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SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 12:42 PM Nov 2017

No person who works for a corporation should be required to pay taxes.

We The People have zero representation from our government.

We have zero say on where or how our taxes are spent.

We have no say in how our government works.

Corporations are the only entities that have representation.

They should pay all taxes !!!!!

Our government is corrupt from top to bottom.

I am so sick and tired of the lies We The People are told on a daily bases.

I am so sick and tired of the governments thievery on behalf of corporations.

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No person who works for a corporation should be required to pay taxes. (Original Post) SamKnause Nov 2017 OP
Excellent point! rainin Nov 2017 #1
Completely agree. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #2
I'm sick and tired of Faux pas Nov 2017 #3
But I'm self-employed. progressoid Nov 2017 #4
Do you feel you are being represented ??? SamKnause Nov 2017 #5
Not just people who work for corporations. n/t yellerpup Nov 2017 #6
They should pay ALL taxes since its obvious the system is maintained for business.... marble falls Nov 2017 #7
Exactly. SamKnause Nov 2017 #8
Agree totally Pepsidog Nov 2017 #9
Yep -- taxation without representation. KPN Nov 2017 #10
Tell that to DC residents. nt Sophiegirl Nov 2017 #11
That needs fixed too. It should be part of the D Party platform. KPN Nov 2017 #13
The residents of DC have more access to politicians than people elsewhere... Thor_MN Nov 2017 #14
A little history. byronius Nov 2017 #12
I'm on board with that !!!! SamKnause Nov 2017 #15
Thanks for the history lesson. KPN Nov 2017 #16
That s because we allow them to world wide wally Nov 2017 #17
And every time we rise up what happens ??? SamKnause Nov 2017 #19
Now you got it figured out..... world wide wally Nov 2017 #24
They should wear their sponsors' logos on their suits hibbing Nov 2017 #18
K & R geardaddy Nov 2017 #20
Oh please Steven Maurer Nov 2017 #21
But the corporations have safeinOhio Nov 2017 #23
NO - they HAVEN'T Steven Maurer Nov 2017 #27
Nonsense. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #22
What about us self employed idiots? BamaRefugee Nov 2017 #25
Do you feel you are being represented ??? SamKnause Nov 2017 #26
As a Californian, yes, although somewhat weakly BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #29
All work expenses should be fully deductible DBoon Nov 2017 #28

rainin

(3,010 posts)
1. Excellent point!
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 12:50 PM
Nov 2017

Taxation without representation. That's where we are in the red states and at the Federal Level. This tax bill now takes representation away from state and local representatives. We're screwed.

We have to win back control. It's the only way we can right this ship.

We have to buy the media to win back control.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
2. Completely agree.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 12:51 PM
Nov 2017

"No Taxation Without Representation!" The government no longer works for the poor and the middle class. We owe them nothing.

Faux pas

(14,657 posts)
3. I'm sick and tired of
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 12:59 PM
Nov 2017

paying those liars to lie to us AND fuck us over!!!!!!!!!!! WTFF (what the fucking fuck).

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
5. Do you feel you are being represented ???
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 01:50 PM
Nov 2017

Do you have any say in where your taxes are spent or what they are spent on ???

I will brave a guess that the answer is no to both questions.

Yes, you can get in on that.

marble falls

(57,063 posts)
7. They should pay ALL taxes since its obvious the system is maintained for business....
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 01:55 PM
Nov 2017

after all:

"The business of the country is business."

Calvin Coolidge


Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
9. Agree totally
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 02:04 PM
Nov 2017

I doubt my generation will ever see it, but what we need is a new constitutional convention to revisit and discuss issues such as:
-Campaign finance laws- (citizens united must go)
-Term limits- House 3 year terms and limited to 5.
-electoral college
-gun rights
-census/gerrymandering
- mandate new constitutional convention every 50 years
-right to vote
-Supreme Court-age limit-how selected
-hold congress to same ethics as most others
-make health care a right and responsibility of Gov’t.
-Immigration and citizenship
- right to privacy
Etc...
In the next 50 years or so, we need to come together and revisit the Constitution. I say in the next 50 years because if a constitutional convention were held today I think we would veer more towards a Theocracy. Many States are currently influenced by the evangelical right who would happily subordinate the constitution to the Bible. Hopefully, after my generation dies off, wiser heads will prevail and do what is right and necessary for the general welfare.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
10. Yep -- taxation without representation.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 02:04 PM
Nov 2017

We've already had a revolution over this. It's not a radical concept.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
14. The residents of DC have more access to politicians than people elsewhere...
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 02:14 PM
Nov 2017

If their desire is to bend the ear of a congress critter, they have have more opportunities to do that. While they do not have A representative, for most of the year they have ALL of them.

That said, I understand the feeling and would not be adverse to changes, but the GOP makes that unlikely.

byronius

(7,392 posts)
12. A little history.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 02:14 PM
Nov 2017

From Gotham, the excellent history of NYC.

The early Dutch of New York (1600's) invented the idea of the corporation. The Dutch court agreed as long as the corporation would serve the community first, not the shareholders. If it did not serve the community, it could be sued and disbanded.

The British of New York (1700's) adopted the corporate form wholesale, keeping in place the restriction on serving the public first.

The Americans of New York (1800's) also adopted the idea, same restrictions.

However, in the 1930's, as a socially violent response to the growing labor movement, the wealthy stacked the courts with judges who ruled that the corporation no longer had to serve the public. And thus the form was wrenched from its origins and made a creature of pure profit that has plagued us ever since.

I can think of at least fifty corporations that would be disbanded under the original definition. At the earliest opportunity, we should return to the original language.

Hoarding is a disease. It makes human beings into monsters capable of mass murder. We're witnessing this truth right now.

Return the corporation to the original definition, and levy a 99% confiscatory tax on all incomes over one million dollars per year as recompense for the damage done to the nation by the change in corporate definition.

And then dissolve and nationalize the assets of the most criminal corporations. Comcast and Koch industries, for starters.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
15. I'm on board with that !!!!
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 02:19 PM
Nov 2017

Monopolies are never advantageous for We The People.

I think this country is too far gone to save.

Our entire justice system needs an overhaul.

The laws on the books work against We The People.

Our government sold this country to global corporations.

They write the laws now.

They control the government now.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
19. And every time we rise up what happens ???
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 02:38 PM
Nov 2017

What happened to Occupy Wall Street while Obama was president ???

What happens when BLM protest ???

What happened to Native Americans when they protested the Keystone Pipeline.

Our government would mow us down in the streets with out blinking an eye.

Capitalism and growth at all costs.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
24. Now you got it figured out.....
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 03:15 PM
Nov 2017

Maybe we'll get to vote one last time and we better make it count.
FUCK the deplorables once and for all

hibbing

(10,095 posts)
18. They should wear their sponsors' logos on their suits
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 02:32 PM
Nov 2017

And wear hats, just like NASCAR drivers.

Peace

Steven Maurer

(459 posts)
21. Oh please
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 03:06 PM
Nov 2017

38% of people work for large corporations
53% of people work for small corporations
9% of people work as sole proprietors or DBA contractors

You're seriously suggesting that 91% of all Americans shouldn't be taxed?




safeinOhio

(32,661 posts)
23. But the corporations have
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 03:12 PM
Nov 2017

already paid the tax before they paid the workers. It’s taxing the money that has already had taxes paid.
At least that’s the excuse they use for getting rid of the estate tax.

Steven Maurer

(459 posts)
27. NO - they HAVEN'T
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 04:17 PM
Nov 2017

That's the problem. Corporate taxes are constantly going down. And that's before all off the offshore tax dodge shenanigans.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
25. What about us self employed idiots?
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 03:45 PM
Nov 2017

We don't even get unemployment EVER. There's plenty of times it would be better for me NOT TO WORK and get a check than to scrape by while waiting for work.
At least I can sexually harass myself without fear of a lawsuit.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
26. Do you feel you are being represented ???
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 03:50 PM
Nov 2017

Do you have any say in how your tax dollars are spent ???

If you answered no to both questions, welcome aboard.

The majority of this country has taxation without representation.

DBoon

(22,354 posts)
28. All work expenses should be fully deductible
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 06:52 PM
Nov 2017

including commute expenses

We should be able to deduct depreciation of our working self

And we should only pay the capital gains rate

Why should the owners of capital get all the breaks and those who work for a living pay the taxes

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