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The accusedAl Franken. Liberal Senator, Comedian
The accuser
Leanne Tweeden. Conservative talk show host, conservative commentator on many shows, trump supporter, model.
When
December 2006
Where
USO trip to Afghanistan
What
Accuser says accused forcibly kissed her while they were alone practicing for a skit in which he was supposed to kiss her
Accuser shows picture she has had since 2006 where Accused it shown mugging for the camera pretending to touch her.
TIMELINE
2003 Franken uses the kissing skit in a USO show.
12/2006 USO show where the incidences happen.
12/21/2006 photo actually taken per data on original photo at 5:21pm
12/24/2006 when the accusser says photo taken at night on Christmas eve
2006-? Photo shown to Hannity at some point in the past by Tweeden.
2008 Franken runs for the senate against norm coleman and it becomes contested.
7/1/2009 11:00am Norm Coleman finally concedes the race.
https://www.politico.com/story/2009/06/coleman-concedes-race-to-franken-024383
7/1/2009 10:30 pm the original photo is modified in some unknown way per the data within the photo.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/931413204504334336
11/15/2017 10:21pm Roger Stone says it's Al Franken's 'time in the barrel'. Franken next in long list of Democrats to be accused of 'grabby' behavior," read the tweet from Enter the Stone Zone.
thehill.com/
11/16/2017 7:06am The story is released
11/16/2017 7:59am Frankens Military Escort officer (who has not been debunked yet) responds.
[link:
Link to tweet
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TT @TheTabbasco Nov 16
Strange, I was Al Frankins Escort officer...I dont remember any of this except there was a lot of good natured joking in a crowded room...I was with him the entire time on base
TT @TheTabbasco
Replying to @TheTabbasco @LeeannTweeden
He had an escort on every base during waking hours...I even stayed with him in the bathroom...If I saw anything that was inappropriate, it was my job to report it...BTW I am an independent, who did Leeanne vote for???
11/16/2017 Franken issues a formal apology denies the kiss and says the photo inappropriate was supposed to be funny and he is sorry about it. Asks for an Ethics investigation on himself.
11/16/2017 Tweeden says "The ethics investigation if that's what Mitch McConnell wants to do I'm not calling for that . . . I'm not demanding any of that," Tweeden said.
11/16/2017 On his radio show Hannity says to Tweeden "I remember you showing me that photo years ago "
Questions.
1. The Military Escort says Franken was never alone. How did Franken get Tweeden alone?
2. The photo shows NO physical contact with Tweeden why does she call it groping?
3. Who took the picture?
4. When did Tweeden show that picture to Hannity?
5. Why didnt Tweeden or Hannity bring the picture up before?
6. Why didnt Tweeden say anything at all about anything during Frankens very close election in 2008?
7. What was modified on the picture on the exact day that Norm Coleman conceded the race to Franken?
8. Why doesnt Tweeden want an investigation while Franken does?
9. Why did Tweeden say the skit was written for her when it obviously has been around since 2003 on video?
10. Franken has done this skit with many women what do they have to say about the rehearsal?
11. Tweeden says she told people at the USO show right after it happened. Where are they and why havent they come forward?
12. How did Roger Stone learn about this a day before it happened?
dalton99a
(81,426 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)dalton99a
(81,426 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)I call BS. Coordinated smear job hit.
The truth will come out. It already is.
trueblue2007
(17,202 posts)WomanWhoRoars
(175 posts)My gut says this is a smear campaign. Tweeden claims to be traumatized by Al planting a sloppy kiss on her during a USO skit. This is a woman that has posed nude and been in the Playboy mansion; I would think that she's had worse things said and done to her. Don't get me wrong, Al may have overstepped his humor but he is not a predator and this was all about getting him off the committee that questions Trump's nominees AND for LeAnn to sell books. I think there's a reason Al has said he welcomes an investigation. If the twitter rumblings are true....this is a set up.
George II
(67,782 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)I'm bookmarking for future reference.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)Al Franken also receive a copy ? In which case that would be an unaltered version, and it can be compared, if Al still has it.
George II
(67,782 posts)OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)and backstage antics that the photographer gave all the people who help and appeared on the tour. Something tells Drumpf has seen the cd, because he tweeted about pics 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)Would have thought they'd release the most "damning" ?
Larrybanal
(227 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)And thank you for reading the tweets so I don't have to.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)about the Russia investigation. He has been called out by trump many times now.
This is a very deliberate ploy by the GOP and fox to silence him. That woman has inflated a whole story around that stupid picture. It's all bullshit.
Misskittycat
(1,916 posts)You're leaving out all of the known information about her media career in the right-wing cesspit, her birtherism, her spate of immediate media appearances, the book deal just signed, etc.
blimablam
(121 posts)that peoples eyes just glazed over.
can you post what you have of her conservative career?
not sure about the book deal there seems to be some controversy about wether its real or not.
brooklynite
(94,480 posts)Continually reading about how this was a setup or hoax AFTER Franken has acknowledged it and apologized and after the accusr has accepted the apology is becoming tedious.
WomanWhoRoars
(175 posts)He apologized if she was upset at his humor - he never admitted groping her and he did state he remembers the event way differently. There are pix all over twitter of that USO tour show - she had no problem with the country singer grabbing her ass and she even turned around and grabbed his on stage.
blimablam
(121 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)Which was a nothing in context and in the times. (Not that that makes it OK now.)
He did not admit the "kiss incident" - just refused to say anything against the woman.
I think he is handling this brilliantly.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)and he was sorry for his part in her hurt
I am an election integrity activist...many times you have asked if their was ever a dem candidate that claimed election theft
with Alabama's election coming up I wanna ask why seigleman's accusation of Alabama repubs stealing his gov election doesn't merit a look?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029860272
ProfessorGAC
(64,960 posts)If you count leaving out ALL context as coming close, then I'm sure you think you knocked it out of the park!
Sheesh!
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....that said Tweeden never kept any of this secret over the years and that she has spoken about it with friends, family, and co-workers.
The incident was 11 years ago. In that time, NOT keeping it a secret and spoken about with dozens if not hundreds of people, not a single person mentioned this to the media? We're talking about a high-profile celebrity who months after the incident became a United States Senator. How is this possible?
Here's the statement by the station:
Link to tweet
/photo/1
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)paleotn
(17,902 posts)Pretty weak stuff when all the facts are laid out. Of course, facts don't matter much to some.
mopinko
(70,069 posts)no al should not step down. yes, this is a smear job.
but- a couple things about that metadata.
i dont know about this camera, and am not a big photog, but i think the time/date stamp is something that is set by the operator, so it could have been set incorrectly. i dont think it is like a phone time stamp.
someone more informed about the model, or about army practices could give a more definitive answer.
and the modification date could just be the photo being resaved. may be just moving it to another device, which would resave it and mark it modified even if it is not altered. the date is suspicious, tho.
blimablam
(121 posts)flotsam
(3,268 posts)That said when I get a new camera (whether new or used) the date is seldom anywhere near right until it is reset by the new owner. A new camera is set at the factory and may sit for years with no battery installed. I have received cameras that were both new and off by several years. Also you can move your date stamp in either direction at any time until the picture is taken. But why 11 years ago would a photographer post date a photo by 104 hours??? For a plot over a decade in the future? The second entry on the metadata is even more problematic since it could have been done on any computer in the world with a cd r/rw and a photo editing suite. Your left with this-either a massive op that manipulated the metadata or as per Occam the photo was shot on a different date than Tweedum claims and later on a particular date that also seems suspicious.
Iol59
(25 posts)[link:
Link to tweet
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During an interview this week Tweeden claims she saw him at a formal event years later and gave him the cold shoulder and wouldnt speak to him.Really? A picture speaks a 1000 words right.
pandr32
(11,572 posts)blimablam
(121 posts)womanofthehills
(8,686 posts)Bill D
(15 posts)If you Google playboy/tweeden
You will see a picture of her and this is what it says
PLAYBOYNSFW
SHOP
Magazine
Leeann Tweeden
DETAILS
EYE COLORBrown Eyes
HAIR COLORBrunettes
BIRTHDATE06/06/73
HOMETOWNManassas, VA, USA
SEE HER NUDE ON PLAYBOY PLUS
TexasTowelie
(112,063 posts)The "cold shoulder" look was the rage for a couple of years.
blimablam
(121 posts)maxrandb
(15,312 posts)Some crazy DUers will accuse you of supporting rape if you question Leeann
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Larrybanal
(227 posts)you want an indictment of a liberal...and to draw our attention from the trump disaster
Duppers
(28,117 posts)I was agreeing with Maxrandb. Did I misunderstand him? I think Ms. Tweeden is a RW rat operative trying to discredit a damn good senator when it is clear that she's not offended by rowdy play behavior.
A day later: no reply?
WomanWhoRoars
(175 posts)That's utterly ridiculous. We just want the truth. As a friend told me, in the era of me too we have to acknowledge that some women are capable of lying for their own gain. We should all want the truth. I see NO pattern of predator behavior in Franken. Until I see that, I call foul on this story. He is a comic and crossed the line. PERIOD.
maxrandb
(15,312 posts)Where I was accused of supporting the rape of prostitutes if you like
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Let's see the doubters try to debunk this evidence.
pandr32
(11,572 posts)Also, comedians are often over-the-top--hard to imagine a field of politically correct comedians.
The USO performance was before Franken became a senator and was still a comedian.
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)-- hence, her rapid acceptance of his rapid apology -- because they both know that an investigation would a) bring up the very issues you have presented, and b) open the door for the investigations of Rethuglicans who have done far worse. If Al is home "reflecting," it's his victory, not his defeat.
rocktivity
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)of lies.
WomanWhoRoars
(175 posts)Maybe we should demand an ethics investigation - and have them investigate the Orange Moron too.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)right-wing "news" is manufactured and propagated through social media these days. Would be interesting to see Tweeden in the witness box up against a good lawyer.
Bill D
(15 posts)If you go to playboy.com/tweeden
You will see her picture and name Leann Tweeden and it says
SEE HER NUDE ON PLAYBOY PLUS
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)Bill D
(15 posts)Leann Tweeden is on the cover of Playbody August 1966
I dont know how she looks inside the magazine but it
could be interesting.
Anyone have Playbody August 1966?
Larrybanal
(227 posts)1966 goes not seem possible
Bill D
(15 posts)I might have had the wrong date.
But anyhow if you go on playboy.com/tweeden
You see a picture of her and this is what is written
PLAYBOYNSFW
SHOP
Magazine
Leeann Tweeden
DETAILS
EYE COLORBrown Eyes
HAIR COLORBrunettes
BIRTHDATE06/06/73
HOMETOWNManassas, VA, USA
SEE HER NUDE ON PLAYBOY PLUS
blimablam
(121 posts)As I recall she showed it all in August 1996 Playboy. May have the month wrong. She was on the cover in Christmas garb.
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)blimablam
(121 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,839 posts)But I'm not sure how it's relevant to the story other than clearly she's not some shrinking violet.
blimablam
(121 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)It would appear you do not understand how this harassment/assault stuff works.
Not that I personally currently think he did anything wrong, at the time and in the context. I just don't want him defended by tearing down women's progress.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)She was a small-time B movie star also.
Stinky The Clown
(67,776 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)I look forward to it.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)I really think Senator Franken is being railroaded and it needs to stop now.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,782 posts)I posted this on my Facebook timeline. I think it is important that people at least read this to get a better perspective that Al is NOT what he is being portrayed as.
The connection to Roger Stone and Trump do indeed invite suspicion. Al has been a regular critic of Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress, and very hard on Jeff Sessions. Could there be a connection? It sure is looking like that.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)from the duped Democrats that demanded Franken's resignation.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)There's a loner version in which she says she said ok fine whatever when she says Franken is trying to get her to map out the kiss. If anyone finds it, please post it here.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)or overblown.
I hope they at least bother to investigate this before they dump Al.
Hyper_Eye
(675 posts)We villainize the right when they deny wrong-doing and then attempt to discredit their accusers. We exclaim that it takes courage for women to come out and publicly recount their sexual abuse. But when the accused is a beloved senator on our side, who has admitted wrongdoing and apologized to his accuser, we are digging up everything we can to tear down his accuser. It is absolutely 100% hypocritical and it makes my skin crawl. I don't care if she is a conservative. I don't care if she fraternizes with clowns on the extreme right. I don't care what her views are. Sexual assault is sexual assault. Is it possible she is lying and this is a political hit job? Yes it is. Those are things that will come out during an investigation. In the meantime I'm going to give her the same benefit of the doubt that I'm giving Roy Moore's accusers. I see the same thing in the picture that you see which is that his hands are more hovering than they are touching. I see him smiling as if it is a joke. But I don't find it funny and his hands are in a position that I would not be okay with if it were my private parts or if she were my wife. He admits the picture was wrong and a mistake. I take him at his word. I know there are "witness statements" on twitter. I will believe them when they recount the incident under oath. Until then they are just random people on the internet.
I was a fan of Al when he was on Air America. I was elated that he ran and won a seat in the senate. I think he is doing important work. I don't want to believe these accusations. I also strongly supported John Edwards and voted for him in 2004 and 2008. I felt he was talking about something the other candidates were missing and I think that the issues he campaigned on culminated in the 2016 election. When his troubles began I didn't want to believe them. Ultimately I was incredibly disappointed to find out that they were true. I also felt that Anthony Wiener was one of the true progressives calling out the right in congress. I was a big fan. I didn't want to believe the allegations against him. I was disappointed again. These things happen. Is it possible that Senator Franken is taking the best approach he can with the intention of seeing his innocence proved later? Sure. I'm not calling for his head. I'm not calling for his accuser's head either. It wouldn't be right.
As far as I'm concerned this site is engaged in a witch hunt right now. It needs to stop.
blimablam
(121 posts)Are you opposed to an investigation?
Are you not concerned about the inconsistencies and coincidences?
https://www.mediaite.com/online/i-loathe-al-franken-but-it-sure-seems-like-he-is-getting-totally-railroaded/
Hyper_Eye
(675 posts)An investigation would be handled with no predetermined conclusions. That is not what is happening on this site. If people here can't see that these actions mirror the approach the right takes to tear down their accusers then they have some serious blinders on. It's gross.
blimablam
(121 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)and judge for ourselves. We are not required to believe the same side right on each case or make the same conclusions.
ProfessorGAC
(64,960 posts)What's it like to be so far from correct? What's it like to be so out of touch withe facts?
No, really! I'd like to know!
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)pamdb
(1,332 posts)There are several pictures of this Leann person grabbing a guitar players butt, grabbing Robin Williams and kissing him and wrapping her leg around him and a wide angle shot of the infamous kiss by Al Franken. I wonder is her career is faltering and she needed a publicity "boost". Normally I would believe the woman but in her case....
WIDER SHOT!!! (Please note that they are not alone and this is rehearsal) pic.twitter.com/nnx0ae7HU3
9:46 PM - Nov 17, 2017
View image on Twitter
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blimablam
(121 posts)hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)Thanks!
blimablam
(121 posts)hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)Perhaps the inference is accurate, but we'd need to see clips of her talking about it.
blimablam
(121 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)She did with a panel asking for birth certificate. I have to dig it up. She is not very bright and just kind of agrees with everyone on the panel. She says just produce it !lla couple times.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Theres a video too , but she mostly just agrees with every one on panel. Why not produce it?blah blah
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)blimablam
(121 posts)I haven't listened to it all yet so I don't know what she's presenting yet
https://m.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Interesting in 2011 she also says Trump is brilliant and who knows how far hell go
Her birther talk is at 16:00. approx.
blimablam
(121 posts)womanofthehills
(8,686 posts)In the video she also says "Trump is brilliant." Basically, she just says he needs to show his birth certificate.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)that will come out during an investigation. . Is it possible she is lying and this is a political hit job? Yes it is. Those are things that will come out during an investigation."
In the meantime, let's drag his name through the mud???
Hyper_Eye
(675 posts)As quoted from further down in my post: "Is it possible that Senator Franken is taking the best approach he can with the intention of seeing his innocence proved later? Sure. I'm not calling for his head. I'm not calling for his accuser's head either. It wouldn't be right."
This is the reality of a situation like this. She made a claim, provided evidence even to substantiate part of it, and he apologized. Then he did the key thing... he called for an investigation. That's exactly what should happen. In the process he may be exonerated. At that time I am sure he will explain that his apology was really about the poor taste in the joke displayed in the picture and that he wanted to be respectful and not attack his accuser. Or it could go the other way. If that happens the people here who have been attacking this woman will feel no shame. They will just refuse to believe it. Sounds a lot like another group of people I know of. We are supposed to be better than this.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)womanofthehills
(8,686 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Might be a dead end. He is refusing to elaborate or answer any questions.
blimablam
(121 posts)GP6971
(31,133 posts)are not permitted to comment (at least it was that way when I was in).
former9thward
(31,963 posts)An escort officer does not follow people into the bathroom. That comment was a obvious give away.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Leeann said it was taken late at night Xmas Eve on the long trip home. The data says it was taken on 12/21. In addition, Franken staffer Andy wrote on his blog andygoestoiraq about the USO tour, says they left on 12/23 for long trip home, and arrived home in US 12/24. He was with Franken the entire tour. So she was wrong about that. Data says it was taken 5pm. (If photo was by professional military photographer he would have accurate time, if by amateur maybe not. They are trying to find who took photo). Andy says they flew from Iraq to Afghanistan that day (about 3 hours?) Why would she be sound asleep at 5pm?
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)If she was on the 17 hour flight home? And in a jump seat and not the comfy seats in other picture of plane? How can she remember every tiny gross detail about the kiss yet be totally wrong about date and circumstances of the pretend groping photo?
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womanofthehills
(8,686 posts)unless some photo shopping was going on to make Al's hands look closer to her breasts. Also, why is Al's finger chopped off at tip in the pic?
benld74
(9,904 posts)Reputable reporter needs to send this OUT
For ALL to see
blimablam
(121 posts)"It wasnt until I was back in the US and looking through the CD of photos we were given by the photographer that I saw this one:
I couldnt believe it. He groped me, without my consent, while I was asleep.
I felt violated all over again. Embarrassed. Belittled. Humiliated.
How dare anyone grab my breasts like this and think its funny?"
This is for my question #2. She lied about the photo. Franken did NOT touch her or even the Flak vest. You can see the shadows of his fingers on her. This is what got me investigating the rest of the story.
Got another question about the story now as well.
Where are the rest of the photos that were given to the rest of the USO group from this photographer?
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Joy Behar asked her pointedly what about the other people next to you on the plane, and the one who took photo, are you mad at them?
LeeAnn got a funny look and changed the subject to Weinstein and the culture. Never answered.
VMA131Marine
(4,137 posts)In one of the statements by Leeann Tweeden she says (paraphrasing) "I felt like he wrote the kissing scene just so he would have an excuse to kiss me." That to tour was in 2006. There is a version of the skit from a 2003 USO tour in on of the videos that have been posted where Al is doing the scene with Karri Turner (J.A.G.). After the kiss she says to Al "I think you wrote that skit just so you would get to kiss me." This is the lead-in to inviting one of the military personnel in attendance up to the stage to repeat the scene with Karri. So the scene had existed for at least 3 years before Tweeden was in it and it can hardly be coincidence that she repeats an accusation that is part of the skit itself. This whole thing stinks!
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Despite what Leeann said, the skit was not written for her, as Franken was doing the same skit with another actress years prior.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or so it seems.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)lark
(23,083 posts)Pisses me off how some are posting pictures of her in other venues that had nothing at all to do with Franken, in essece "slut shaming" her, that is so wrong. These are pertinent facts to her story (lies?) about Franken and why I think it was a planned partisan hit to take the focus off Moore and orange assface.