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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:55 AM Nov 2017

Trump Might Not Last Four Years. Here's Why

Full article posted with the permission of Newsweek -- Don


HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP? ONE YEAR LATER, A LOOK AT WHY HE WON'T LAST A FULL TERM

BY JULIA GLUM ON 11/19/17 AT 7:00 AM

It's only been a year since Donald Trump was elected president, but some people already want him out of the White House. The past 12 months have been long, dramatic and full of developments that critics say could lead Trump to end his term early—and they may be converging.

Trump's approval ratings have been tanking, hitting new lows seemingly every time another survey drops. As of Friday, Trump's average job approval rating was just over 38 percent, according to RealClearPolitics. His average disapproval rating was 57 percent, leaving him both underwater and making him the least popular president in modern history.

On top of that, there's an active effort to force the president out of office. Some 40 percent of voters say they want Trump to be impeached, and earlier this month, Texas Representative Al Green, a Democrat, vowed to make the House of Representatives vote on the possibility before Christmas. Just this week, five other Democrats joined him in announcing their intent to file articles of impeachment.

"We have taken this action because of great concern for our country and our Constitution, our national security and our democracy," Tennessee Representative Steve Cohen said at a Wednesday news conference. "We believe President Trump has violated the Constitution."




These efforts were piling up as Trump celebrated the anniversary of his election.

In fact, the pushback against Trump started immediately after Election Day 2016, when 62,979,879 Americans voted for the Republican candidate and left him trailing Democrat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote. Trump got 46.1 percent of the votes, while Clinton nabbed 48.2 percent—a fact Trump opponents seized upon as they organized challenges to the election results.

Nearly 5 million people signed onto a Change.org petition asking members of the Electoral College to cast their ballots for Clinton instead of Trump, who they said was "unfit to serve." Then-California Senator Barbara Boxer, a Democrat, introduced a bill to nix the Electoral College system, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein crowdfunded more than $7 million to finance recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan (one of them actually added 131 votes to Trump's lead).

Despite the resistance, Trump and his allies have already begun working toward re-election. Michael Glassner, the executive director of the campaign committee, told Politico in August his team was working to support Trump's agenda and keep the president connected with his supporters while planning for 2020.

"We are wasting no time to prepare for the future," Glassner added.

It's unclear what that future holds, but with Trump, anything can happen.

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http://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-approval-ratings-contested-election-results-714938
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Trump Might Not Last Four Years. Here's Why (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2017 OP
Will we last four years with him in the White House? greatauntoftriplets Nov 2017 #1
THAT is the question ailsagirl Nov 2017 #10
We are waiting on Mueller vlyons Nov 2017 #2
From her mouth to God's ear! n/t patricia92243 Nov 2017 #3
I signed. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #4
Gotta borrow that! lastlib Nov 2017 #9
I was hoping for a massive stroke on live TV, but I'll take what I can get Orrex Nov 2017 #5
I like MFM008 Nov 2017 #26
How do you know he hasn't already had one? Rhiannon12866 Nov 2017 #31
Is it too much to ask him to have another? For the good of the nation? Orrex Nov 2017 #32
Considering his behavior every day, I don't think anyone would notice Rhiannon12866 Nov 2017 #33
It might actually be the most presidential thing he's done. Orrex Nov 2017 #34
Impeachment forces have seized the high moral ground for the survival of the Republic bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #6
This will make for an interesting history lesson some day. Dread Pirate Roberts Nov 2017 #7
The problem is that our country did not learn from Germany's mistake and Doreen Nov 2017 #16
I want trump and his goons out of office, immediately. Paladin Nov 2017 #8
Unless Mueller et al. offer him a deal ... GeorgeGist Nov 2017 #11
Nixon resigned because he knew YessirAtsaFact Nov 2017 #13
There won't be as many MFM008 Nov 2017 #27
I read explanation of a study of factors in impeachment, Hortensis Nov 2017 #12
it should be noted that impeachment of a president has never happened with a same-party congress. unblock Nov 2017 #19
Good point. But this party may eventually find it very desirable to Hortensis Nov 2017 #21
i wouldn't rule out donnie being forced to resign, but actual impeachment seems unlikely unblock Nov 2017 #23
Yes, agree resignation is most likely. He may choose Hortensis Nov 2017 #29
I dont want him impeached !!! Cryptoad Nov 2017 #14
Resulting in Pence, just as evil but not an idiot... maybe even more dangerous keithbvadu2 Nov 2017 #15
True, but I don't know if Pence has a base like Trump does. LisaM Nov 2017 #17
Pence has something Trump doesn't have. EL34x4 Nov 2017 #18
Probably. LisaM Nov 2017 #22
I think Pence will be able to smooth over the base's hurt feelings a lot easier... EL34x4 Nov 2017 #25
I didn't think he'd last one year, but we're getting close to that mark. DavidDvorkin Nov 2017 #20
Republicans crammed us with this deplorable so their party could continue their agenda. Sunlei Nov 2017 #24
so many guns and lunatics out there tapermaker Nov 2017 #28
Trump's ego is too fragile and he will resign if he is blamed for the GOP losing the midterms Gothmog Nov 2017 #30
Not a chance. onenote Nov 2017 #35

bucolic_frolic

(43,140 posts)
6. Impeachment forces have seized the high moral ground for the survival of the Republic
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:58 AM
Nov 2017

it is only a matter of time before he is removed from office

the ground work is done, the foundation laid

wonder if the Special Prosecutor will strike one massive blow rather than from the ground up

a fish rots from the head. remove the head and the job is easy

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
7. This will make for an interesting history lesson some day.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:07 AM
Nov 2017

I guess, assuming we survive. People are going to look back and wonder how did this happen in the first place. Time to take out the trash.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
16. The problem is that our country did not learn from Germany's mistake and
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 12:18 PM
Nov 2017

we elected what they did years ago. Lets see if the world will help us like we and they helped Germany.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
8. I want trump and his goons out of office, immediately.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:23 AM
Nov 2017

It cannot happen soon enough to suit me. I am sick to death of a petulant, no-nothing, baby-man's feeble attempts at governing this country. Mr. Mueller, kindly pick up the pace.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
13. Nixon resigned because he knew
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:54 AM
Nov 2017

That he was going to be impeached and convicted.

Unfortunately this is all depending on repugnant goons in Congress putting the good of the country ahead of their party

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. I read explanation of a study of factors in impeachment,
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:53 AM
Nov 2017

and subsequent removal from office. I don't remember the second two.

But the first two were
1. Strong electoral support. Rump may lose a critical amount.
2. Strong personal support in Congress. Rump never had any friends there.

HOWEVER, we've never been in a position where billionaires and centimillionaires effectively control one party and the mood of half the electorate (more than half, actually -- their lies do demoralize the left and cause people to turn away).

Impeachment and removal are done by congress and the 25th invoked by the cabinet and VP. Both institutions are currently heavily stacked with agents of enormous wealth. Serious proceedings to remove Trump will begin when and if these archconservative power players decide they will, probably the Kochs alliance specifically because they're by far the most powerful of many.

Of course, 200 million registered voters matter. And the results of the Mueller investigation may well force these people to act by no longer impeding our systems. Also of course, they already have their #1 man, Pence, positioned to take over when they do, and their #2 and #3 lined up right after him in succession in case he's taken out with Trump.

unblock

(52,205 posts)
19. it should be noted that impeachment of a president has never happened with a same-party congress.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 12:49 PM
Nov 2017

andrew johnson and bill clinton, and even richard nixon (who resigned before he could be formally impeached) all face opposition congresses.

not only does donnie's party control both houses, but it's at a time why blind partisanship is at a post-civil war high.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Good point. But this party may eventually find it very desirable to
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:03 PM
Nov 2017

unmistakably reject this president. The current distancing so far doesn't seem to be enough. Some are already saying he was really always a Democrat, not a Republican.

Of course, right now most're all about claiming Trump's sins are all Democratic lies and/or Democratic plots to set up and bring down a great leader, but that may just have to give way to new rationalizations.

A nice nation-shaking removal from office could also be very useful in manufacturing some sense of a "rebirth" of their intensely corrupt congress as well. No doubt the scripts are already written and ready for tweaking and launch.

unblock

(52,205 posts)
23. i wouldn't rule out donnie being forced to resign, but actual impeachment seems unlikely
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:12 PM
Nov 2017

the house would be extremely loathe to impeach if they thought the senate wouldn't remove, as this would only cause themselves political damage. there's no way republican house members voting in favor would gain more votes than they would lose from alienating their base.

and if they actually did have enough in the senate to remove, they'd work really, really hard to cut some sort of deal with trump where he exits in a far less embarrassing fashion, be it a nixonian resignation, a resignation for health reasons, or secretly agreeing to a staged health episode or hell, even a staged assassination attempt. repubicans in congress would massively prefer any of these to impeachment and a trial in the senate resulting in removal.


sadly we don't have enough "statesmen" to do the right thing for the country. republicans are at best only interested in doing what's best for themselves and occasionally, their party.

in any event, keep an eye (if you can bear it) on foxnews. if donnie loses foxnews, he's toast. until then, he'll have enough partisan republicans behind him to scare their "leaders" in congress.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Yes, agree resignation is most likely. He may choose
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:15 PM
Nov 2017

to go down in flames, though.

Watching MSNBC and CNN is frequently intolerable, so big no to keeping anything focused on Fox. Nevertheless I occasionally cast brief sideways glances over there and believe Fox has been positioning for some time to be able to either continue or dump support fairly seamlessly.

The Repubilcan leadership is totally corrupted, including the ones who seem almost decent by comparison, but we have some very good Democrats. People never look like statesmen to onlookers before they wear that role. And then it helps tremendously if the media would kindly call them great, but that is always left to next generations.

Truman's considered very near great today by historians, but the beltway media of his day, including types like the "great" Edward R. Murrow, called him a jumped-up "haberdasher" and told the nation he was an incompetent bumpkin. They were genuinely surprised when America ignored their wisdom and soundly reelected him. But it made to difference to them. For 8 years they watched him act with greatness and never stopped regurgitating the same groupthink garbage worthy of a high school clique.

Today's MSM are no better basic quality and just as, or more, corrupted and controlled by huge special interests.

keithbvadu2

(36,778 posts)
15. Resulting in Pence, just as evil but not an idiot... maybe even more dangerous
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 12:00 PM
Nov 2017

Resulting in Pence, just as evil but not an idiot... maybe even more dangerous

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
17. True, but I don't know if Pence has a base like Trump does.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 12:37 PM
Nov 2017

Part of the issue with Trump is that he's managed to create a base of voters who - for whatever weird reason - like him and relate to him and approve of him as a perceived outsider. Pence doesn't have that.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
18. Pence has something Trump doesn't have.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 12:42 PM
Nov 2017

The GOP Congress will circle their wagons around Pence.

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
22. Probably.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:07 PM
Nov 2017

But hadn't Pence become extremely unpopular with his own electorate? It could be politically risky to associate with him.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
25. I think Pence will be able to smooth over the base's hurt feelings a lot easier...
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:19 PM
Nov 2017

...than say someone like McConnell or Ryan who generally are loathed by Trump's base.

Pence isn't extremely unpopular among Republicans. Not in the least. He has support from the people who voted for Trump, indeed, the boss' endorsement, and he's part of the GOP club so he'll have full support from Republicans in Congress.

If Mike Pence gets in the White House, he won't be going anywhere. The GOP will fight tooth and nail for him.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. Republicans crammed us with this deplorable so their party could continue their agenda.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:16 PM
Nov 2017

He'll have to drop dead in the WH before Republicans will replace him with Pence.

 

tapermaker

(244 posts)
28. so many guns and lunatics out there
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:21 PM
Nov 2017

you would think someone would have thought of a remedy by now. I guess that the looney gun fanatics must all be republicans.

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