. Sat Radio as well as more selective Audio Entertainment is where it is at. Notice how Heartland Radio is about to file Bankruptcy . The real stink pot is this,the new media is the Streaming Video and that is where it is wide open to unscrupulous programing. With each day,we see reports of Russian Bots activating which were planted over a two or three year time frame.

[certainot]

170. thats why we have trump

biggest political mistake in history

[Nevernose]

4. Bulkshit on Facebook or Twitter?

Totally meaningless. Let’s ask the “Russians for Trump” people about the veracity of shit on Twitter.

By the way: we know she’s lying because we can look at the picture. She said she was groped without her knowledge and that this photo demonstrated that. He’s not touching her. What she said is demonstrably untrue.

Tasteless and objectifying, but nowhere near “assault” of any kind. For instance, I am currently pretending to grope Al Franken’s junk. Right now. As you’re reading this. Insulting and gross, but not assault.

[pangaia]

54. I don't believe you are pretending to grope Al's junk right now.

PICS?

LINK?

I didn't think so.






At least I hope your yur you're not..

[BigmanPigman]

6. Probably this is one reason Franken wants an investigation.

He isn't a Fucking Moron and knows that there is a chance of foul play to discredit him, the Dems, and distract from Moore, Russia and the GOP Tax Scam.

[The Blue Flower]

10. It will also create pressure to investigate drumpf

the floodgates are open, and he's doing the right thing to facilitate justice.

[maddiemom]

18. Does Al's destroying Jeff Sessions have anything to do with this?

[zentrum]

22. Yes. Period.

[LenaBaby61]

38. "Yes. Period."

+1,000

[yardwork]

39. Yep.

[NastyRiffraff]

47. Oh yes indeed.

[goodboy]

50. Absofuckinglutely (Nt)

[certainot]

65. also because he wrote a book making fun of limbaugh and other rw media gods

and he uses SARCASM to attack them.....

[paleotn]

67. You better believe it does....

That's how Washington has worked since it had dirt streets.

[Alice11111]

134. When we get Congress, we can investigate DT. We need

one more victim to come forward. I bet his victims are scared of his vindictiveness though.

[goodboy]

12. Its brilliant -Tweeden, Stone, hannity

They’ll all have to testify under oath.


Also his escort corroborates the story

[trof]

13. Precisely!

[alfredo]

21. Thats called getting ahead of the story.

[bhusar]

7. The question remains....

.....why doesn't she want an investigation? She accepted his apology and said no need for a hearing. Everyone should ask that question. She would have to testify under oath, and so would anyone else.

[yardwork]

40. Has she said that she doesn't want an investigation?

Long day. I'm catching up.

[bhusar]

63. In her response she did

[womanofthehills]

154. Probably because more pics will come out like this one

Link to tweet

[former9thward]

8. So Franken is apologizing for a picture that never happened.

OK....

[goodboy]

14. No. Read carefully what he said.

Tweeden claimed the picture was taken while she was asleep on dec24 at night.

That is 100% false

Frankens security escort said he was there it was a room full of people fucking around, and laughing,

It was staged.

[alfredo]

23. That could be chalked up to faulty memory on her part.

[yardwork]

42. I don't think so. She says she's had the photo all along.

[Marengo]

71. Since we are parsing statements, does anyone else find it a bit odd that the alleged security escort

Describes the interior of the aicraft as a room? He also claims to to have accompanied him the entire time on the base, but did not specifically mention the aircraft.

[trc]

78. The escort was talking about the forced kiss Tweeden claimed took place during a rehearsal,

the photo was aboard a plane and the escort was not around for that. The pic clearly does not show any "groping," or even touching, so that claim, using the photo as evidence, is false on its face.

[Marengo]

86. In that context, the statement makes sense. It seems others on DU were suggesting the comments

Were related to the photo. At any rate, has the authenticity of alleged security escort account been verified?

[trc]

87. I do not believe the "escort" has been identified...or proven to exist beyond some twitter posts.

However, that is why Franken wants an investigation, this info is all readily available once the proper leverage can be applied.

[liberal_patriot_md]

143. That sounds like a job for a journalist.

If they have any intentions of doing their job.

[7962]

96. If it was staged, Franken would have said just that. He didn't. Because it wasn't.

She's accepted his apology. She said its ridiculous for him to consider resigning.
Its done and over.

[brush]

29. What are you talking about? He apologized for participating in a gag photo of poor taste.

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He didn't touch her as you will see if you look closely at the cast shadows of his hands.

He isn't touching her and for her to submit the photo as evidence of him groping her is false.

As progressives we have to do some critical thinking and not fall for whatever the right wing offers up — Roger Stone and Hannity are involved, for God's sake.

As for the timing of the this, what with the Moore situation, it could easily be a distraction attempting to say, "see, Democrats do it too".

[Kingofalldems]

34. Exactly.

[LiberalFighter]

60. What is interesting is that she had a photo of it too.

So they gave her a copy.

[dae]

104. Exactly

[Alice11111]

142. But we took ours right down...Weinstein, Spacey

[Honeycombe8]

155. He's apologizing for an uncouth, disrespectful punk pic...but not groping.

He does not say he groped her, and you can see in the pic that he's not touching her. It's a gag.

He did not specifically apologize for the kiss. He has said he remembers that differently. That's a nice way of saying it's not true, but he doesn't want to accuse her of lying or "misremembering."

[womanofthehills]

159. the picture might have happened but sounds like it was doctored to make it look even worse

Lots of weird light and dark stuff in the photo - definitely retouched.

Link to tweet

[ClarendonDem]

9. I thought the more damaging allegation

Was the forced kiss, but haven't followed the issue closely today. Is the picture the only accusation now?

[goodboy]

15. Yeah and if shes willing to lie about the pic

Then could her story which Franken says he he’s differently also be fabricated?

After all, his escort says the picture happened in a room full of people and not on a plane on dec 24

More will be revealed

[Kingofalldems]

16. I do believe she said this was a groping and it certainly isn't

as he is not touching her.

[Kingofalldems]

35. Awww---I get it.

Yes I do.

[moriah]

17. This is the last time I'm going to say it.

If it's been less than 72 hours since a news story broke, or is still active with things being questioned and "real news" not having time to do fact-checking....

Social media reposts of social media posts from people who have websites registered out of China when claiming to be in Wisconsin, or from soldiers who admit they were potentially flying the plane, not watching the photo....

Link to tweet

Are. Not. News.

Sometimes Newsweek isn't news.

Please, I know Trump has denigrated mainstream media, but that doesn't mean we need to think it sucks too.

[Calista241]

19. The metadata means jack shit.

Cameras often have the time / date wrong, and there's nothing that would prevent the camera from operating with an incorrect time / date. Time and date are usually set up once when the camera is taken out of the box. That model camera was only manufactured from 2003 to 2005.

Now if they were submitting this photo as evidence in a criminal case, there'd be some issues with authenticity; but the photo was clearly taken on a C17 plane, it's clearly Franken and Tweeden in the photo, and the military certainly has records of when Franken and Tweeden flew home.

And who the fuck is that guy, @thetabbasco? Because a random dude on the internet says something doesn't make it true. If he's really the photographer, he'll have no problem producing additional pictures of the flight / Franken / Tweeden and whatever the fuck else happened on that USO trip.

[NewsCenter28]

25. Whats your game here?

You seem disappointed and outraged, based on your foul and offensive language, that Franken might be innocent. Also I remember your pro-Trump and Hillary is doomed posts VIVIDLY during the campaign last year☹️

[Calista241]

26. I didn't post pro trump jack shit.

Like everyone else here and around the country, I thought Trump was the weakest Repub candidate and had no chance in hell of beating Clinton. The most dangerous candidate they had (to a Clinton Presidency), IMO, was Rubio.

And Franken is clearly not innocent. He apologized profusely and has called for an investigation into his actions. We sound like fucking Republicans with outright refusal to believe our idolized political leaders could not possibly be guilty because they think like we do.

[NewsCenter28]

30. Ok I trust ya

Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else. The person I’m thinking of was in a lot of poll threads that were good for Trump last year saying that the sky was falling. Now, it was, but the poll averages didn’t show that at the time.

Anyway, all good, and for the record, I always thought Franken was a bit of a creep and I’m not interested in him being innocent since we retain the senate seat of his anyway.

[brush]

51. Do some critical thinking. Her claim that he groped her in the photo is false. He is not touching...

her in the photo. Look at the cast shadows of his hands. He is not touching her, so for her to lie about the photo, think critically about what else may not be true.

[7962]

98. Most of us felt the same way. Except I thought Kasich was the most formidable.

And you're also right; Franken has apologized and she has accepted it. And she also has said theres no reason for any resignation talk. Its done and over with.
Unless people want to start conspiracies over it. Which these days happens often!

[Achilleaze]

27. + 1

[LakeArenal]

31. Hmmmm very interesting.

I will watch more closely.

[womanofthehills]

160. A professional photographer would have to have the metadata right

[Initech]

20. Wouldn't the military also have logs of who was in the plane and where it was going?

[goodboy]

41. Why Franken called for the investigation

All this shit will be coming out.

[Initech]

52. I think Franken wants to call out Steve Bannon for this.

It seems like it was extensively coordinated by a number on the right. If so I say set the trap!

[Chakaconcarne]

24. I want to believe this

but Facebook as the source? not nearly credible.

[MFM008]

28. I knew I smelled

A Hannity. Bannon. Stone.. fat drunk right wing rat.

[Stonepounder]

33. Also, please note...

Not ONE SINGLE new allegation has come to light. Not ONE OTHER woman has come forward to say that Franken did something untoward to them.

[goodboy]

45. Nope. Some idiots are posting a pic

Of him and joy behar, in which he’s got his hand over her breast jokingly they’re both laughing and she did not accuse him of anything inappropriate.

He is a fucking comedian after all.

[keithbvadu2]

36. Wasn't there a topic here earlier about her posing for playboy and some images?

Wasn't there a topic here earlier about her posing for playboy and some images?

[Iggo]

74. That doesn't have anything to do with anything.

It has absolutely no bearing on this story whatsoever.

[keithbvadu2]

77. How do you know?

[Iggo]

80. Please explain to me how her posing for Playboy has anything to do with it.

[keithbvadu2]

83. "and some images" - How do you know they were not applicable to the topic?

"and some images" - How do you know they were not applicable to the topic?

[Iggo]

92. That's how I know.

Every time I ask one of you to explain how her posing nude for a men's magazine has anything to do with it, you can't. Or rather, you don't.

I'll ask you again, please explain how that has, or even might have, anything to do with whether or not she's telling the truth.

[Lee-Lee]

93. People like their slut shaming to be tacit and inferred

But don’t want to actually say what they mean.

[keithbvadu2]

97. You ignore the parts that don't support your claims.

Your partial truths do not fly.

[Iggo]

99. Again: Please explain, or at this point just hazard a guess.

How does (or might) her posing nude in the past (or even in the present) have anything to do with whether or not she's telling the truth?

[keithbvadu2]

105. i have not made that claim... you are trying to.

But you ignore the other images.

Love your bluff and bluster.

[B2G]

106. What other images? Her posing with guns?

You do know that a huge number of Democrats have guns too, right?

What exactly does that prove?

[keithbvadu2]

109. What guns? Adding more misdirection, eh?

What guns? Adding more misdirection, eh?

[B2G]

113. There were posted here yesterday

I would assume you had seen them.

Since they obviously aren't the pics you're referring to, perhaps you could enlighten us?

You've been asked repeatedly to do so, so since you won't elaborate, I'll just assume there is nothing to this.

[keithbvadu2]

115. There were some images... now you can enlighten us.

I remember seeing a discussion here with some images and now you acknowledge their existence.

I don't remember them exactly so how can I elaborate?

"Since they obviously aren't the pics you're referring to..."

Yet you falsely accused me of it.

Gotta love your bluff and bluster.

[B2G]

118. You don't 'remember them exactly',

yet you're referring to them to make some sort of point?

I'M bluffing and blustering? Alrighty then.

[Iggo]

110. Okay, you're not going to answer that question. Maybe I'm going about this in the wrong way.

Why did you bring up those pictures in a thread discussing whether or not she's telling the truth?

I assumed it was because you thought that the fact that she posed for those pictures meant that she shouldn't be believed.

If you say I'm wrong about that, then I'm wrong about that.

But then we're back to, why even bring it up?

[keithbvadu2]

117. You're wrong.

Weren't there some other applicable images?

[Iggo]

119. You tell me.

[B2G]

122. It would appear we are now done

With this topic. 😁

[Iggo]

123. I just like making circular-arguers chase their tails.

[keithbvadu2]

124. Have you caught your tails yet?

[B2G]

125. If you're referring to her Playboy pics,

Why not just say so?

Those and the ones with her shooting guns are the only ones that have been posted. I don't understand why you are being so cryptic if the pics you are talking about are so incriminating.

If that's truly the case, they merit an OP or at minimum s post here.

[keithbvadu2]

126. You folks keep bringing up guns. What guns?

[B2G]

127. Look.

YOU keep bringing up images that have supposedly been posted yet you refuse to even describe them. When asked what they depict, you say you can't 'exactly remember' them. So we are left to guess WTF you are even talking about.

I'm done with you.

[keithbvadu2]

136. So long... Run away b2g.... run away

[Iggo]

133. I wasn't chasing anything except an answer to why you brought up those pics.

I sat still while you ran in circles trying to avoid the question that was still there every time you ran by.

It's still there right now.

Why did you bring up those pictures?

[keithbvadu2]

138. I was interested to see if anyone had them.

So funny watching you all run in circles when my original post did not specify positive or negative.

They must be applicable if you so vehemently speak out about them.

[orleans]

112. why do you always repeat your title line in your post?

why do you always repeat your title line in your post?

[BlueIdaho]

90. I wholeheartedly agree...

If she did indeed pose for Playboy - she has a perfect right to do so and that has nothing to do with this issue.

[fierywoman]

37. Re the metadata info that the pic was tampered with:

Somewhere else it said that everyone on the tour got a CD with all the pics --- so SOMEONE somewhere has a copy that this pic could be compared to to see if it had been photoshopped or tampered with. The other copy could also reveal the photographer/(witness) -- apparently whe it was tampered with the night Coleman conceded, the original photographer's info was deleted.

[goodboy]

43. Exactly. Thats in my link in the OP (nt)

[goodboy]

44. Try THIS shit on for size

Tell me if this makes sense.

The photo was staged.
Confirmed by his security escort.

Metadata from the photo Confirmed that it didn’t happen on dec 24 Not while she was sleeping.

Writing it how he did and calling for an immediate investigation into himself TOOK ALL THE POWER AWAY FROM THE ORCHESTRATORS OF THIS HIT JOB.

You getting it? Because Tweeden immediately accepts his apology. His letter is cheered when read live on the view which Tweeden praised saying “that’s great”

You getting it yet?

Why is she not wanting to testify under oath?

Is it because she’s a trump loving hannity regular?

Meanwhile roger stone announced this 12 hours before with the same language as he did the Podesta Wikileaks hack?

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[califootman]

48. I don't think the military escort was talking about the photo...

I don't think the military escort was talking about the photo on the airplane when he spoke of "a lot of good natured joking in a crowded room". I think he was talking about the skit rehearsal.

The military escort said he was with Franken when he was on base. When they were flying back to the States, they were not on base, they were on a military aircraft.

[Denzil_DC]

76. I don't think anybody's identified the "military escort" yet.

A claim by an anonymous Twitter poster isn't proof of anything unless substantiated.

[lostnfound]

61. Franken is really smart. Nt

[goodboy]

49. i Have the KISS pic. How do I post it? (Nt)

[MadDAsHell]

53. Id believe it, except I remember this exact defense of Weiners twitter pics.

The argument was just as convincing by whatever DUer that was, yet just days later Weiner himself admitted they were 100% his photos.

So either meta-data is not terribly reliable, or that DUer was lying.

[goodboy]

55. Nobody is saying Franken isnt in the photo

The date and time of the photo combined with everything else we know now proves this is a hit job. Period.

[Homeoutside]

57. Regardless...

All i know is that if that photo is proof of sexual assault, then me and every one of my girlfriends are in deep shit. In our 40's and 50's...we still pull "pranks" like that.

[MadDAsHell]

58. I get that. Im just saying weve got reason to be skeptical.

I’ve been a lurker/poster since late 2001, and I’d be a rich man if I had a nickel for every DU post I’ve read in the last decade and a half that started with “Here’s the PROOF!!!”, had hundreds of approving responses and likes, and then was completely disproven just days later.

Each one of those knocks our credibility down a notch. What we say on here, correct or incorrect, DOES show up in Google results.

[goodboy]

56. Here she is pushing him away in disgust (photo)

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[bagelsforbreakfast]

101. OMG! Lock him up!

[questionseverything]

107. is this the rehearsal kiss or the stage kiss?

and how do we know?

[questionseverything]

111. according to this article it is the stage kiss

https://www.mediaite.com/online/here-is-an-image-of-al-franken-kissing-leeann-tweeden-during-a-uso-show/

[MountCleaners]

62. Is it possible that...

...he was making a gesture that he was grabbing her breasts, but was further away from her, and it was Photoshopped to move his body and hands closer to her? My first impression when I saw the photo was that the image of Franken looked suspiciously clearer than the rest of the photo.

There is a thread on Twitter which says that Franken's shadow also is too dark.

[Lee-Lee]

68. So much wrong in this post I dont know where to start

Dates on intial EXIF data don’t prove anything except the date that was programmed into the cameras internal processor when a photo was taken. Citing a date discrepancy as somehow being proof “without a doubt” someone lied is a totally idiotic claim. I bet 90% of the photos I took with my digital cameras had the date/time off because I never have a damm about setting the date in the camera.

Furthermore, if you Google “EXIF data editor” you can find hundreds of programs and apps that let you change the EXIF data. I can screenshot your post and change the data right now to say this post was made a week before the allegations came to light and then use that to say it’s a conspiracy started on DU to plant this story but then attack it to discredit Tweeden based on EXIF date data on the screenshot and it would be just as idiotic a claim as your claim that the EXIF data proves she is lying.

Lastly- the claim about USAF Combat Camera. You or whoever you mindlessly copied that from has no clue who/what Combat Camera is or does, so any claims to know what kind of cameras they use have no legitimacy. Combat Camera teams photograph combat operations. They don’t photograph USO tours. Public Affairs units do photography at things like USO tours. If you tell a Combat Camera team they photograph things like USO tours they actually get downright offended and angry because people often don’t understand the difference and they see themselves as much more “elite” than Public Affairs. Anyone who supposedly knows enough to say what kind of camera they use wouldn’t make that mistake, so there is zero credibility left on that claim.

[oberliner]

69. Thanks for sharing this

Amazing the lengths people will go to.

[Denzil_DC]

75. If a camera's taken across time zones,

isn't there scope for confusion and operator error in programming/updating the time anyway (particularly if it's not critical to the camera's use - for candid pics rather than intelligence or evidence)?

[Lee-Lee]

79. Absolutely

Very few camera of that era had even an option for GPS and those that did very rarely did someone spend the money for the option because unless it was needed for the job it was a huge expense and caused batteries to drain faster.

Without a GPS a camera doesn’t know if it changed time zones or crossed the international date line. And even with one I don’t know if they adjusted them automatically.

I think a lot of people are thinking of a camera a decade ago like it is a smart phone now- and it’s far different.

[Denzil_DC]

94. Cheers.

I figured as much.

[doodsaq]

85. Nicely done. NT

[Heather MC]

72. She is a Fox News Contributor

[Alice11111]

135. Is she really??? That does it.

[riverwalker]

81. They found the USO photographers

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

82. I'm guessing you weren't here when people were claiming the metadata exonerated Anthony Weiner

[7962]

95. Ha!

[riverwalker]

89. This pic came from former Franken staffer

Andy Barr. It’s from his old blog andygoestoiraq. He was on that USO tour and on the plane. He would provide some context for the photos. Franken wearing same orange shirt, was it before or after the groping photo? He has not spoken out.

Link to tweet

[riverwalker]

91. Link to blog

http://andygoestoiraq.blogspot.com

I think he is STETcommunications now is same Andy Barr?

[bagelsforbreakfast]

102. Obviously he's assaulting her here with his mind - his gaze is bouncing into

the camera lens and reflecting back hypnotizing her into smiling. How devious! Franken knows no bounds!

[liberal_patriot_md]

148. Interesting pic

But looks like before they were in Iraq and before the rehearsal in question.

The picture at the bottom of the post is more interesting. Does she perform a stage kiss or does she turn her head as she claims in her story? If she’s performing a stage kiss - her whole claim goes out the window.

[Sunlei]

100. interesting to see timeline how RWs fox-breibart edits metadata to create smear conflated stories

even the date they started tampering the metadata and building the "story" was the exact date Franken won his election seat. So next election this is what Republican party will use to attack Franken with.

This may be the topic of Sunday morning news shows, that will be the only time fox allows their employee to take outside interviews, if they even allow her to take any outside of fox interviews. Her fox contract may not allow that.

"
Replying to @SenFranken
4. The photo here, if you check the metadata - was taken at 5:19 PM on December 21st. So - not Christmas Eve. Not at night while sleeping. Folks, grab a copy of the photo and follow along with me. metapicz.com/#icc-box But that's not all, Mr. Franken. "

"8. Well here's another odd thing about this .jpg file - It was modified the day Mr. Coleman finally conceded that you had indeed beaten him and his party for that seat. The metadata indicates that it was modified on July 1st, 2009 at 10:30 PM. "

9. So, this picture's been waiting to do what it did today the second you became a Senator. Since 2009, someone's been holding on to a picture - something they KNEW would detonate your career if it was what it LOOKED LIKE. They even ALTERED it the day you were elected. "


https://mobile.twitter.com/dertek/status/931430303675174912?p=v

[riverwalker]

103. WOW. This is the kiss routine

It’s been part of his USO act for years. She was not “blindsided by him writing it into the act”.

Link to tweet

[Denzil_DC]

108. You're assuming she was familiar with this as "part of his USO act for years".

As a USO rookie, that might not be the case.

Not that it really matters.

The more people try to "defend" this, the longer it hangs around.

Franken's dealt and is dealing with it. Chill.

[liberal_patriot_md]

149. She was not a rookie.

By 2006 it was her ninth USO tour.

The video is from a Christmas 2003 tour.

But I had a picture taken with Tweeden at a different USO tour earlier in 2003.

Her story keeps unraveling without any examination of photo metadata.

[Denzil_DC]

150. Really? I stand corrected. n/t

[blimablam]

165. there must be a large number of women who have done this skit with him then. what do they say about

rehearsals?

[Motley13]

114. He welcomes the ethics investigation 'cause it will

prove she is a liar

[Snackshack]

116. Republican...

Dirty Deeds.

[Alice11111]

137. Yep. They just want to discredit our star.

They are so evil, and they plan it.

[Snackshack]

144. Agreed.

They want to cancel out the moral advantage and equate Franken with Moore as being morally equivalent. The more information that comes out about this the more it looks like a hit job on Sen. Franken. It does highlight the Machiavellian nature of republicans. Instead of kicking Moore to the curb as they should they execute a plan like this in order to retain the seat and remain in control. Republicans have been implementing plans for decades now to get them into the position they currently are in. Total control of our government...and there is nothing they won’t overlook to remain in control so they can pass their agenda.

Pedophile Senate candidate ☑️

Lying, potentially treasonous, criminal, misogynistic President ☑️

Trump was absolutely telling the truth when he said he could shoot a person on 5th Ave of NY and not lose a vote.

[Alice11111]

146. When we take back Congress, we can investigate him.

[Snackshack]

147. Hopefully

At the very least Dems will be able to put a check on him.

[relayerbob]

128. He wants the investigation ...

to put her on the stand under oath, and also to highlight the real dirty deeds of the GOP

[SleeplessinSoCal]

132. I hope this is sent to every Democrat in DC. They need to be told and on alert. N/T

[moriah]

145. Please wait until real media has fact-checked first.

Franken hasn't denied the photo.

This person making these tweets, while I'm sure is inundated with replies, didn't answer my very polite question about why he was claiming to be in Wisconsin when his linked website is registered out of China. He could very easily explain it by it being an old link he'd let the registration expire on.... but hasn't.

There are licensed computer experts who can analyze images, and people who can contact "Andy", the author of the the blog, to find out if he was the only photographer, etc.

I'm not expert enough to do it myself, and relying on a "Twitter expert" is essentially saying someone is credible because they stayed in a Holiday Inn last night. Perhaps others in the thread have went to Leeann's blog, grabbed the photo from there, and verified his "findings".

But please don't embarrass us by sharing out unsubstantiated Twitter allegations. Unless it's to the Washington Post or some media organization to actually get experts who will put their real life, not Twitter, reputations on the line saying it's fake. That'd do Al more good anyway, known credible experts examining it.

[questionseverything]

152. i guess that is why the country as a whole ignored the theft of seiglemans election in 2002

the media would not report it

the dem gov went to bed after it was announced he had won...woke up to find the results changed

and then of course bush/rove prosecuted him

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029860272

[SleeplessinSoCal]

168. Thus far we know that the gal is a regular guest on Hannity.

We know that it was a gag photo. We know he was in Afghanistan performing for the USO. And that no complaints were aired until Steve Bannon's boy in Alabama was in deep trouble. That would be a huge setback for his revolution.

I think there will be more witnesses. Meanwhile, he manned up. No other as done so as well.

[tnbadger]

156. check out earlier uso picture also

we need to wait until the ethics investigation is complete.... i am a fan of AF and am not convinced that leeann made her claims at the behest of fox/hannity. i have watched the uso shows, starting with bob hope years ago and they are noted for being somewhat randy/raunchy with the troops loving every minute because the comedy and raunchy antics let them temporarily remember sex and laughs while forgetting about the possibility of imminent death. the women on the uso tours have always seemed to go along with comedians. i'm not saying she was asking for it because of her occupation as bunny but it is hard for me to imagine that she was so disgusted with AF in 2006 with a simple kiss but had no problem playing along with robin williams (Approx 1:20, uso with robin williams, bagram air base, 2005 {

}. it is the only video i have had time to watch but shows her jumping onto Robin with legs around his waist... then after a comedic pause, he steps away and does a pelvic thrust that gets the troops laughing.... and i am sure there are a ton more clips out there to show simulation of sexual acts that would have been far worse than that displayed by AF....

[riverwalker]

158. Think she had the hots for Robin Williams

Link to tweet

[LisaL]

161. What would they go for with Robin Williams even if he wasn't dead?

He isn't the one who jumped on her.

[wallyworld2]

163. Talk about not crossing boundries

Hey gropin' @LeeannTweeden, I'm awaiting an answer to this and how the man felt when you groped him. #RogerStone

Link to tweet

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https://disqus.com/home/discussion/candl/al_franken_shouldnt_resign/#comment-3622613810

Click on the top link in the article.
She was kissing Al in that skit in 2003.
That was 3 years before she claimed to be traumatized.

Liddle Covfefe 👑 of Shade @PromoteMyCause


The Al Franken/Leann Tweeden USO Tour Skit. You decide. Does this support Leann's claim? pic.twitter.com/1c4CNR1dqf

[Agschmid]

166. The picture happened, its not an okay picture.

Regardless of the situation.