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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:24 PM Nov 2017

How to Tell If You're a Supertaster

Last edited Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:21 PM - Edit history (1)

http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/how-to-tell-if-youre-a-supertaster

Most humans can be placed into three major categories of tasters—nontasters, tasters, and supertasters, roughly in the ratio of 25 percent: 50 percent: 25 percent. There is also a small percentage (less than 1 percent) of humanity categorized in a super-supertaster category. Supertasters are mostly women, and people of European ancestry are usually not supertasters. So what exactly is a supertaster? You might think that a supertaster would have a lot of fun eating and drinking, but it’s more like the opposite. Because supertasters experience tastes more intensely than nontasters and tasters, the effects of different tastes detected by tongues of supertasters are amplified relative to the nontasters and tasters. Super-supertasters have it even worse than supertasters. Taste is a good case of “more is not better.”

The best way to describe the differences between the categories of tasting is to take one of my favorite beverages to taste—beer—and explain how each of the categories of tasting will respond to this beverage. The Master Brewers Association of the Americas recommend what is called the American Society of Brewing Chemists flavor wheel to help its members assess the taste of their brews. The flavor wheel was created by a coauthor of Sensory Evaluation Techniques, first published in the 1970s and now in its fifth edition. Morten Meilgaard, a professor of the senses and how to measure them, created the taste wheel to lend a more quantitative aspect to beer tasting.



The taste wheel is quite complex and has gone through many iterations since Meilgaard created it, but it does focus on the complexities of the perception of beer. Examples of the more than 100 possible categories of taste include grapefruit, caramel, farmyard, funky, burnt tire, and baby sick/diapers (which I hope never to taste). It is safe to say that these tastes are the result of many factors, but they all emanate from the very simple contents of beer. In fact, to protect the simple contents of beer, in 1516 Germans created the Bavarian Beer Purity Law, or Reinheitsgebot. The purity law forbids any beverage labeled “beer” to be made with anything but hops, water, and barley. Although yeast is needed in brewing, it is a microbe, and was obviously not recognized as an ingredient 500 years ago. So, the modern concept of taste in most classical beers comes from only four ingredients. The most interesting aspect of the taste of beer, at least to me, comes from the hops and the sugars in the brew, and of course the alcohol that is the product of fermentation implemented by yeast on the sugars from grain.

Although beer is probably several millennia old, hops have been a part of brewing beer for a little more than a millennium. Its widespread use began in the last 800 years in Germany and was cemented in brewing technology with the invention of India pale ale (IPA) in the early to mid 19th century. With the modern advent of microbreweries and the development of custom-made hoppy beers such as the many IPAs that are on the market, this beverage becomes one that has a wide range of bitterness. It might be surprising to note that hops were first used as a preservative in beers. The bitter taste from hops is an afterthought. The manipulation of hops today as an integral ingredient in producing craft beers makes for some pretty wildly hoppy beers. (All of which I enjoy immensely, making me more than likely a normal taster.)
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How to Tell If You're a Supertaster (Original Post) steve2470 Nov 2017 OP
Women have much more developed taste buds, generally. sandensea Nov 2017 #1
I accidentally bought coconut almond milk & made potato soup with it. CrispyQ Nov 2017 #3
There you have it. sandensea Nov 2017 #4
That does sound... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #30
I might be; I don't like beer at all because it's so bitter. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #2
Wow. Same here. ananda Nov 2017 #31
i am a supertaster, but obviously diff. i love onions & most of the cabbage family, pansypoo53219 Nov 2017 #36
All sorts of additives were used to brew grain alcohols before hops. hunter Nov 2017 #5
I know I cannot stand cilantro. Anyone else? cwydro Nov 2017 #6
I adore cilantro - grow my own malaise Nov 2017 #7
See? Isnt that funny? My friends think Im nuts. cwydro Nov 2017 #12
That's supposedly genetic Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #19
wow that's just...stupid...the incident about mac v. pc.... steve2470 Nov 2017 #21
Lol. cwydro Nov 2017 #22
Phenolphthalein paper, IIRC. 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #32
Yes, it's genetic LeftInTX Nov 2017 #34
I read somewhere that there is a specific gene that causes the soapy cilantro taste-- Mrs. Overall Nov 2017 #9
I know, I read that too. cwydro Nov 2017 #10
I hate cilantro MrScorpio Nov 2017 #23
Ginger is a Jamaican staple malaise Nov 2017 #25
I can take it only in small doses. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #11
Omg, so glad to hear another sufferer cwydro Nov 2017 #16
I have a sister-in-law who hates it malaise Nov 2017 #26
It literally tastes like dish soap to me. cwydro Nov 2017 #28
Someone suggested that avocado pear tastes like soap malaise Nov 2017 #29
There's a percentage of the population (4-14%) Codeine Nov 2017 #13
Its horrible to me. cwydro Nov 2017 #15
It's become unavoidable. Codeine Nov 2017 #17
I have to pick it out if it shows up. cwydro Nov 2017 #18
You can avoid it in Mexican food, but Vietnamese food takes it to another level. LeftInTX Nov 2017 #35
I have an extreme aversion.. soap. defacto7 Nov 2017 #33
Tastes worse than soap to me. You are not alone stevenleser Nov 2017 #38
I wonder how diet soda fits in kcr Nov 2017 #8
Diet soda is appallingly bad. Codeine Nov 2017 #14
Ive never been a soda drinker, so not an issue for me. cwydro Nov 2017 #20
I'm not either, but the diet soda drinkers in my life are hooked like coffee drinkers. kcr Nov 2017 #24
I used to be hooked on Diet Coke, almost as bad as your husband. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #37
Yep, I was too. Now I dont drink any carbonated beverages. stevenleser Nov 2017 #40
Diet soda is nasty malaise Nov 2017 #27
It takes 3 weeks of only drinking diet soda and not having any refined sugar stevenleser Nov 2017 #39

sandensea

(21,621 posts)
1. Women have much more developed taste buds, generally.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:27 PM
Nov 2017

My girlfriend can rattle off every detail, nouance, and bouquet of a Malbec. To me, a red wine is a red wine.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
3. I accidentally bought coconut almond milk & made potato soup with it.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:46 PM
Nov 2017

Retch! It was awful. My husband couldn't taste the coconut at all & saved the day.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
2. I might be; I don't like beer at all because it's so bitter.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 04:45 PM
Nov 2017

I also loathe some other foods because they taste unbearably bitter to me: especially onions and most cruciform vegetables (cauliflower, cabbage, especially Brussels sprouts). On the other hand, my ancestry is entirely European, so maybe I'm just a picky eater.

ananda

(28,856 posts)
31. Wow. Same here.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:25 PM
Nov 2017

I have never liked onions; and I'm now violently
allergic to them for some reason.

Can't stand Brussels sprouts, cabbage, or cauliflower
either.

pansypoo53219

(20,969 posts)
36. i am a supertaster, but obviously diff. i love onions & most of the cabbage family,
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:41 PM
Nov 2017

hate bitter + beer. love vinegar, but heat PAIN!

hunter

(38,309 posts)
5. All sorts of additives were used to brew grain alcohols before hops.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:25 PM
Nov 2017

Brewing with fruits is a lot more forgiving than brewing with grains.

Without an additive like hops, grain brews can go horribly wrong in many ways, resulting in something undrinkable and thus a waste of grain, or worse, becoming something toxic.

In ancient Egypt beer was part of the workers' rations. If workers got sick or died because the beer was bad, that was trouble. Brewers who screwed up could be executed.

In Germany hops were among the most reliable additives so that became law for two reasons, the first to protect brewing monopolies, but also because some additives other than hops, mostly various herbs, had toxic properties when consumed regularly, including a few that exacerbated the problem of violent drunks.

malaise

(268,887 posts)
7. I adore cilantro - grow my own
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:32 PM
Nov 2017

We use it in curries and in salads - it has a 'lemonish' taste. What soap is that?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
12. See? Isnt that funny? My friends think Im nuts.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:44 PM
Nov 2017

It tastes like dish soap to me.

I wish it didn’t. It’s in everything.

Denzil_DC

(7,227 posts)
19. That's supposedly genetic
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:52 PM
Nov 2017
(HuffPo link, but I believe it's genuine science.)

I have only experienced bitterness of the like between cilantro-lovers (I'm one) and cilantro-haters in a context like Mac vs. PC.

Actually, Mac vs. PC was worse - a couple of guys agreed on a music forum to meet up in a pub car park after dark at a certain date and time and settle their differences over the two platforms mano a mano. We never heard from either of them afterward.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
21. wow that's just...stupid...the incident about mac v. pc....
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:55 PM
Nov 2017

Live and let live must be a foreign concept to them. Just too stupid.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
22. Lol.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:57 PM
Nov 2017

It’s like the tongue rolling thing.

Can you or can’t you?

Couple of other taste tests I remember from middle school, but cilantro was not one of them.

3catwoman3

(23,970 posts)
32. Phenolphthalein paper, IIRC.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:33 PM
Nov 2017

About 75% of the population can taste its bitter flavor. I suspect there is much more genetic involvement in taste than we currently know. Why do we like or not like something? Hard to explain - we just do or we just don't.

I despise bananas, liver, and acorn squash.

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
9. I read somewhere that there is a specific gene that causes the soapy cilantro taste--
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:39 PM
Nov 2017

You are either genetically programmed to like cilantro or not.

Ginger and goat milk/cheese also fall into this category of genetic likes/dislikes in terms of taste.

malaise

(268,887 posts)
25. Ginger is a Jamaican staple
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:05 PM
Nov 2017

you know how long someone has lived here when they stop complaining about ginger in everything and demand ginger in almost everything

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
16. Omg, so glad to hear another sufferer
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:47 PM
Nov 2017

I know there are others, but it’s tiresome to keep explaining.

malaise

(268,887 posts)
29. Someone suggested that avocado pear tastes like soap
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:12 PM
Nov 2017

I love avocado as well, but I grew up eating it.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
17. It's become unavoidable.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:48 PM
Nov 2017

It's in everything. I'm not fond of it but I can deal; eating at Chipotle with the family forced me to come to terms with it.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. I have to pick it out if it shows up.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:52 PM
Nov 2017

I don’t order out much, but my favorite place is a Vietnamese place close by.

They know me now, but still I end up with that soap on my food1

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
33. I have an extreme aversion.. soap.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:34 PM
Nov 2017

Julia Child also tasted soap in cilantro. She refused to cook with it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. Tastes worse than soap to me. You are not alone
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:41 PM
Nov 2017

I really wish this wasn’t the case because it seems every restaurant is throwing cilantro into everything these days.

Apparently between 5-10% of us have a genetic desposition to hating the taste of Cilantro.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
8. I wonder how diet soda fits in
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:36 PM
Nov 2017

I can't stand it. I hear diet soda drinkers complain they just can't stand how sweet regular soda is. To them, diet just tastes less sweet. But to me, it's just as sweet with a rotten bitter aftertaste.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
14. Diet soda is appallingly bad.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:45 PM
Nov 2017

Easier just to give up soda completely than choke down that vile shit.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. Ive never been a soda drinker, so not an issue for me.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 05:54 PM
Nov 2017

If I drink a coke every once in a long while...it has to be the Mexican coke. Real sugar, not high fructose syrup crap.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
24. I'm not either, but the diet soda drinkers in my life are hooked like coffee drinkers.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 06:05 PM
Nov 2017

My husband will legit panic at the mere thought of no diet coke in the house. I don't know if that happens with any regular soda drinkers, but I imagine it does. I'm a coffee drinker, myself.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
37. I used to be hooked on Diet Coke, almost as bad as your husband.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:41 PM
Nov 2017

It was a hard habit to break, but I realized a lot of it was the carbonation. It got a lot easier get off it when I switched to seltzer.

From what I understand, regular soda can be addictive, too. I know of people who drink several cans per day. Some of it's the sugar, although with cola and Mt. Dew drinkers, they're likely addicted to the caffeine, as well.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
40. Yep, I was too. Now I dont drink any carbonated beverages.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:45 PM
Nov 2017

It was hard breaking the diet soda thing.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
39. It takes 3 weeks of only drinking diet soda and not having any refined sugar
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:44 PM
Nov 2017

After that, your tastebuds become hard wired to liking the diet soda and not liking the non-diet version due to it tasting too sweet.

Those three weeks are bad but then that’s it.

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