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RandySF

(58,511 posts)
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 02:23 PM Nov 2017

Mary Trump: "What kind of son have I created?"

Many of the array of psychologists, psychiatrists and family therapists I talked to for this story have a question Mary Trump actually once asked herself, at a moment when she was feeling something less than pride in her celebrity son.

This was in 1990. Donald Trump was divorcing his first wife, philandering with the model Marla Maples and floundering in hundreds of millions of dollars in debt, facing high-profile humiliation and ruin in his early 40s. Mary Trump, on the other hand, was approaching 80. Once a poor immigrant from the remote, desolate northwest corner of Scotland, and the product of the strict mores of the country’s Presbyterian Church, she had been married to the business-centric Fred Trump for more than half a century, residing with him and their five children and their live-in in a large, red-brick, white-columned house positioned regally atop a grassy hill. She had worked tirelessly, volunteering at a local hospital, staying active at schools, charities and social clubs, and steering her rose-colored Rolls-Royce to the family’s outer-borough apartment buildings to collect coins from the laundry machines. She and her husband had sent their fourth and most incorrigible child, who as a boy threw cake at kids at parties and erasers at his teachers at his private elementary school, first to Sunday morning Bible classes, like his siblings—and then, unlike his siblings, to a stringent military academy an hour and a half upstate shortly after he turned 13. Now, in the twilight of her life, beset with debilitating bone loss, she was being sucked into his tawdry, nonstop soap opera, rendered a bit player in a media frenzy, captured by paparazzi while sitting in the rear of her chauffeured car, looking steely and peeved.

That year, according to Vanity Fair, Mary Trump asked Ivana Trump, her soon-to-be-ex-daughter-in-law, a pointed question. “What kind of son have I created?”


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/03/mary-macleod-trump-donald-trump-mother-biography-mom-immigrant-scotland-215779

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Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
3. Well, yea. That is what she should have said.
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 02:33 PM
Nov 2017

But no mother ever wants to have to admit that her off spring is a deviant, misfit, screw up. I almost have to feel sorry for an old lady facing her last days and having to confront the fact that her sons (one had died an early death of alcoholism) were so maladapted to live in the world without inflicting so much suffering on others.

I suspect she did her best to help Donald be a better human being, but she was up against something a few Bible lessons and military school could not fix. A personality disorder isn’t an easy or quick fix. And probably is not possible. So while she may have tried, it was a doomed endeavor. She probably went to her grave not really understanding why and wondering if it was her fault. Sad, really.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
12. I'm sure Mom didn't even know the half of it
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 05:09 PM
Nov 2017

A lot of really bad kids make sure their parents never hear the worst stuff. When Donald went off to military school, he was on his own and he could keep Mom from finding out the worst.

I've read that Fred Trump (his dad) had almost no part in bringing up little Donnie. He did however take an interest in helping him get started in business, once his schooling was done. I don't feel sorry for these people.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
2. Our media skipped the story that Don T. had to basically go to reform school* after ....
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 02:32 PM
Nov 2017

.... trying to throw a teacher from a 2nd story window and beating a younger school mate
so badly he had to go the hospital.

But we heard all kinds of stuff about HRC's emails and how "you can't trust Hillary."

* Military School = rich kid's reform school

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
11. He has her
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 05:08 PM
Nov 2017

eyes. Where did he get the idea that he is such a great person? His father must have been some kind of asshole. Grandpa was a pimp, so we know where Donny got his disregard for women from. For such an ugly looker, he sure loves the spotlight, and any camera facing his way.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
10. drumpf has/had a mother?
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 05:08 PM
Nov 2017

I wouldn't have guessed that in a million tries. I just figured he morphed, somehow, out of a turd, since he is such a piece of shit.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
13. The first question she should have asked herself.....
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 05:18 PM
Nov 2017

'what sort of racist, mirthless, money-grubbing, uncaring, unfeeling man have I married'? Old Fred was the start of this entire greed filled, racist, immoral, apathetic family, and she should have shared some of the blame herself.

Things happen for a reason, and little Donnie wasn't born a monster, it was a learned behavior. People who spend all of their time making money have little emotion or time left for anything else. They both spoiled those kids - while neglecting them - making them feel that they were above everyone else and above the structures of society. I have no sympathy for any of them.

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