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Considering the unconstitutional way the tax bill went through is it possible for a judge to step (Original Post) Maraya1969 Dec 2017 OP
No, although I predict the fetal personhood clause OliverQ Dec 2017 #1
I think every woman should start taking a child exemption on her taxes. davsand Dec 2017 #9
YES! Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #10
Nope . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2017 #2
I also think the repeal of the Johnson amendment will face a court challenge meow2u3 Dec 2017 #3
What is the Johnson amendment? MiniMe Dec 2017 #4
That's the IRS amendment... meow2u3 Dec 2017 #13
I hope so Meowmee Dec 2017 #5
How was it unconstitutional? DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #6
BINGO. nt sarisataka Dec 2017 #7
What if the IRS moondust Dec 2017 #8
No, because nothing unconstitutional actually occurred. Codeine Dec 2017 #11
Exactly. n/t tammywammy Dec 2017 #12

davsand

(13,421 posts)
9. I think every woman should start taking a child exemption on her taxes.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 04:05 PM
Dec 2017

Here's the logic: They just declared a fetus is a person. No requirement for actual birth (under that law anyway) for that to be considered a child. Thus every woman should be allowed to claim a "fetal" child deduction.


"We can say that the majority of early pregnancy loss appears to be unrecognized," said Dr. Allen J. Wilcox, who directed the study. His work suggests that 22 percent of all pregnancies end spontaneously in the first month. Another 9 percent result in miscarriages after the pregnancy becomes apparent.Jul 28, 1988

MOST MISCARRIAGES GO UNRECOGNIZED, STUDY SAYS - The ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...miscarriages...unrecognized.../d06d3b92-bb2d-4162...


Watch the Republican heads explode with this one.

2. Nope . . .
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:47 AM
Dec 2017

I think this would be the very essence of a "non-justiciable" issue. An Article III court is not going to get into the business of telling an Article I legislative body how to go about its business.

This is not to say that how the Senate has conducted itself here is not contrary to the Constitution. But not every constitutionally-defective action admits of a judicial remedy. That's not how our system of government, a "representative democracy," works. In this case, if the people don't like what their representatives have done, then their recourse is to select different representatives. There is a mechanism for doing that, of course.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
3. I also think the repeal of the Johnson amendment will face a court challenge
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 12:41 PM
Dec 2017

This is a blatant violation of the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment and must not be allowed to be upheld.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
11. No, because nothing unconstitutional actually occurred.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

I think we get carried away with our definitions here sometimes.

Was it a horrible bullshit crime against all fiscal and social propriety? Yes.

Did the passage violate the Constitution? No, probably not.

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