Fuck Susan Sarandon: If she'd (Hillary) won, we'd be at war

[VermontKevin]

Susan Sarandon at 71 is bright-eyed and airy, and perhaps shyer than she can publicly seem. When I walk into the room – a private members’ club in downtown New York, where she sits with a small dog at her feet – she doesn’t say hello or make eye-contact, giving what I suspect is a false impression of rudeness. It may also be that she is uncertain of her reception. For a long time Sarandon was despised by the right, her protests against the Vietnam war and US aggression in Nicaragua and Iraq making her the kind of target that, for progressives, is an affirmation of sorts. Her latest unpopularity, by contrast, comes exclusively from the left and is much tougher on Sarandon. “I’m not attacked from the right at all,” she will tell me. Instead, she is accused of not checking her white privilege, of throwing away her vote on a third-party candidate (the independent Jill Stein) during the US presidential election, and of recklessly espousing a political cause that let Trump in through the backdoor. Liberals in the US, it seems, can summon more hatred for Sarandon right now than they can for Paul Ryan.

SNIP

“And then suddenly it became OK to say feminist,” she says now. “That’s been very recent. There was a period when that wasn’t really happening. So now there’s been an opportunity to include men as allies. And I have to say, I remember going to the ERA [Equal Rights Amendment] march where there were 100,000 women and we were going around talking to senators for this vote and I got on the elevator, and the women were like: ‘We’re going to show them what the fuck we want.’ And I kept saying: ‘Calm down, that’s not the way we’re going to get things done.’”

SNIP

Not exactly, but I don’t mind that quote,” she says. “I did think she was very, very dangerous. We would still be fracking, we would be at war [if she was president]. It wouldn’t be much smoother. Look what happened under Obama that we didn’t notice.”


It seems absurd to argue that healthcare, childcare, taxation for the non-rich wouldn’t be better now under President Clinton, and that’s before we get to the threat of deportation hanging over millions of immigrants. “She would’ve done it the way Obama did it,” says Sarandon, “which was sneakily. He deported more people than have been deported now. How he got the Nobel peace prize I don’t know. I think it was very important to have a black family in the White House and I think some of the stuff he did was good. He tried really hard about healthcare. But he didn’t go all the way because of big pharma.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/26/susan-sarandon-i-thought-hillary-was-very-dangerous-if-shed-won-wed-be-at-war

Bashing Democrats, pulling for a third party. Did she have any supporters here?

Looks like Queen Bravenak was right:

https://www.bet.com/celebrities/news/2017/09/28/susan-sarandon.html

[OKNancy]

1. She's an idiot.

The end

[VermontKevin]

4. She's an idiot with influence enough to spew to the extreme Left.

That's the problem.

[delisen]

2. Rich Person who wants to make life decisions for us

Sarandon's type of authoritarianism comes cloaked in a false benevolence.

[pandr32]

3. She's also a self acclaimed expert on feminism

...and presumes to tell women who have managed to organize and come together to demonstrate en masse to "calm down."

[VermontKevin]

5. Vomit-worthy.

[mercuryblues]

27. she has built the

feminists are bad and I alone can save them from themselves, strawman. Where have we heard this before?

[all american girl]

6. I guess she's has to say this bs to help her sleep at night

Fuck everyone else who's being hurt because of her stupid sexist crap. CHIP anyone. Where's the Revolution we were all promised? Why isn't she out in front...this is what she wanted. Nope, she sits in her lovely home, not worried or bothered what the republicans are doing to this country. Fuck SS...I have no time for her and anyone like her.

[VermontKevin]

7. Note that this article interview took place in a members only club.

In public spaces, she might not be so welcome.

[mercuryblues]

8. Fuck Susan Sarandon

She has the power and prestige that 99% of Americans do not. She has the access to not only healthcare, but the best healthcare in the world. She puts perfect over forward progress. Because of that her devotees have helped push America backwards a century. Those with no voice are used as weapons against those who have found their voice. She gets to sit in her glass house on top of the hill sneering at the people who needed healthcare, clean water, civil rights the most. Even worse, she blames them for wanting to put progress over her idea of perfection.

[SHRED]

9. Somebody ask the elephants

[lunamagica]

67. I hope she has seen this. I wish someone would make a life-size print of this and placed it

in front of her house.

[still_one]

10. She is off her f**king rocker, and why the media still covers her political views is beyond me

[radical noodle]

104. They do it to stir sh*t

There's nothing they love more.

[brush]

127. Yep, she's been loosing it for a while. Let's not forget she backed fu_king Nader too.

She's on of those who thinks she knows better than the rest of us — "trump will bring about the revolution quicker."

Well where the fuck is it, Sarandon, and why aren't you out in the streets leading the revolution you so wanted?

She's so full of it.

[yardwork]

11. I hate her. I literally hate her.

[uponit7771]

12. She's vested in her HRC opinion because if she is wrong about Hillary then she helped Red Don ...

... and she's not going to live with that.

At some point his becomes neurotic

[Justice]

25. Agree

[DFW]

26. That's pretty much how I saw it, too

Bravenak is quite vocal about her views on the subject (as she was about most any subject), but I certainly don't find any argument with her sentiments here.

Sarandon used a ladder to get to the attic, kicked the ladder away in a fit of righteousness, and now doesn't want to admit that she doesn't want to spend the rest of her life in the attic. It's better than begging someone to put the ladder back, she figures.

[Lucky Luciano]

49. I know some Bernie-or-Busters like that...and I was absolutely a Bernie guy...

...just not crazy like them.

[lapucelle]

13. Asshat. N/T

[dem4decades]

14. Dumber than dirt. nt

[maryellen99]

15. Plus she can afford to leave when SHTF nt

[Kingofalldems]

16. The old reverse. Now I get it.

[DURHAM D]

17. Bravenak's DU Profile

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=300456

Flagged Review in March.

[VermontKevin]

18. I follow her on Twitter. She retweets this site. I am surprised her strong voice

isn't accepted here.

[DURHAM D]

20. I am surprised you are surprised. nt

[VermontKevin]

23. Not really. Several people I follow on Twitter are pro-Hillary, exceedingly correct on

the extreme Left anti-heroes like Assange, Snowden, and Stein, are POC and no longer post here.

[TomVilmer]

79. I like her!

But I do believe USA is so f*cked up, that also Hillary Clinton would continue those silly wars. And even Bernie Sanders with all his peace talking would not be able to stop USA from its militarism, but his pressure on the Democratic Party might have helped us all a bit. Most of the stuff happening under Trump is just business as usual, but with very much added stupidity. Plus the bullsh*t economic ideas, the Republicans loves so much. And no, that Green lady is not my cup of tea either. Not much choice there...

[Kingofalldems]

19. OP just registered in July 2017.

Doesn't seem to add up.

[DURHAM D]

22. I don't understand your point. nt

[bettyellen]

31. Doesn't add up that Sarandon isn't out there talking about how environmental and ethics regulations

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Are now being ignored and it's a million times worse than "fracking" - which will be less regulated and dangerous now. We'd be at war? With who, Russia? That's what Putin wanted people to think. For fucks sake, Sarandon is an idiot. Why do you have an issue with the OP?

[VermontKevin]

34. Because no one likes being told they were wrong.

I think that's why women like Bravenak tend to get friction. Not only were they right, but they refused to sugarcoat it.

[bettyellen]

47. It's NOT running defense for Sarandon... why are some attacking the OP? Hate Dems much?

[melman]

48. Miss the point much?

[bettyellen]

51. Oh I get it. Some are trying to discredit the OP. Running D for Susan.

It's pretty transparent.

[melman]

52. No you certainly do not get it

[bettyellen]

53. Oh it adds up alright. LOL. Not fooling anyone.

It's a shame you're afraid of saying what you really think and have to resort to this crap. Go on, say it if you're so misunderstood. LOL

[melman]

54. No you really have no idea at all

Like all sane people, I couldn't give a single fuck about Susan Sarandon. She is completely irrelevant.

I'm talking about something completely different here. Which you obviously do not get.

[bettyellen]

55. Awww, you're so scared to say what you think. Come to a Sarandon thread because she is irrelevant to

You... how strange you stumbled in here just to be so terribly misunderstood. Poor you.

[melman]

57. Lol

How ridiculous. Scared of what? You? As if.

[bettyellen]

59. Scared of saying what you mean, obviously. So much fear.

[melman]

61. I don't know what you're on about

Really. I asked the OP a question. If you don't understand what the question is about that's not my problem.

For those that pay attention it should be clear.

[bettyellen]

62. You call defending Dems "a game", so yeah I get it. That's why you can't expound upon it.

It's more of a no-brainer than you realize.

[melman]

64. No that is absolutely not what I did

and lol @ the OP being a big Dem defender. Do you even read this board?

[bettyellen]

102. I do, and smearing members is against the rules. That's why you're playing possum.

And can't flat out say what you mean to.

[LanternWaste]

129. It would also be clear if one stopped cowering behind implication.

"For those that pay attention it should be clear..."
It would also be clear if one stopped cowering behind implication.

"If you don't understand what the question is about that's not my problem..."
It often is the fault of someone who is unable to express themselves with clarity. I can certainly understand why you would ignore that possibility, though.

[melman]

44. Oh it adds up all right

[lunamagica]

70. And? What doesn't seem to add up?

[still_one]

75. What doesn't "seem to add up". This story is all over the place this morning. I didn't just

register in 2017, so her is another link to the story:

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/i-think-she-was-very-dangerous-susan-sarandon-still-insists-we-would-be-at-war-if-hillary-beat-trump/

Does that make the story more accurate since I have been here for years?

[VermontKevin]

78. The defense of non-democrats on this board is puzzling.

[still_one]

112. It is a valid story. No ones authenticity should be questioned because of a valid story. In fact,

that could be interpreted as a TOS violation for implying that because someone is a new to DU, they shouldn't be trusted

[LanternWaste]

130. I'd allege it's puzzling as well if doing so assisted my narrative.

I'd allege it's puzzling as well if doing so assisted my narrative.

[VermontKevin]

135. I am the OP.

[Jakes Progress]

21. One of the more stupid jerks around.

Her lack of insight, intelligence, self-awareness, and sense of guilt is astonishing.

She vapidly falls for every russian/rw meme out there.

She's the kind of self-assured idiot that goes around thinking she's smart. You can't reach someone like that. They are so self absorbed that they simply can't contemplate the idea that they might be wrong. She is donald trump completely. Fuck everyone so long as I get the attention and whatever I want. She simply doesn't see other people's pain. She has none, so she doesn't see it in others.

The most telling line was "I'm not attacked from the right at all." And she remains too stupid to figure out why.

What a vapid ass.

[LiberalLovinLug]

86. This is such a knee jerk counter productive approach

The same "with us or with the terrorists" mentality that I thought Democrats, or at least more liberal thinkers, were above.

You are wrong on almost every statement you made.
She is not "stupid". She does not have a "lack of insight". She's been on the front lines of liberal causes for decades. She has complete "self awareness" of her actions, and has no reason to have a "sense of guilt" for saying what she believes. She hardly falls for "every russian/rw meme", her feminism and political stances on issues were set long before this last election. Russian memes worked on low information, already fox-primed, morons. "She is donald trump completely"? Way off the deep end there. And "She simply doesn't see other peoples pain"? That's why she's been protesting and fighting for the underprivileged her whole career? She didn't have to. She could have been like other stars who didn't want the grief. I think the "pain" you refer to is the butt hurt because she defied the acceptable behavior of someone who in the past seemed more cordial, more accepting of the status quo.

Look, you can say in your opinion, Sarandon should have just shut her mouth during the primaries, and after. Held her own beliefs inside so that someone she considered the best of the two evils won. "If you can't say anything nice..." But too bad so sad, she was a strong woman with strong opinions that the Democratic party needed, and needs still, more accountability with average and poor Americans. And that she believed "in some ways" a Clinton presidency may be worse. Obviously in many other ways a Trump presidency would be, and is, terrible, and she knows that. But she thought that a slow cooking of the frogs in the pot was "in some ways" worse than the shock of cranking the heat up to 11. She based that on watching Hillary. And the Iraq vote was the turning point, plus the flip flopping and pandering. Personally, I could see her point, and admired her for her principles, but disagreed that this was the time to abandon the Democratic party with such a despot waiting in the wings. She is obviously further left than the establishment Democratic party is comfortable with. But IMO we need to be pushed by these on the fringes to remind the party who it is supposed to be representing. And that there is room for improvement.

My gawd, the woman has a right to speak her mind. I find it almost amusing at the scrambling in here to jump over each other to make sure you get your licks in against this one solitary celebrity that dared to question authority, not just from the right, but from the left.

“Well, that’s why we’re going to lose again if we depend on the DNC [the Democratic National Committee]. Because the amount of denial ... I mean it’s very flattering to think that I, on my own, cost the election. That my little voice was the deciding factor.”

Is it upsetting to be attacked?

“It’s upsetting to me more from the point of view of thinking they haven’t learned. I don’t need to be vindicated.”


She's right, many haven't learned and are wringing their hands about any shred of criticism of their party, and the DNC, that has lost so badly in the last decade all across the country, and have become so conditioned to it that they recoil in horror when someone does. I find that kind of knee jerk reaction lazy and cowardly. Its amusing in a sad kind of way.

And sad that we can't have that kind of nuanced discussion in here. Where one can disagree with someones position, but respect where they are coming from. The "purity test" obviously goes both ways.

[lunamagica]

98. Yeah, she's so brilliant and insightful that she was lecturing Dolores Huerta about

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migrant workers rights, because you know, she is more knowledgeable about the issue than Dolores. It doesn't matter that for Dolores, migrant workers rights have been her life and her whole career, paying with hospital stays and broken bones, not "protesting" between movies roles.

She has been "fighting for the unprivileged for her whole career" So I guess we should give her a pass for earning millions being a model and spokesperson for L'oreal, a corporation that exploits the poorest children. Those kids should be grateful that susan "protests".

Principles? as long as they don't affect her pocketbook

[R B Garr]

109. +++yup, Sarandon should shut up and take some pointers from Huerta.

Huerta has an actual legacy of accomplishment. The boycott was far more effective to cripple capitalism and advance human/worker rights than anything -- anything -- that this current wave of whining and bitching about Democrats and corporations has accomplished. Sarandon is a fraud. STFU Susan.

[LiberalLovinLug]

119. This is so tiring

She's wealthy......so that must mean she is....greedy, and only cares about getting richer. She is above that threshold of earnings, no matter how modest a household she grew up in, to now be allowed any say in the politics of her country. And besides that its all faux concern for those 'beneath' her. Its all pretend. But I'd then ask why? Why would she open herself up to such abuse from both the right and now the left for people or causes she cares nothing for? Just logically this makes no sense, let alone emotionally or career wise.

I wonder how much Hillary was worth at the time? How rich is too rich to be taken seriously? Sorry but that is a dumb argument and totally derails your argument further.

And that video was in a room full of loud voices and passionate people. Everyone had to speak loud to be heard. But she was "shouting" at her? What I saw was Susan trying to get across how disappointed she was at Dolores' endorsement of Hillary in a loud raucous room. Reiterating why she felt that way. No she is not perfect. I disagreed with her not, in the end, endorsing the Democratic nominee eventually. But I admire that kind of passion from the left. And I think she is right on most issues. And is a brave voice in Hollywood. So sue me.

But I know this thread is not a friendly place for nuanced discussion. And I'll never win here. I just wanted to squeeze in an alternate view. But for some its black and white, us and them. Only now its us and them on the left as well. And Susan is a sinner who must be not only ostracized but hated for being an activist, that the camera followed because of her celebrity, and dared to openly wish for a more progressive leader than what was finally offered.

[lunamagica]

120. Wow, you really know how to twist things around. Who said she is despised for being rich?

Where in my post did I say something that you would interpret as my saying that Sarandon is too rich to be taken seriously?

How did I make a "dumb argument and totally derails your argument further.", when I never said such thing?

Perhaps you didn't understand the first time around, so here it goes again

Sarandon rails against corporations and presents herself as a champion of the poor and disadvantaged while she earns millions and millions of dollars (IRRC, 16 million), for being a model and spokesperson for L'oreal, a HUGE CORPORATION WHICH EXPLOITS CHILDREN. See the hypocrisy in that?

As for Dolores Huerta, I don't remember writing anything about shouting. What I said is that Susan had the gall to lecture Dolores about migrant workers rights. But since you mentioned the shouting, let me say that Dolores remained calm and composed, and didn't need to shout.

I hope the next time you reply to a post, you have read and understand it before replying by refuting arguments which were never made
.

[LiberalLovinLug]

121. I will apologize for going off about the being despised for being rich thing

And the shouting accusations. I was probably conflating others posts with yours. I wrongly assumed you were in agreement. What you do do though is imply she only cares about money and "protesting between movie roles".

And I said she is not perfect. No one is. Even Hillary:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511310239

L'Oreal's mica supplier in India is Merck.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/india-child-labour-mica-mineral-cosmetics
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Children-labour-to-bring-sparkle-to-make-up/articleshow/49318509.cms

Merck - ah Merck.

Merck pays the PODESTA GROUP to lobby for it in the US.

You may remember the Podesta Group as it's co-owned by Hillary's CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN.

The Podesta Group has also donated and bundled hundreds of grand for... you guessed it... Hillary Clinton.

Meaning that some of Hillary's campaign is paid for with profits from... Child slave labour...


In the Delores video she wasn't lecturing her about the intricacies of migrant labor history, she was pointing out how Hillary has not supported labor rights adequately in the past. Something she did know something about. And she is making sure to be heard. She was passionate about it and she persisted. If only more people, more celebrities, had that kind of passion for progressive politics.

My point was more about this silly attitude and cowardess in here to skirt around debating the social issues women like Sarandon bring up, instead of being caught up in character assassination in a desperate attempt to find blame. To see that even as Hillary, or Bernie, or Biden, or Obama etc.. is not all bad, nor all good, the same can be said of Sarandon. And IMO, she has done much more good than bad especially as an activist. She does not deserve such derision or disrespect IMO. This kind of piling on onto someone who has worked for the causes we all beleive in for decades, simply because she has a slightly more radical bent on the issues, is distasteful to me. That is all.

[Jakes Progress]

124. You don't sound like you have ever met her.

Have you ever spoken with her. If you had you would (if you are at all sentient) have noticed right away that she is not bright. She is easily tripped up by the most mundane issues of politics and governance. She is just a gadfly, trying to justify her celebrity.

She deserves every bit of the derision and disrespect being hurled at her. It became obvious after the election, that she was full of shit about her saying that Hillary was as bad or worse than trump. But she couldn't possibly admit that she was wrong, so she doubled down. She is not forceful; she is uninformed. Worse, she thinks she is on top of things. A few minutes with her and you can see that she is totally unaware of the pain that her views would cause so many. She espouses concern for the downtrodden and then seeks politics that will trod down on them more.

Ignorance can be forgiven. Arrogant ignorance belongs to asses.

[oasis]

106. The way Sarandon brow beat union activist, Dolores Huerta during

the primaries told me everything I needed to know about her.

Nothing screams "It's really all about me", like the disrespecting of a revered civil rights icon.

[obamanut2012]

113. lol

[Jakes Progress]

125. Counter productive is supporting the election of trump.

When you say you want to help people, but only back actions that will harm them is counter productive.

If she were as savvy and smart as you claim (do you know her at all) she would see the harm her actions can cause.

No. She is a gadfly, flaunting liberal beliefs while acting to the detriment of those whom liberals would succor. She is vain and lacks any indication of self-reflection. She is only interested in herself. Check with her former neighbors in New Mexico - the ones who don't belong to country clubs.

Her words here show it. She is flattered to think she affected the election. She thinks other people haven't learned. She is atrocious.

[lunamagica]

99. + a million!

[Martin Eden]

24. At war with whom?

She doesn't bother to mention that.

Saying Hillary was more dangerous than Trump is wildly off the rails. I can understand (though not agree with) people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for an establishment Dem who helped enable GW's invasion of Iraq, but Trump was a clear and present danger on so many fronts that keeping him from real power was an absolute necessity.

[delisen]

38. Same people often had no problem

voting for John Kerry, Joseph Biden, and John Edwards-even though each of these voted yes on the Iraq War resolution.

In fact Biden is still being championed by many of same as a great candidate for president in 2020 - scarcely a mention of his Iraq War Resolution vote.

Obama of course had not been in the Senate at the time of the IWR vote.

So since the Iraq War Resolution passed the Senate in 2002 every Democratic ticket for president and vice-president had either 2 candidates who voted for it or one candidate who voted for it and one who was not eligible to vote for it.

Anger of the so-called Democratic Left (I am not sure we actually have a viable left in the sense of an organized forward leaning cutting-edge movement) has focused much more on H Clinton than Biden, Kerry or Edwards.

[Martin Eden]

42. Regrettably, true.

Personally, I never have and never will vote for any of them in a Democratic primary. The IWR is an unforgivable litmus test for me.

[teamster633]

28. They had her traitorous ass on NPR Thanksgiving day.

She was doing a bit on "gratitude"...maybe taking her cue from SHS. Needless to say, I couldn't get to the off switch fast enough...

[ProfessorGAC]

29. A Major Nit To Pick

While I also agree on Sarandon and tended to like Bravenak's posts, we don't have kings and queens around here.
Just posters!

[emulatorloo]

36. Thats Bravenaks Twitter handle

“Queen Bravenak” is her Twitter name, so that’s why OP used that name.

[greatauntoftriplets]

37. "Queen Bravenak" was her Twitter handle for a while.

She's currently using this: "Bravenak Wonderbitch, Esq: Nazi Slayer".

[ProfessorGAC]

66. Thanks to Both Of You

I did not know that! Don't do Twitter

[greatauntoftriplets]

68. I don' t do it either, but she posts them on Facebook sometimes.

You're welcome.

[ProfessorGAC]

69. My Apologies To Her And Her Internet Friends!

My bad!

[greatauntoftriplets]

72. It's no problem.

If you don't see her tweets, there's no reason for you to know.

[Me.]

30. Shocked

Didn't think she was capable of carrying such a fake act off " she doesn’t say hello or make eye-contact"

[Sedona]

32. Yes! FUCK Susan Sarandon

Nt

[irisblue]

33. I enjoyed her acting, esp 'Bull Durham', her actions not so much. nt

[Bleacher Creature]

35. Here's where I stopped reading.

"When I walk into the room - a members’ club in downtown New York, where she sits with a small dog at her feet – she doesn’t say hello or make eye-contact, giving what I suspect is a false impression of rudeness.

[BadgerMom]

39. Never did care for her.

I’ll retire to my corner now, patting myself on the back.

[Gothmog]

40. How cares what Sarandon thinks?

[Orrex]

41. Damn it, Janet!

[mcar]

45. She is an idiot

F her.

[ismnotwasm]

46. Shes getting the pushback she deserves

Such an asshole. A JPR hero though

[shanny]

50. Move.On.

[GaryCnf]

56. Yes

In between the incessant moaning about an insignificant character in our 2016 debacle and the none too subtle digs at site admin for Bravenak's well-deserved FFR status, I am having trouble seeing anything constructive here.

[ismnotwasm]

92. What an interesting comment

I hadn’t realized you followed what Bravenek does or even DU prior to July of this year.

[GaryCnf]

96. What an interesting reply

If you had crawled all of my past posts instead of just my profile you would know that real people in the real world have real friends.

[ismnotwasm]

115. Well of course they do

Bless your hearts

[GoCubsGo]

58. This woman lives in some bizarre alternate reality.

Time to stop giving her the attention she wants.

[nocalflea]

60. Special place in hell...

Of course she's not attacked by the alt-right, she's playing the same game they are. Just another propaganda spewing facist who would sell out our heritage for some mythical revolution. I expected her to start chanting "lock her up" during the interview.

[shenmue]

63. Bravenak in 2020

[lunamagica]

65. And they want us to move on? Really? That vomit-inducing piece of garbage doesn't deserve a break

[shanny]

91. dunno who "they" are, but i for one wonder

why anybody lets susan sarandon rent space in his/ her head.

[lunamagica]

95. Obviously, "they" are those who are telling us to move on. "They" are those who won't own up

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to agreeing with Sarandon, so they criticize those of us who despise her, or take little jabs like "I for one wonder why anybody lets susan sarandon rent space in his/ her head." In an effort to silence us about her.

She is given a platform to spew her stupidity, so as long as she keeps doing this she is fair game, and deserves the same scorn as anyone who campaigned against Hillary. We won't forget.

[Mike Nelson]

71. Dear Susan...

...Hillary was always a progressive - she and Bill and Obama governed from the middle - that's government. By the way, Susan, darling... sweetheart Susan - WE ARE ALREADY AT WAR!

[Takket]

73. she's an idiot "both sides are the same" troll. She should be muzzled.

[Puzzledtraveller]

94. Well, would we not be at war still if we won?

I don't think anything on that front is going to change, the fact is there are industries that make damn well sure that we will be at war no matter who is in the WH.

[jmowreader]

74. When I hear big pharma I reach for my revolver

Are we supposed to have “small pharma”? Seriously.

I love some of these guys...”but we can just use cannabis to treat everything, or we could if it was legal...but it’s illegal because Big Pharma can’t patent cannabis.” BS on three counts. Cannabis is no antibiotic, for one thing. The theory BP can’t patent weed is laughable; you can definitely patent developments in plant genetics, and cannabis is very easy to do genetics on. And seriously...drug companies are in business to make money, and if they could make money selling cannabis they would sell cannabis. Weed is still illegal because a bag of weed sold is a bottle of vodka that is not, and the vodka lobby is good at its work.

[Old Crank]

76. Just in case no one noticed..... (susan S.)

We are at war, right now.... In multiple countries and continents.

[LenaBaby61]

80. "We are at war, right now.... In multiple countries and continents."

Wait, didn't HILLARY start those wars like Sarandon said she would?

Or ....

Maybe those rose-colored glassed are clouding her view and she can't SEE that we're in wars all around the globe.

Or ...

Maybe she's an elitist, Hillary-hating purity fool whose as dumb as a 10 bags of hammers


Or ...

ALL of the above?

[DinahMoeHum]

77. Planet. Schmanet. Janet.

&t=34s

[JHan]

81. ok I'm going to depart from my own views a bit on Susan..

As much as I can't take her, I think the intense dislike of her inflates her ego when she's undeserving of the attention considering her ignorance. Her views should make her inconsequential yet she remains relevant. I'm okay with calling out silliness, but I have Sarandon fatigue.

And she's just plain wrong, if not stupid. Susan for all her activism, isn't aware that the U.S is at war as we speak? Don't drone strikes, special operations in Niger ( FFS where has she been over the past couple months) count as "war" anymore?

And then there's the reality: America has so many layered involvements in world affairs, pacts and alliances and treaties - has Susan ever articulated a way for the United States to abandon those agreements without repercussions? It's great for armchair observers to pontificate about foreign affairs and harp on about Hillary and obama and whoever else, without ever being asked to provide alternate solutions that aren't platitudes while blissfully untouched and unaffected by the real world considerations and pressure brought to bear on "national security" experts on a daily basis.

[VermontKevin]

83. I agree she unworthy of attention, yet she appears in the Guardian pushing a false narrative.

It needs to be pushed back on.

[JHan]

85. I agree it's frustrating...made worse by the fact her bullshit is rarely challenged in interviews.

[Lotusflower70]

82. Screw that

Susan Sarandon is absolutely ridiculous on so many levels. She cares about no one but herself. She laughingly dismissed women telling their stories about Weinstein. All her nonsense on Assange and Snowden. This was just an opportunity for her to get attention. She drips on condescencion and she oozes contempt for working people. She is completely anti-woman.

[JHan]

87. I picked up on her dismissive tone re Weinstein.

and you're completely right in the main. ++++

[aikoaiko]

84. Queen Bravenak? Is that her handle now?

I remember when she was feeling positive about Jill Stein when her Bernie Sanders interest faded. Of course she eventually abandoned Jill Stein.

I miss her and all of her complexities here at DU.

Time for a general amnesty for longtime members who succumbed to 2016 election purging.

[VermontKevin]

90. It was a few days ago. I missed the new handle. She's a great asset to Twitter.

[ProfessorGAC]

103. I'd Be Good With That Idea, Aikoaiko!

Time wounds all heels, or something like that. (Thanks to Todd Rundgren for that spoonerism.)

[TexasTowelie]

105. I'm usually wary about mentioning anything related to forum moderation,

but I do no want to see another amnesty.

Skinner gave a blanket amnesty in June of last year so the banned members were already provided a second chance. The new rules were stated and for better or worse people were either FFR'd or PPR'd because they violated those rules. I don't see why the banned members should be provided a third chance to be divisive because they most likely will be banned again since they failed to learn anything during the previous amnesty.

Yes, there were some that were targeted (that supported both political campaigns), but those members also painted the targets on themselves. DU still remains divisive and I don't miss the "contribution" of flame-bait threads that serve little purpose besides agitate and infuriate.

When young children misbehave responsible parents step up to stop the undesired behavior--they don't tell the children to resume the bad behavior. I don't see why the administrators would want to reward the "bad actors" by allowing them to return to DU. I don't want to ever see the posters that called Hillary the "c-word" or made anti-Semitic statements about Bernie to become active members again.

I'm fine with the rules that the administrators established and I don't believe it is appropriate to interfere with forum moderation by making a declarative statement that it is time for another amnesty (note--I am not alerting on your post). Perhaps your suggestion should be brought up in ATA rather than one of the open forums?

[Starry Messenger]

88. She's a moron, we are at war

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/deaths-of-four-us-soldiers-in-niger-hint-at-the-shadow-war-against-isis-in-africa/2017/11/03/abfd2d2f-be00-4d50-a4e8-b8b5f1151bf4_story.html?utm_term=.78223ae8ff36

"The killing of the four U.S. soldiers has set off questions in Washington about the U.S. military’s role in the Sahel, a barren belt stretching from western Africa to its north-central region.

The Trump administration suspects a relatively new Islamic State ally was responsible for the American soldiers’ deaths. The U.S. government has doubled down on its military commitment in the region, the latest sign being a $60 million pledge this week to build a new counterterrorism force there."

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

89. What's that noise Susan?

Why it's your career dying.

[Puzzledtraveller]

93. "I never liked her anyway"

[trueblue2007]

97. i can't stand her .... don't consider her a democrat supporter like many other "celebrities" are

[betsuni]

100. Big K&R

[Gothmog]

107. From Kurt Eichenwald

Link to tweet

[VermontKevin]

108. Dumb as a sack of hair.

[Gothmog]

111. From Judd Legum

Link to tweet

[lunamagica]

114. I LOVE it!

[TreeStarsForever]

110. This is the same woman that helped elect Dubya by supporting Nader

[Gothmog]

118. Nader gave us the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act

[Gothmog]

122. For this thread

[Gothmog]

117. From Joy Reid

Link to tweet

[Jakes Progress]

132. Joy Joy Joy! She has more intelligence,

taste, and perception in her little finger than ss has ever mustered.

Joy is a joy.

sarandon is a jerk who thinks she is smart. She has one of the most irritating of personality traits; she is a loud sack of rocks who acts like she is wise and helpful. Sarandon is too narcissistic to see or consider her failings.

[Uben]

126. Sarandon likes to bitch. but.....

...why don't she get off her privileged ass and run for office? Cuz no one would vote for her sorry ass and shes too damned lazy!

[Orsino]

128. Sarandon is right.

Clinton did win, and we are at war.

[LanternWaste]

131. another actor with another opinion people are pretending is weighted with influence.

Another actor with another opinion people are pretending is weighted with undue influence.

[LiberalFighter]

133. She should be locked up in a padded room. And the key thrown away.