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NRA says...&@@&&@_@&@&&$))$)()(;(;;;:::;)0987%) (Original Post) pbmus Nov 2017 OP
Agree 100%. Gun-strokers will counter with crud like quill pens were Hoyt Nov 2017 #1
Yeah and we had slaves women couldn't own property. flamin lib Nov 2017 #2
The 2A isn't the problem hack89 Nov 2017 #3
Yup ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #8
92% isn't enough? smh shanny Nov 2017 #28
UBCs are a state issue. hack89 Nov 2017 #29
I'm damn close sharp_stick Nov 2017 #4
Right on.... pbmus Nov 2017 #5
That's the beauty of solutions divorced from reality hack89 Nov 2017 #6
If you can't hit Bambi in 7 shots aeromanKC Nov 2017 #17
I really dont see what that has to do with it. Hangingon Nov 2017 #37
Hey there's an idea!! aeromanKC Nov 2017 #42
I dont know much about Gus but I want to ban him. whopis01 Nov 2017 #48
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #7
I suggest you first read Heller. hack89 Nov 2017 #9
they were combined in the second amendment so they must be important Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #11
So why is there no case law to that effect? hack89 Nov 2017 #14
Perhaps because I haven't presented it yet to the Supreme Court Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #19
What part of the 2d ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #10
the milita comes first Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #12
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State.... George II Nov 2017 #13
Said no US court ever. Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #15
Perhaps it is time Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #21
Heller won't be overturned anytime soon. Nt hack89 Nov 2017 #25
doesn't mean it can't be Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #34
The right says the same about Roe. hack89 Nov 2017 #38
Interpretation has always been the issue WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2017 #16
Guns are regulated hack89 Nov 2017 #27
"A well regulated militia" is like our National Guard or reserves IronLionZion Nov 2017 #18
What is wrong with a third line?? Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #20
Many gun owners are not the type who should be defending our country IronLionZion Nov 2017 #23
Perhaps if they have no level of responsibility and discipline they should not have guns Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #31
Its about defending the states not the country. Xipe Totec Nov 2017 #44
As a volunteer veteran tazkcmo Nov 2017 #36
Licensed gun ownets, regardless avebury Nov 2017 #30
What kind of gun is that in the poster? A variation of an M-60? aikoaiko Nov 2017 #22
Hey OP! You don't know all the models of fancy awesome guns! (Sarcasm) sharedvalues Nov 2017 #35
Those are not shared values. Only a few extremists want to ban all guns except single shots. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #39
Gun restriction values shared by the whole West except the US. And by every peace-loving American sharedvalues Nov 2017 #41
And what other countries in the West have banned everything except single shots? aikoaiko Nov 2017 #46
Looks like a M249 Fla_Democrat Nov 2017 #45
I think you're right. The handle on top is weird. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #47
Drop the "maybe". mahannah Nov 2017 #24
+2,369,369,256,258,247 Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #26
YES. Allow single-shot hunting rifles only. Ban all other guns. Ban handguns. Ban semi-automatics sharedvalues Nov 2017 #32
What do you expect when the NRA LakeArenal Nov 2017 #33
2nd amendment, 1st Amendmet guss Nov 2017 #40
What were the laws regarding car insurance in the 18th century? colorado_ufo Nov 2017 #43
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Agree 100%. Gun-strokers will counter with crud like quill pens were
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:56 PM
Nov 2017

used back then, citizens should be able to buy and carry many guns similar to those used by military, white wing racist militias and sympathizes need these rifles, most gunz available to gun-bumpers are semi-auto (even though they can kill plenty of people in a few seconds or minutes), and similar BS.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
2. Yeah and we had slaves women couldn't own property.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:57 PM
Nov 2017

All that's changed and even the most backward, ignorant and bigoted idiots understand it even if they don't like it.

Time the necroguniacs came to terms with the realities of modern life.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
3. The 2A isn't the problem
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 07:57 PM
Nov 2017

Few gun control laws are unconstitutional. AWBs, registration, magazine limits, training requirements, limits on open carry are all perfectly constitutional.

Time to stop blaming the 2A and start building popular support.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
8. Yup
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:17 PM
Nov 2017

Nothing stopping Congress from passing tougher gun control laws, other than it doesn’t want to.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
29. UBCs are a state issue.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:31 PM
Nov 2017

It is questionable that the federal government can mandate them. My state has them - I think they are a good idea.

The problem with the gun control movement is they always bundle UBCs with gun bans. That is why they don't get passed. If they were to propose UBCs and leave it at that then they might pass.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
4. I'm damn close
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:07 PM
Nov 2017

to asking for a complete ban on all semi-auto weapons. You don't need that to hunt or even defend your house.

I say this as someone who strangely really enjoys shooting in all its ways.

Hangingon

(3,071 posts)
37. I really dont see what that has to do with it.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

There is this big assumption that semi-auto and automatic weapons are for poor marksMen. I have never seen any proof of it. But then, most of the people who say that really don’t seem to know much about Gus except that they want to ban them.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
42. Hey there's an idea!!
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:09 PM
Nov 2017

What a brilliant idea to ban assault weapons. I wonder if any other civilized sane country has had that idea..?? I think you may be on to something there.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
7. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:17 PM
Nov 2017

As I read this it means the government can call up all gun owners

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. I suggest you first read Heller.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:19 PM
Nov 2017

Militia service has nothing to do with gun ownership. But then it never has through out US history.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
11. they were combined in the second amendment so they must be important
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:53 PM
Nov 2017

I stated my opinion
militia comes first so the second part relies on the first part

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. So why is there no case law to that effect?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:58 PM
Nov 2017

Shouldn't there be plenty of historical examples where laws actually doing that were enacted? When in our history has private gun ownership independent of militia service not been the norm?

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
10. What part of the 2d
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:26 PM
Nov 2017

Limits gun ownership to militia members? I thought it protected the right of “the people” to own firearms.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State....
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:56 PM
Nov 2017

....the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Without the militia, the "people" have no right to bear arms.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
38. The right says the same about Roe.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

Been saying it for most of my life. SC takes precedence very seriously.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
16. Interpretation has always been the issue
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 08:59 PM
Nov 2017

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To me, that means we not only have the right to regulate firearms, we have a constitutional mandate to do so. Others will not see that at all. I personally see absolutely NO reason for military style weapons in the hands of the public, others feel the 2nd Amendment is there to protect us from an over reaching government, as opposed to a foreign invader. It's kind of like the old adage about blind men examining an elephant and describing it...one thought it was like a wall, another like a snake, etc.

This works for me:

hack89

(39,171 posts)
27. Guns are regulated
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:26 PM
Nov 2017

There are thousands of federal, state and local gun laws. The fact that you think they need to be stricter doesn't change that fundamental fact.

IronLionZion

(45,430 posts)
18. "A well regulated militia" is like our National Guard or reserves
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:01 PM
Nov 2017

back in 1776 there was no standing army. Normal people would be called upon to serve to defend against foreign armies.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
20. What is wrong with a third line??
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:08 PM
Nov 2017

Having a gun commits you to be subject to a call-up to defend your country
I do not have a problem with this, do you??

IronLionZion

(45,430 posts)
23. Many gun owners are not the type who should be defending our country
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:21 PM
Nov 2017

nor would they want to. Military service requires some level of responsibility and discipline.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
36. As a volunteer veteran
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:41 PM
Nov 2017

I have met many gun owners I would not want to serve in the military with. Many.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
30. Licensed gun ownets, regardless
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:33 PM
Nov 2017

of age, should be the first to be drafted for a Republican initiated war. Starting with Don Jr. and Eric Trump.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
22. What kind of gun is that in the poster? A variation of an M-60?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:16 PM
Nov 2017



Our laws are 21st century - by definition.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
35. Hey OP! You don't know all the models of fancy awesome guns! (Sarcasm)
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:41 PM
Nov 2017

Remember, OP:

If you don't know more about gun models than any gun nut, you have NO IDEA how well they can kill people!

If it were the 80s, you'd have no right to be in favor of banning cigarettes for causing cancer unless you knew every detail of filters, menthols, brands, flavors, and tar variants. After all, you must be an EXPERT to have any valid opinion about how cigarettes/guns KILL PEOPLE.


------------------

That was sarcasm.

We should reject the pro-gun distraction that is often raised, about some detail of some gun model, whenever anyone makes an argument.

Here's all the average American needs to know:
Today's guns can kill a lot of people.
You and I don't want people killed.
Therefore, we want all guns banned, except single-shot hunting rifles.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
39. Those are not shared values. Only a few extremists want to ban all guns except single shots.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

It was a serious question about the gun in the poster. I can't identify it.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
41. Gun restriction values shared by the whole West except the US. And by every peace-loving American
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:05 PM
Nov 2017

It's only the US that is gun-crazy. And we're gun-crazy because we let our politics be overrun by money, and gun manufacturers bought the NRA and the GOP. (And also because the GOP sees gun identity politics as helpful in getting votes for billionaires.)

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
46. And what other countries in the West have banned everything except single shots?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:31 PM
Nov 2017


This is what you said and used the pronoun we:

Here's all the average American needs to know:
Today's guns can kill a lot of people.
You and I don't want people killed.
Therefore, we want all guns banned, except single-shot hunting rifles.




Who is we, notsosharedvalues?

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
47. I think you're right. The handle on top is weird.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:41 PM
Nov 2017

It appears to connect the detachable barrel with the rest of the gun which sort of defeats the purpose of a quick change barrel.

guss

(239 posts)
40. 2nd amendment, 1st Amendmet
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 09:58 PM
Nov 2017

2nd Amendment is Held Close, Do not take my guns away!!
1st Amendment.. now, STFU and never Question the 2nd amendment and anyone who supports it.
Money and power supports one, and Money and Power destroying the other.

colorado_ufo

(5,733 posts)
43. What were the laws regarding car insurance in the 18th century?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 10:21 PM
Nov 2017

Oh that's right there weren't any cars. Some things that applied then do not apply now and vice versa. It makes no sense not to regulate these high-powered weapons!

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