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blimablam

(121 posts)
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:19 PM Nov 2017

Timeline and Questions about the hit job on Franken

Last edited Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:54 PM - Edit history (2)

The accused
Al Franken. Liberal Senator, Comedian

The accuser
Leanne Tweeden. Conservative talk show host, conservative commentator on many shows, trump supporter, model.

When
December 2006

Where
USO trip to Afghanistan

What
Accuser says accused forcibly kissed her while they were alone practicing for a skit in which he was supposed to kiss her
Accuser shows picture she has had since 2006 where Accused it shown mugging for the camera pretending to touch her.

TIMELINE

2003
Franken uses the kissing skit in a USO show.

12/2006 USO show where the incidences happen.

12/21/2006 photo actually taken per data on original photo at 5:21pm

12/24/2006 when the accusser says photo taken at night on Christmas eve

2006-? Photo shown to Hannity at some point in the past by Tweeden.

2008 Franken runs for the senate against norm coleman and it becomes contested.

7/1/2009 11:00am Norm Coleman finally concedes the race.

https://www.politico.com/story/2009/06/coleman-concedes-race-to-franken-024383

7/1/2009 10:30 pm the original photo is modified in some unknown way per the data within the photo.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/931413204504334336

11/15/2017 10:21pm Roger Stone says it's Al Franken's 'time in the barrel'. Franken next in long list of Democrats to be accused of 'grabby' behavior," read the tweet from Enter the Stone Zone.

thehill.com/…

11/16/2017 7:06am The “story” is released

11/16/2017 7:59am Franken’s Military Escort officer (who has not been debunked yet) responds.
[link:

]


TT‏ @TheTabbasco Nov 16

Strange, I was Al Frankin’s Escort officer...I don’t remember any of this except there was a lot of good natured joking in a crowded room...I was with him the entire time on base…

TT‏ @TheTabbasco
Replying to @TheTabbasco @LeeannTweeden
He had an escort on every base during waking hours...I even stayed with him in the bathroom...If I saw anything that was inappropriate, it was my job to report it...BTW I am an independent, who did Leeanne vote for???

11/16/2017 Franken issues a formal apology denies the kiss and says the photo inappropriate was supposed to be funny and he is sorry about it. Asks for an Ethics investigation on himself.

11/16/2017 Tweeden says "The ethics investigation — if that's what Mitch McConnell wants to do — I'm not calling for that . . . I'm not demanding any of that," Tweeden said.”

11/16/2017 On his radio show Hannity says to Tweeden "I remember you showing me that photo years ago "


Questions.
1. The Military Escort says Franken was never alone. How did Franken get Tweeden alone?

2. The photo shows NO physical contact with Tweeden why does she call it groping?

3. Who took the picture?

4. When did Tweeden show that picture to Hannity?

5. Why didn’t Tweeden or Hannity bring the picture up before?

6. Why didn’t Tweeden say anything at all about anything during Franken’s very close election in 2008?

7. What was modified on the picture on the exact day that Norm Coleman conceded the race to Franken?

8. Why doesn’t Tweeden want an investigation while Franken does?

9. Why did Tweeden say the skit was written for her when it obviously has been around since 2003 on video?

10. Franken has done this skit with many women what do they have to say about the rehearsal?

11. Tweeden says she told people at the USO show right after it happened. Where are they and why haven’t they come forward?

12. How did Roger Stone learn about this a day before it happened?
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Timeline and Questions about the hit job on Franken (Original Post) blimablam Nov 2017 OP
Good questions, indeed dalton99a Nov 2017 #1
Here is a relevant article that complements this OP well: appal_jack Nov 2017 #112
+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #113
Thank you for posting this. awesomerwb1 Nov 2017 #2
THANKS FOR POSTING. i put it on my facebook wall. trueblue2007 Nov 2017 #79
hmmmmm WomanWhoRoars Nov 2017 #3
Plus she rubbed her butt against the guitar player minutes after "the kiss" and slapped his butt. George II Nov 2017 #13
Excellent chronology & questions. k&r, nt appal_jack Nov 2017 #4
Thanks for posting. Arkansas Granny Nov 2017 #5
IIRC Tweeden says she only knew about the "picture" when she received a copy of it later. Did OnDoutside Nov 2017 #6
I read that the photograph was included among many others on a CD sent to all the performers. George II Nov 2017 #11
Thanks, yes that's it. So there will hopefully be multiple copies out there. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #18
And if there aren't, that would be more significant. George II Nov 2017 #73
IIRC, the photo that is shown is on her phone and there is a cd/dvd somewhere with all the pictures Hestia Nov 2017 #20
If he's not talking through his ass as usual, then one OnDoutside Nov 2017 #27
you sure your name aint hesTERia Larrybanal Nov 2017 #37
Good point about the numbers. Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #42
Franken is the most outspoken Senator The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #7
Good Timeline But Omits Key Facts Misskittycat Nov 2017 #8
well I kinda covered that with who the accusser was up top. I didnt want to go into so much detail blimablam Nov 2017 #58
Trashing... brooklynite Nov 2017 #9
well.... WomanWhoRoars Nov 2017 #12
re read his apology and get back to us. It was a brilliant apology. blimablam Nov 2017 #16
Yep. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #50
He apologized for the pic, Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #48
basically franken acknowledged she had a right to "feel' however she felt questionseverything Nov 2017 #62
You've Missed By A Light Year ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #96
He said he remembered it differently...I have no idea why you want to believe this story. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #117
Well done, very thorough timeline. Add to all of that the release by the radio station.... George II Nov 2017 #10
Smells to high heaven. sunonmars Nov 2017 #14
Kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it? paleotn Nov 2017 #35
a couple questions/quibbles. mopinko Nov 2017 #15
oh yeah thats why I said it was modified in some unknown way. It was touched on that date. blimablam Nov 2017 #17
Time and date are set by the camera operator... flotsam Nov 2017 #89
Timeline Iol59 Nov 2017 #19
She is a liar pandr32 Nov 2017 #26
more and more pictures and videos will come out about this. blimablam Nov 2017 #34
timeline womanofthehills Nov 2017 #103
Tweeden Playboy Bill D Nov 2017 #43
It only means that Leeann Tweeden is way ahead of the curve. TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #70
Do you know what interview that was this week? blimablam Nov 2017 #102
Be careful maxrandb Nov 2017 #21
That's about the truth. Duppers Nov 2017 #23
except you don't want truth Larrybanal Nov 2017 #38
Me? Wait, What?? Duppers Nov 2017 #54
Utterly ridiculous WomanWhoRoars Nov 2017 #24
Ummm, I can show you the thread maxrandb Nov 2017 #28
I think I just read that post... you should "alert" it...n/m bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #30
Excellent OP & thread on this subject. Duppers Nov 2017 #22
All excellent questions. pandr32 Nov 2017 #25
Tweeden doesn't want an investigation while Franken does rocktivity Nov 2017 #29
She will have to lie to Congress and that is against the law...it is clear that her story is a pack Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #115
Maybe WomanWhoRoars Nov 2017 #31
Perhaps this is the moment to force a widespread investigation of how bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #32
Leann Tweeden Playboy Plus Bill D Nov 2017 #40
so what? blimablam Nov 2017 #45
Irrelevant. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #53
This seems like a good place to drop this Twitter thread: Capn Sunshine Nov 2017 #33
Leann Tweeden In Playboy Bill D Nov 2017 #36
that would make her about 70 Larrybanal Nov 2017 #39
Tweeden Playboy Bill D Nov 2017 #44
irrelevant blimablam Nov 2017 #47
1996 Sam McGee Nov 2017 #49
Irrelevant. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #56
irrelevant blimablam Nov 2017 #60
Dec 2011 was the Christmas cover Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2017 #68
irrelevant and plain wrong. blimablam Nov 2017 #46
Irrelevant. Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #55
That's probably Shannon Tweed the Kiss guy's wife... bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #41
Thank you Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #51
He apologized and requested an investigation. Susan Calvin Nov 2017 #52
Thank you for this timeline wallyworld2 Nov 2017 #57
THank you for this..... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2017 #59
We are still waiting for the apologies Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #61
Here's the shorter version of Leeann Tweeden's description of the kiss underthematrix Nov 2017 #63
In the past, Democrats have thrown people under the bus when allegations were obviously FALSE yurbud Nov 2017 #64
There is a hell of a double standard going on around here right now and it's disgusting. Hyper_Eye Nov 2017 #65
When even conservatives are questioning it you know there are issues blimablam Nov 2017 #69
I am not opposed to an investigation. I look forward to it. Hyper_Eye Nov 2017 #71
To each their own. Tweeden started with a lie so I can't help you there blimablam Nov 2017 #75
and we can also look into the details of each case treestar Nov 2017 #90
I Think You've Had An Experience I've Never Had! ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #97
Now shes got a book deal with Sinclair........ Historic NY Nov 2017 #66
check out the Immoral Minority blog pamdb Nov 2017 #67
I don't think there is a shot of the rehearsal kiss where she says they were alone blimablam Nov 2017 #86
I can't find any source backing up the Leeann birther claim. Could someone link to it please? hedda_foil Nov 2017 #72
Here's one blimablam Nov 2017 #74
Thanks but it's just a blog post saying she sorta kinda implied something birtherish on TV. hedda_foil Nov 2017 #76
Maybe do search for vid for the time frame the blog speaks of? blimablam Nov 2017 #78
I have a link to a Hannity show riverwalker Nov 2017 #81
Transcript riverwalker Nov 2017 #83
Thank you, thank you, thank you! hedda_foil Nov 2017 #111
Thanks! hedda_foil Nov 2017 #110
I'll do more searching here's one on hannitys show blimablam Nov 2017 #99
Leeann Birther on Hannity riverwalker Nov 2017 #100
Thanks! blimablam Nov 2017 #101
The video link has been posted quite a few times on other threads on DU womanofthehills Nov 2017 #105
thanks. hedda_foil Nov 2017 #109
"Is it possible she is lying and this is a political hit job? Yes it is. Those are things bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #77
You replied to the wrong post. To answer the question NO. Hyper_Eye Nov 2017 #91
It's obvious to me, as to many of you, that this is some convaluded RW crap. Let's move on. YOHABLO Nov 2017 #80
Why move on and let them get away with it? womanofthehills Nov 2017 #106
That escort officer riverwalker Nov 2017 #82
Hopefully easy to check the armed services for records blimablam Nov 2017 #84
Escort officers GP6971 Nov 2017 #87
Because it is fake. former9thward Nov 2017 #95
Why the camera data matters riverwalker Nov 2017 #85
Why would she wear Kevlar and helmet riverwalker Nov 2017 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author riverwalker Nov 2017 #93
Also, the camera data says "no flash" so why would there be so many dark shadows in flat light? womanofthehills Nov 2017 #104
Truth and FACTS speak louder than words benld74 Nov 2017 #92
Here are Tweeden's exact words on the infamous picture to show the lie. blimablam Nov 2017 #94
I looked the video of the View again riverwalker Nov 2017 #108
Did anyone else notice ....? VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #98
Yea, we noticed. LisaL Nov 2017 #107
So he wrote the skit as an excuse to kiss whatever attractive female he is paired with oberliner Nov 2017 #116
You have to want to believe Tweeden's pack of lies. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #114
Thank you for highlighting the pertinent facts in this case. lark Nov 2017 #118
Tweeden has gone silent. Just a reminder that there are so many questions blimablam Dec 2017 #119

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
2. Thank you for posting this.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:29 PM
Nov 2017

I call BS. Coordinated smear job hit.

The truth will come out. It already is.

WomanWhoRoars

(175 posts)
3. hmmmmm
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:45 PM
Nov 2017

My gut says this is a smear campaign. Tweeden claims to be traumatized by Al planting a sloppy kiss on her during a USO skit. This is a woman that has posed nude and been in the Playboy mansion; I would think that she's had worse things said and done to her. Don't get me wrong, Al may have overstepped his humor but he is not a predator and this was all about getting him off the committee that questions Trump's nominees AND for LeAnn to sell books. I think there's a reason Al has said he welcomes an investigation. If the twitter rumblings are true....this is a set up.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
6. IIRC Tweeden says she only knew about the "picture" when she received a copy of it later. Did
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:00 PM
Nov 2017

Al Franken also receive a copy ? In which case that would be an unaltered version, and it can be compared, if Al still has it.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
20. IIRC, the photo that is shown is on her phone and there is a cd/dvd somewhere with all the pictures
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:40 PM
Nov 2017

and backstage antics that the photographer gave all the people who help and appeared on the tour. Something tells Drumpf has seen the cd, because he tweeted about pics 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
27. If he's not talking through his ass as usual, then one
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:50 PM
Nov 2017

Would have thought they'd release the most "damning" ?

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
7. Franken is the most outspoken Senator
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:09 PM
Nov 2017

about the Russia investigation. He has been called out by trump many times now.

This is a very deliberate ploy by the GOP and fox to silence him. That woman has inflated a whole story around that stupid picture. It's all bullshit.

Misskittycat

(1,916 posts)
8. Good Timeline But Omits Key Facts
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:12 PM
Nov 2017

You're leaving out all of the known information about her media career in the right-wing cesspit, her birtherism, her spate of immediate media appearances, the book deal just signed, etc.

blimablam

(121 posts)
58. well I kinda covered that with who the accusser was up top. I didnt want to go into so much detail
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:54 PM
Nov 2017

that peoples eyes just glazed over.

can you post what you have of her conservative career?

not sure about the book deal there seems to be some controversy about wether its real or not.

brooklynite

(94,480 posts)
9. Trashing...
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:13 PM
Nov 2017

Continually reading about how this was a setup or hoax AFTER Franken has acknowledged it and apologized and after the accusr has accepted the apology is becoming tedious.

WomanWhoRoars

(175 posts)
12. well....
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:19 PM
Nov 2017

He apologized if she was upset at his humor - he never admitted groping her and he did state he remembers the event way differently. There are pix all over twitter of that USO tour show - she had no problem with the country singer grabbing her ass and she even turned around and grabbed his on stage.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
48. He apologized for the pic,
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:35 PM
Nov 2017

Which was a nothing in context and in the times. (Not that that makes it OK now.)

He did not admit the "kiss incident" - just refused to say anything against the woman.

I think he is handling this brilliantly.

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
62. basically franken acknowledged she had a right to "feel' however she felt
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:02 PM
Nov 2017

and he was sorry for his part in her hurt

I am an election integrity activist...many times you have asked if their was ever a dem candidate that claimed election theft

with Alabama's election coming up I wanna ask why seigleman's accusation of Alabama repubs stealing his gov election doesn't merit a look?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029860272

ProfessorGAC

(64,960 posts)
96. You've Missed By A Light Year
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:36 PM
Nov 2017

If you count leaving out ALL context as coming close, then I'm sure you think you knocked it out of the park!
Sheesh!

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. Well done, very thorough timeline. Add to all of that the release by the radio station....
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:17 PM
Nov 2017

....that said Tweeden never kept any of this secret over the years and that she has spoken about it with friends, family, and co-workers.

The incident was 11 years ago. In that time, NOT keeping it a secret and spoken about with dozens if not hundreds of people, not a single person mentioned this to the media? We're talking about a high-profile celebrity who months after the incident became a United States Senator. How is this possible?

Here's the statement by the station:


/photo/1

paleotn

(17,902 posts)
35. Kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:15 PM
Nov 2017

Pretty weak stuff when all the facts are laid out. Of course, facts don't matter much to some.

mopinko

(70,069 posts)
15. a couple questions/quibbles.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:23 PM
Nov 2017

no al should not step down. yes, this is a smear job.

but- a couple things about that metadata.
i dont know about this camera, and am not a big photog, but i think the time/date stamp is something that is set by the operator, so it could have been set incorrectly. i dont think it is like a phone time stamp.
someone more informed about the model, or about army practices could give a more definitive answer.

and the modification date could just be the photo being resaved. may be just moving it to another device, which would resave it and mark it modified even if it is not altered. the date is suspicious, tho.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
89. Time and date are set by the camera operator...
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:33 PM
Nov 2017

That said when I get a new camera (whether new or used) the date is seldom anywhere near right until it is reset by the new owner. A new camera is set at the factory and may sit for years with no battery installed. I have received cameras that were both new and off by several years. Also you can move your date stamp in either direction at any time until the picture is taken. But why 11 years ago would a photographer post date a photo by 104 hours??? For a plot over a decade in the future? The second entry on the metadata is even more problematic since it could have been done on any computer in the world with a cd r/rw and a photo editing suite. Your left with this-either a massive op that manipulated the metadata or as per Occam the photo was shot on a different date than Tweedum claims and later on a particular date that also seems suspicious.

Iol59

(25 posts)
19. Timeline
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:33 PM
Nov 2017

[link:


|

During an interview this week Tweeden claims she saw him at a formal event years later and gave him the cold shoulder and wouldn’t speak to him.Really? A picture speaks a 1000 words right.

Bill D

(15 posts)
43. Tweeden Playboy
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:32 PM
Nov 2017

If you Google playboy/tweeden
You will see a picture of her and this is what it says




PLAYBOYNSFW
SHOP
Magazine
Leeann Tweeden
DETAILS

EYE COLORBrown Eyes
HAIR COLORBrunettes
BIRTHDATE06/06/73
HOMETOWNManassas, VA, USA
SEE HER NUDE ON PLAYBOY PLUS

TexasTowelie

(112,063 posts)
70. It only means that Leeann Tweeden is way ahead of the curve.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:30 PM
Nov 2017

The "cold shoulder" look was the rage for a couple of years.

 

Larrybanal

(227 posts)
38. except you don't want truth
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:22 PM
Nov 2017

you want an indictment of a liberal...and to draw our attention from the trump disaster

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
54. Me? Wait, What??
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:43 PM
Nov 2017

I was agreeing with Maxrandb. Did I misunderstand him? I think Ms. Tweeden is a RW rat operative trying to discredit a damn good senator when it is clear that she's not offended by rowdy play behavior.


A day later: no reply?


WomanWhoRoars

(175 posts)
24. Utterly ridiculous
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:48 PM
Nov 2017

That's utterly ridiculous. We just want the truth. As a friend told me, in the era of me too we have to acknowledge that some women are capable of lying for their own gain. We should all want the truth. I see NO pattern of predator behavior in Franken. Until I see that, I call foul on this story. He is a comic and crossed the line. PERIOD.

maxrandb

(15,312 posts)
28. Ummm, I can show you the thread
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:51 PM
Nov 2017

Where I was accused of supporting the rape of prostitutes if you like

pandr32

(11,572 posts)
25. All excellent questions.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:49 PM
Nov 2017

Also, comedians are often over-the-top--hard to imagine a field of politically correct comedians.
The USO performance was before Franken became a senator and was still a comedian.

rocktivity

(44,573 posts)
29. Tweeden doesn't want an investigation while Franken does
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 02:55 PM
Nov 2017

-- hence, her rapid acceptance of his rapid apology -- because they both know that an investigation would a) bring up the very issues you have presented, and b) open the door for the investigations of Rethuglicans who have done far worse. If Al is home "reflecting," it's his victory, not his defeat.


rocktivity

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
115. She will have to lie to Congress and that is against the law...it is clear that her story is a pack
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:21 AM
Nov 2017

of lies.

 

bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
32. Perhaps this is the moment to force a widespread investigation of how
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:05 PM
Nov 2017

right-wing "news" is manufactured and propagated through social media these days. Would be interesting to see Tweeden in the witness box up against a good lawyer.

Bill D

(15 posts)
40. Leann Tweeden Playboy Plus
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:26 PM
Nov 2017

If you go to playboy.com/tweeden

You will see her picture and name Leann Tweeden and it says
SEE HER NUDE ON PLAYBOY PLUS

Bill D

(15 posts)
36. Leann Tweeden In Playboy
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:19 PM
Nov 2017

Leann Tweeden is on the cover of Playbody August 1966
I dont know how she looks inside the magazine but it
could be interesting.
Anyone have Playbody August 1966?

Bill D

(15 posts)
44. Tweeden Playboy
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:34 PM
Nov 2017

I might have had the wrong date.

But anyhow if you go on playboy.com/tweeden

You see a picture of her and this is what is written

PLAYBOYNSFW
SHOP
Magazine
Leeann Tweeden
DETAILS

EYE COLORBrown Eyes
HAIR COLORBrunettes
BIRTHDATE06/06/73
HOMETOWNManassas, VA, USA
SEE HER NUDE ON PLAYBOY PLUS

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
49. 1996
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:36 PM
Nov 2017

As I recall she showed it all in August 1996 Playboy. May have the month wrong. She was on the cover in Christmas garb.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,839 posts)
68. Dec 2011 was the Christmas cover
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:25 PM
Nov 2017

But I'm not sure how it's relevant to the story other than clearly she's not some shrinking violet.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
55. Irrelevant.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:45 PM
Nov 2017

It would appear you do not understand how this harassment/assault stuff works.

Not that I personally currently think he did anything wrong, at the time and in the context. I just don't want him defended by tearing down women's progress.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,782 posts)
59. THank you for this.....
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 03:54 PM
Nov 2017


I posted this on my Facebook timeline. I think it is important that people at least read this to get a better perspective that Al is NOT what he is being portrayed as.

The connection to Roger Stone and Trump do indeed invite suspicion. Al has been a regular critic of Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress, and very hard on Jeff Sessions. Could there be a connection? It sure is looking like that.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
63. Here's the shorter version of Leeann Tweeden's description of the kiss
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:04 PM
Nov 2017
https://www.politico.com/video/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-recalls-al-franken-aggressively-kissing-her-during-a-rehearsal-064359

There's a loner version in which she says she said ok fine whatever when she says Franken is trying to get her to map out the kiss. If anyone finds it, please post it here.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
64. In the past, Democrats have thrown people under the bus when allegations were obviously FALSE
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:08 PM
Nov 2017

or overblown.

I hope they at least bother to investigate this before they dump Al.

Hyper_Eye

(675 posts)
65. There is a hell of a double standard going on around here right now and it's disgusting.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:19 PM
Nov 2017

We villainize the right when they deny wrong-doing and then attempt to discredit their accusers. We exclaim that it takes courage for women to come out and publicly recount their sexual abuse. But when the accused is a beloved senator on our side, who has admitted wrongdoing and apologized to his accuser, we are digging up everything we can to tear down his accuser. It is absolutely 100% hypocritical and it makes my skin crawl. I don't care if she is a conservative. I don't care if she fraternizes with clowns on the extreme right. I don't care what her views are. Sexual assault is sexual assault. Is it possible she is lying and this is a political hit job? Yes it is. Those are things that will come out during an investigation. In the meantime I'm going to give her the same benefit of the doubt that I'm giving Roy Moore's accusers. I see the same thing in the picture that you see which is that his hands are more hovering than they are touching. I see him smiling as if it is a joke. But I don't find it funny and his hands are in a position that I would not be okay with if it were my private parts or if she were my wife. He admits the picture was wrong and a mistake. I take him at his word. I know there are "witness statements" on twitter. I will believe them when they recount the incident under oath. Until then they are just random people on the internet.

I was a fan of Al when he was on Air America. I was elated that he ran and won a seat in the senate. I think he is doing important work. I don't want to believe these accusations. I also strongly supported John Edwards and voted for him in 2004 and 2008. I felt he was talking about something the other candidates were missing and I think that the issues he campaigned on culminated in the 2016 election. When his troubles began I didn't want to believe them. Ultimately I was incredibly disappointed to find out that they were true. I also felt that Anthony Wiener was one of the true progressives calling out the right in congress. I was a big fan. I didn't want to believe the allegations against him. I was disappointed again. These things happen. Is it possible that Senator Franken is taking the best approach he can with the intention of seeing his innocence proved later? Sure. I'm not calling for his head. I'm not calling for his accuser's head either. It wouldn't be right.

As far as I'm concerned this site is engaged in a witch hunt right now. It needs to stop.

Hyper_Eye

(675 posts)
71. I am not opposed to an investigation. I look forward to it.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:31 PM
Nov 2017

An investigation would be handled with no predetermined conclusions. That is not what is happening on this site. If people here can't see that these actions mirror the approach the right takes to tear down their accusers then they have some serious blinders on. It's gross.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
90. and we can also look into the details of each case
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:37 PM
Nov 2017

and judge for ourselves. We are not required to believe the same side right on each case or make the same conclusions.

ProfessorGAC

(64,960 posts)
97. I Think You've Had An Experience I've Never Had!
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:41 PM
Nov 2017

What's it like to be so far from correct? What's it like to be so out of touch withe facts?
No, really! I'd like to know!

pamdb

(1,332 posts)
67. check out the Immoral Minority blog
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:25 PM
Nov 2017

There are several pictures of this Leann person grabbing a guitar players butt, grabbing Robin Williams and kissing him and wrapping her leg around him and a wide angle shot of the infamous kiss by Al Franken. I wonder is her career is faltering and she needed a publicity "boost". Normally I would believe the woman but in her case....


WIDER SHOT!!! (Please note that they are not alone and this is rehearsal) pic.twitter.com/nnx0ae7HU3
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hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
76. Thanks but it's just a blog post saying she sorta kinda implied something birtherish on TV.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:32 PM
Nov 2017

Perhaps the inference is accurate, but we'd need to see clips of her talking about it.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
81. I have a link to a Hannity show
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:47 PM
Nov 2017

She did with a panel asking for birth certificate. I have to dig it up. She is not very bright and just kind of agrees with everyone on the panel. She says “just produce it !ll”a couple times.

blimablam

(121 posts)
99. I'll do more searching here's one on hannitys show
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:26 PM
Nov 2017

I haven't listened to it all yet so I don't know what she's presenting yet

https://m.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
100. Leeann Birther on Hannity
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:28 PM
Nov 2017

Interesting in 2011 she also says “Trump is brilliant and who knows how far he’ll go”
Her birther talk is at 16:00. approx.

womanofthehills

(8,686 posts)
105. The video link has been posted quite a few times on other threads on DU
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:54 PM
Nov 2017

In the video she also says "Trump is brilliant." Basically, she just says he needs to show his birth certificate.

 

bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
77. "Is it possible she is lying and this is a political hit job? Yes it is. Those are things
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:33 PM
Nov 2017

that will come out during an investigation. . Is it possible she is lying and this is a political hit job? Yes it is. Those are things that will come out during an investigation."

In the meantime, let's drag his name through the mud???

Hyper_Eye

(675 posts)
91. You replied to the wrong post. To answer the question NO.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:45 PM
Nov 2017

As quoted from further down in my post: "Is it possible that Senator Franken is taking the best approach he can with the intention of seeing his innocence proved later? Sure. I'm not calling for his head. I'm not calling for his accuser's head either. It wouldn't be right."

This is the reality of a situation like this. She made a claim, provided evidence even to substantiate part of it, and he apologized. Then he did the key thing... he called for an investigation. That's exactly what should happen. In the process he may be exonerated. At that time I am sure he will explain that his apology was really about the poor taste in the joke displayed in the picture and that he wanted to be respectful and not attack his accuser. Or it could go the other way. If that happens the people here who have been attacking this woman will feel no shame. They will just refuse to believe it. Sounds a lot like another group of people I know of. We are supposed to be better than this.

former9thward

(31,963 posts)
95. Because it is fake.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:31 PM
Nov 2017

An escort officer does not follow people into the bathroom. That comment was a obvious give away.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
85. Why the camera data matters
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:13 PM
Nov 2017

Leeann said it was taken “late at night Xmas Eve on the long trip home”. The data says it was taken on 12/21. In addition, Franken staffer Andy wrote on his blog andygoestoiraq about the USO tour, says they left on 12/23 for long trip home, and arrived home in US 12/24. He was with Franken the entire tour. So she was wrong about that. Data says it was taken 5pm. (If photo was by professional military photographer he would have accurate time, if by amateur maybe not. They are trying to find who took photo). Andy says they flew from Iraq to Afghanistan that day (about 3 hours?) Why would she be sound asleep at 5pm?

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
88. Why would she wear Kevlar and helmet
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:32 PM
Nov 2017

If she was on the 17 hour flight home? And in a jump seat and not the comfy seats in other picture of plane? How can she remember every tiny gross detail about “the kiss” yet be totally wrong about date and circumstances of the pretend groping photo?

Response to riverwalker (Reply #88)

womanofthehills

(8,686 posts)
104. Also, the camera data says "no flash" so why would there be so many dark shadows in flat light?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:47 PM
Nov 2017

unless some photo shopping was going on to make Al's hands look closer to her breasts. Also, why is Al's finger chopped off at tip in the pic?

blimablam

(121 posts)
94. Here are Tweeden's exact words on the infamous picture to show the lie.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:25 PM
Nov 2017


"It wasn’t until I was back in the US and looking through the CD of photos we were given by the photographer that I saw this one:

I couldn’t believe it. He groped me, without my consent, while I was asleep.

I felt violated all over again. Embarrassed. Belittled. Humiliated.

How dare anyone grab my breasts like this and think it’s funny?"


This is for my question #2. She lied about the photo. Franken did NOT touch her or even the Flak vest. You can see the shadows of his fingers on her. This is what got me investigating the rest of the story.

Got another question about the story now as well.

Where are the rest of the photos that were given to the rest of the USO group from this photographer?

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
108. I looked the video of the View again
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 01:00 AM
Nov 2017

Joy Behar asked her pointedly “what about the other people next to you on the plane, and the one who took photo, are you mad at them?”
LeeAnn got a funny look and changed the subject to Weinstein and “the culture”. Never answered.

VMA131Marine

(4,137 posts)
98. Did anyone else notice ....?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:06 PM
Nov 2017

In one of the statements by Leeann Tweeden she says (paraphrasing) "I felt like he wrote the kissing scene just so he would have an excuse to kiss me." That to tour was in 2006. There is a version of the skit from a 2003 USO tour in on of the videos that have been posted where Al is doing the scene with Karri Turner (J.A.G.). After the kiss she says to Al "I think you wrote that skit just so you would get to kiss me." This is the lead-in to inviting one of the military personnel in attendance up to the stage to repeat the scene with Karri. So the scene had existed for at least 3 years before Tweeden was in it and it can hardly be coincidence that she repeats an accusation that is part of the skit itself. This whole thing stinks!

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
107. Yea, we noticed.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:27 PM
Nov 2017

Despite what Leeann said, the skit was not written for her, as Franken was doing the same skit with another actress years prior.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
116. So he wrote the skit as an excuse to kiss whatever attractive female he is paired with
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:21 AM
Nov 2017

Or so it seems.

lark

(23,083 posts)
118. Thank you for highlighting the pertinent facts in this case.
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:30 AM
Nov 2017

Pisses me off how some are posting pictures of her in other venues that had nothing at all to do with Franken, in essece "slut shaming" her, that is so wrong. These are pertinent facts to her story (lies?) about Franken and why I think it was a planned partisan hit to take the focus off Moore and orange assface.

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