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smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 12:49 PM Dec 2017

The Uncanny, Frightening Ways That Trump's America Mirrors Hitler's Germany

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-democracy-dies

By Thom Hartmann / AlterNet

President Obama has come right out and said it: "You have to tend to this garden of democracy, otherwise things can fall apart fairly quickly. And we've seen societies where that happens.”

Yes, he invoked Nazi Germany, adding, “Now, presumably, there was a ballroom in Vienna in the late 1920s or ’30s that looked and seemed as if it ― filled with the music and art and literature and the science that was emerging ― would continue into perpetuity. And then 60 million people died. And the entire world was plunged into chaos.”

It was a shocking reminder of Milton Mayer and his seminal work, They Thought They Were Free, first published back in 1955 by the University of Chicago Press.

Shortly after World War II, Mayer, an American journalist and college instructor, went to Germany and befriended a small group of 10 “ordinary Germans” who had lived and worked through the war, and interviewed them in depth.

Mayer’s burning question was, “How does something like Nazi Germany happen?”

What he learned was every bit as shocking as President Obama drawing the same parallels. He wrote, presciently, “Now I see a little better how Nazism overcame Germany - not by attack from without or by subversion from within, but with a whoop and a holler. It was what most Germans wanted - or, under pressure of combined reality and illusion, came to want. They wanted it; they got it; and they liked it.

“I came home a little bit afraid for my country, afraid of what it might want, and get, and like, under combined pressure of reality and illusion. I felt – and feel – that it was not German Man that I met, but Man. He happened to be in Germany under certain conditions. He might be here under certain conditions. He might, under certain conditions, be I.

“If I - and my countrymen - ever succumbed to that concatenation of conditions, no Constitution, no laws, no police, and certainly no army would be able to protect us from harm.”

Mayer tells the story largely through the words of the Germans he got to know during his year in Germany after the war. One, a college professor, told him:

“What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security....

“This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter. ...

“To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it – please try to believe me – unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop.

“Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.”

In this conversation, Mayer’s friend suggests that he wasn’t making an excuse for not resisting the rise of the fascists, but simply pointing out an undisputable reality.

This, he suggests, is how fascism will always take over a nation. And it seems that even President Obama is now realizing the gravity of the moment that Trump, Pence, and their enablers have brought us to.

Another one of Mayer’s Nazi friends told him:

“Pastor Niemoller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing: and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something – but then it was too late.” …

“You see, one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next.

“You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not? – Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

“Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows.

“Outside, in the streets, in the general community, everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this.

“In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It's not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

“And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end?

“On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. ...

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes.

“That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked – if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ‘43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ‘33.

“But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

“And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jew swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose.

“The world you live in – your nation, your people – is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays.

“But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed.

“Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God.”

Mayer's friend pointed out that this was the terrible challenge faced then by average Germans, and today is faced by people across the world, as formerly democratic governments from Turkey to the Philippines are taken over by authoritarian, corporatist – fascist – regimes.

And here, too, in the United States, this grand alliance of bigots, billionaires, and authoritarians have seized control of much of our media and virtually total control of the Republican Party.

As Trump uses Goebbel’s Big Lie techniques to draw in frightened and Fox-brainwashed white people (while vilifying Democrats, liberals, gays, women, Hispanics, Blacks, Native Americans, and pretty much anybody else who’s not a right-wing white Christian male) thoughtful people are asking if we’re really on this road to fascism or not.

A few years ago on my radio show, President Jimmy Carter came right out and said that we’re no longer a functioning democracy but, because of Citizens United, instead we’re “an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery.”

“How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men?” Mayer's friend asked, perhaps rhetorically.

And, without the benefit of a previous and recent and well-remembered fascistic regime to refer to, Mayer’s German friend had to candidly answer his own question with: “Frankly, I do not know.”

This was the great problem that Mayer's Nazis and so many others in their day faced.

As another of Mayer's Nazi friends noted:

“I do not see, even now [how we could have stopped it]. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice – ‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly, and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men?”

And here we are.

Nazi leaders and propagandists of the 1930s used the phrase Lügenpresse (“lying press”) at every opportunity to describe the media of their day; today Trump and his supporters are both undermining our faith in our press, and preparing us for a crackdown on press outlets like this one.

And once net neutrality is done away with, they merely have to work with their friends in the multibillion-dollar ISP corporations who, like with the 2006 AT&T scandal and others, are more than happy to help “intelligence” agencies and the administration out.

The phrase “Fake news” is simply the Trump version of Lügenpresse, and the goal and trajectory are the same.

Even Mike Godwin, the inventor of Godwin’s Law (basically, that “whoever first mentions Hitler automatically loses the argument”), is now writing in the Washington Post that, “If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump.”

Fritz Thyssen was a very wealthy and politically active German industrialist in the 1930s—arguably the Murdoch/Koch/Adelson/Mercer/etc. of his day in Germany— helped fund the rise of Hitler because he thought it would be good for his business and that Hitler would cut his taxes.

When I read his book I Paid Hitler, part apologia and part rationalization, I couldn’t help but wonder how the heirs of today’s GOP/Trump-financing billionaires will look back on this era. That’s assuming, of course, that any sort of real history of the events of this time survives Trump and Pence’s dual assault on our news organizations and net neutrality.

As Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels famously said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Big lies are in full form now in America, from seemingly trivial things like crowd sizes to country- and world-changing lies about taxes and Iran.

At the same time, we’re facing the classic fascist technique of discrediting the press and suppressing voices of dissent with draconian threats of jail time or surveillance for simply participating in protests or even visiting a protest website.

This reckoning was brought on us by a small group of authoritarian/libertarian billionaires and their minions, with the help of a compliant Supreme Court that has declared, without the authority of the Constitution, that corporations are persons and that money used to buy politicians and legislation is First Amendment-protected “free speech.”

Given that the only force that can defeat organized money is organized people, whether our republic will withstand this assault is now in our hands.

Democracy is not a spectator sport; we must get involved before “the corn is over our heads.”

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The Uncanny, Frightening Ways That Trump's America Mirrors Hitler's Germany (Original Post) smirkymonkey Dec 2017 OP
It is so damn scary! kentuck Dec 2017 #1
The thing that struck me most about this article is just how slowly it happens, and smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #2
I fear that before and shortly after Christmas, all hell is going to break loose. Frustratedlady Dec 2017 #30
Even if we do, they are well on their way to shutting us down and having us smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #34
Well, it appears we may find out before long. I see someone posted on DU groups are organizing. Frustratedlady Dec 2017 #35
K&R. dchill Dec 2017 #3
Crippling WWI reparations. A million living in alleyways. Resentment for Jews/immigrants with money. TheBlackAdder Dec 2017 #4
Did you read the article? smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #6
Yeah, I did. As wealth is pulled from lower classes, they look for scapegoats to release frustration TheBlackAdder Dec 2017 #9
"A million living in alleyways. Resentment for Jews/immigrants with money." .99center Dec 2017 #11
Los Angeles County alone has around 35,000-58,000 every night. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #26
Having a relative that actually True Blue American Dec 2017 #5
I always knew this country could easily become Fascist lunatica Dec 2017 #7
In the article he spoke of "German Man" but then said he came to see that it smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #8
That's kind of the point mythology Dec 2017 #38
Excellent Read Peaceful Protester Dec 2017 #10
Hello Smirkymonkey syringis Dec 2017 #12
Hi Syringis! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #17
You are right syringis Dec 2017 #21
Yes! Our power is in getting out the vote! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #23
Friends have told me, "Youre an alarmist." Duppers Dec 2017 #13
WOW!!! Mr. Hartmann!!! Another kick here. Duppers Dec 2017 #14
"It was what most Germans wanted" moondust Dec 2017 #15
Totalitarianism lindalou65 Dec 2017 #16
Yes! This! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #18
It's really frightening how easy it unfolds FirstLight Dec 2017 #20
I now think facebook is not the right platform AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #33
K&R Scurrilous Dec 2017 #19
All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing.... nt LAS14 Dec 2017 #22
The book is still available RandomAccess Dec 2017 #24
Great new book on this subject KatyMan Dec 2017 #25
be careful with assumptions AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #29
Counting on all the gun enthusiasts to start thinning the herd when they get hungry enough. Walbash Blues Dec 2017 #27
We are RIPE for this to happen. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #28
spot on AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #31
Every DUer, and every American, should put down their remotes and their smart devices GusBob Dec 2017 #32
Comparison is way over the top..Whatever happened to whathehell Dec 2017 #36
Godwin has exceptions... Lars39 Dec 2017 #37
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
2. The thing that struck me most about this article is just how slowly it happens, and
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 02:49 PM
Dec 2017

then before you know it, things are completely beyond anyone's control. I feel like all of these steps the Trump administration is taking to destroy our freedoms one by one are just chipping away at our ability to recognize how much of threat the GOP really is. We get used to it, little by little, and it becomes the new normal.

What he spoke about in this article is the UNCERTAINTY!. "Well, ok, they did that, but they will never go THAT far, will they?" That is what scares me. We can't assume they will never go "THAT" far.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
30. I fear that before and shortly after Christmas, all hell is going to break loose.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:59 PM
Dec 2017

My friends and I have talked about this "coup" they must be up to...not only in the U.S., but in other countries, as well. Can it happen? Is it happening?

I think what scared me was when the protesters during the inauguration were arrested and are still going through the trial process. It was hushed quickly and only bits and pieces have come out that I have seen. Protesting is one of our rights...right? Still?

The attack on the new media was not surprising, but I didn't think they got the response they hoped for. These younger reporters, for instance, seem to have put their minds to exposing this administration as much as possible and are quite sharp on what they are finding. Trump made fun of them, so now they will show him what good reporting is and they aren't afraid of him. That's good. Rachel is a good example.

The Republicans totally shutting out the Democrats from our legislative process is another concern. It is easy to understand why they have done so, due to the tricks they are pulling in all kinds of ways, but our so-called POTUS should be directing them to stop that practice and work together. We don't have a congress anymore. It's the Republican party running the show and doing it poorly, to boot. Even the lobbyists are writing our laws, as per instructions from the oligarchs and think tanks of the Koch Bros. and their ilk.

I'm seeing/feeling that the only way we will be able to control this fiasco is to go to the streets in protest. They don't think we have the guts. Do we?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
34. Even if we do, they are well on their way to shutting us down and having us
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:28 PM
Dec 2017

arrested. Once we are in custody, there is no telling what they can do. This is how it starts.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
35. Well, it appears we may find out before long. I see someone posted on DU groups are organizing.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:36 PM
Dec 2017

So far, 300 groups in various cities?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. Did you read the article?
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:26 PM
Dec 2017

It didn't say that it was EXACTLY like Hitler's Germany. The point was about the slow slide into authoritarianism and how people allowed it to happen.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
11. "A million living in alleyways. Resentment for Jews/immigrants with money."
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:22 PM
Dec 2017

The similarities are frightening!

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
26. Los Angeles County alone has around 35,000-58,000 every night.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:24 PM
Dec 2017

os Angeles County’s homeless population has soared 23% over last year despite increasing success in placing people in housing, according to the latest annual count released Wednesday.

The sharp rise, to nearly 58,000, suggested that the pathway into homelessness continues to outpace intensifying efforts that — through rent subsidies, new construction, outreach and support services — got more than 14,000 people permanently off the streets last year.

“Staggering,” Los Angeles County Supervisor Janice Hahn said in a statement. “It is clear that if we are going to end the homeless crisis, we need to stem the overwhelming tide of people falling into homelessness.”

Said Leslie Evans, a West Adams resident active in efforts to combat homelessness in South Los Angeles: “These are scary numbers.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-homeless-count-20170530-story.html

This is bad, bad news.

And now the Republicans have raised taxes on Californians to pay for the cost of tax breaks for corporations and the very, very rich.

Where are the self-proclaimed conservative Christians? Where are the compassionate among them?

The 38-58,000 homeless per night in Los Angeles County do not all come from California. Many of them move here from other states. And those other states need to take some responsibility for this problem as does California.

Think of what it is like to spend night after night outdoors in maybe a tent. Great for a summer vacation, but horrible as a way of life.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
5. Having a relative that actually
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:26 PM
Dec 2017

Was in Germany,helping to liberate the Concentration camps and actually stayed with Germans,who shared what little they had he learned from those Germans in broken English that they had no idea what was happening until people began to disappear. They were terrified for themselves,their families.

People have to understand there was little communication in those days. Maybe a few had radios,where they were handed propaganda.

Like, Trump, Hitler promised jobs,a rosey picture. Germans were starving then.

With mass communication we are being handed the same,only a thousand times worse. How many times a day do they run the same Trump rants? The clip is being played right now.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. I always knew this country could easily become Fascist
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:34 PM
Dec 2017

I first came to feel this when I saw the violent reaction to Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks In the South. Americans were quite polarized and some still are,wanting violence against Blacks, Muslims, gays, women and undocumented aliens. In our day to day existence we’re used to the Republicans running on wedge issues where they demonize entire groups. It isn’t hard to believe the next step of persecuting these groups can easily happen.

Unfortunately the worst humanity is capable of can happen anywhere. I see our country sliding into Fascism now.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. In the article he spoke of "German Man" but then said he came to see that it
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:39 PM
Dec 2017

could be any man (or woman) under the right set of circumstances at the right place and time that could make any of us go along with this "creeping fascism". There are things that have happened over the past year that I never could have imagined happening in this country even five years ago. And what have we done? We have protested, voted, called our congresspeople, etc. But has anything changed? No, Trump and the GOP just continue to march ahead with their hateful agenda and we are almost powerless to stop them.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
38. That's kind of the point
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:06 AM
Dec 2017

It can happen anywhere (and one can argue that it did in a sense to Native Americans after we became a country), but that runs the risk of being so broad as to be kind of useless in terms of being predictive.

People have been blaming outsiders since the first caveman realized there was another caveman around the corner. The Milgram experiment (and similar other studies) have proven that many of us will go along with what should be unreasonable requests. Politicians have been claiming the press lied and their opponents were un-fill in the blank with nation in question for as long as politicians have existed. Thomas Jefferson, father of the Declaration of Independence, key contributor to the U.S. Constitution on the press as President "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper" and ordered attorneys general to prosecute newspaper editors.

That said, I also see other reasons to be hopeful. Trump isn't winning people over. His approval has dropped substantially from day 1. His endorsements haven't been winning. He's viewed as a joke here and abroad. When he went for a poorly thought out Muslim ban, people were protesting in airports, he was sued instantly and lost until he put together another version that while still insipid is at least legal. When he tried to repeal the ACA, he lost. Their tax plan has been pushed back against to the point that many of the worst parts for individuals have been done away with. Yes it's still a stupid ass plan, but it's now more within the bounds of regular Republican stupidity. State governments are fighting back on net neutrality and on his immigration attacks. We are seeing a large scale political engagement of women on multiple levels, protesting, running for office, speaking out about sexual harassment/violence.

I don't think it lines up particularly well as a comparison to nazi Germany. It took Mel Brooks to help us laugh at Hitler. People laugh at Donald Trump every day.

Peaceful Protester

(280 posts)
10. Excellent Read
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:11 PM
Dec 2017

"It is almost a maxim of the Trump era that the bounds of the unthinkable continuously shrink. The capitulation to Moore was a dry run for the coming assault on the rule of law."

~ New York Magazine (December 11, 2017 by Jonathan Chait)

syringis

(5,101 posts)
12. Hello Smirkymonkey
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:34 PM
Dec 2017

How are you ?

It is an interesting article. I wouldn't say Trump's America mirrors Hitler's Germany. There is similarities yes, but huge differences too.

Hitler's Germany was a very young republic (less than 2 decades) with many great issues. A fresh Constitution, new rules and a lack of safeguards that could prevent from Hitler's moves.

Is it different in America. It will much more difficult to turn the country in an authoritarian dictatorship.

But don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying democracy is safe, it is quiet the opposite. Democracy is in danger and must be protected. Any dubious move against it must be fought. Until now, hopefully, it seems check and balances are still working.

There are other threats. It is often said our era mirrors the era between the WWI and WWII.

In fact, there is more similarities with the era before WWI.

One is the global destabilization. Another, is the role traditionally played by the US as a balancing factor of world peace. This position is dangerously vacant allowing any unhinged leader to drag us into a disaster. Which will, in a way or another, affect the democracy both in the US and other countries.

I truly hope I made a understandable reply. It is very condensed with very simple words, I can do better.


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. Hi Syringis!
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:20 PM
Dec 2017

Yes, I agree with much of what you are saying. You did make a very understandable reply.

I think that the point in the article that stuck with me the most - the part that I find the most frightening - is how a population can become desensitized to authoritarian rule. Little by little they chip away at our liberties and we don't react with the alarm that we should because we think it will go no further.

But it will go further if we don't stop them. That is why the 2018 elections are so important. We need to stop them in their tracks so that they can not push through their agenda, which is most certainly fascist and dangerous to democracy.

Good to hear from you!

syringis

(5,101 posts)
21. You are right
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:51 PM
Dec 2017

For now, regarding to the safeguards, it is possible to fight any attempt to democracy.

But citizens have to be involved . It starts by voting. As citizens, it is the only and unique tool, extremely fragile.

It's far beyond my understanding to see how much people don't bother to go to the polls and fulfill their duty.

Damn ! People died in the past, are still dying nowdays for that right : the right to vote, the right to express themselves, the right to keep control on their lives !

We are lucky to have that right but some are trampling it under their feet. The same people who will complain when it will be too late. It kills me !


PS : I owe you a PM



 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. Yes! Our power is in getting out the vote!
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:08 PM
Dec 2017

We have to mobilize for the next election. No worries about getting back to me! I know it is a busy season and I am overwhelmed as well. I hope you and your family are doing well!

moondust

(19,958 posts)
15. "It was what most Germans wanted"
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:10 PM
Dec 2017

Probably true of many, maybe most. No doubt "racial purity" with scapegoating/dehumanization/demonization of "others" was at the bottom of much of it just as it is in the U.S. today. Similar ethnic cleansing going on with the Rohingya in Myanmar along religious lines. TheRump has called himself a "germophobe" so he's definitely into the "purification" thing; a wall on the southern border and a travel ban would help keep the "germs" out.

Iowa Rep. Steve King: “Diversity is not our strength.”

lindalou65

(253 posts)
16. Totalitarianism
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:10 PM
Dec 2017

This is scary and foreboding of what we are now facing. This piece reminds me so much of what Elie Wiesel wrote about in "Night." The same incremental and almost imperceptible change was not noticed until it was too late. We do need to act now and do what we can; however, I agree it is hard to get others to band together and act. So many (including myself) are reluctant to do anything other than signing petitions or joining a protest march. We are too 'busy' with our own lives and don't want to 'rock the boat. Most people simply think those of us who want to do something are making a big deal out of nothing. When I post comments or a news article about the similarities between Hitler and Trump on Facebook; there are few who comment---most are silent. What does this mean? Do they disagree or just not want anyone else to know what they think?

After reading this, I am glad to know others think like I do here on DU. I feel fortunate to live in a very progressive area, and there are others like me. Now it is time for me to connect with them. I donate to MoveOn and have been active at times. I just need to act!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. Yes! This!
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:23 PM
Dec 2017

I agree! I think that there are too many people who are not taking this seriously. I think people are either afraid to admit the truth - even to themselves - or they are in complete denial about where we are headed as a nation.

I hope I am wrong, but given what has happened in this nation in ONLY 1 YEAR, I shudder to think how far they can go if we don't resist them at every turn.

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
20. It's really frightening how easy it unfolds
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:44 PM
Dec 2017

...think of the washing of certain words from agency websites, the latest CDC news, the repetition ad nauseum of Fake News at every turn..the brainwashing and the surreptitious dismantling of agencies by just not re-filling posts....

I'm terrified every day. I see the net neutrality crap as a huge slap in our faces, and if it goes through without riots in the streets we will know we are doomed...

All this in just a year!?!
I know many here on DU think the idea of leaving the country is a copout..but I am definitely getting my passport ready.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
33. I now think facebook is not the right platform
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:23 PM
Dec 2017

I used to post political stuff on fb until I got schooled by someone - “I don’t get my news from facebook”. I now beleive that fb should be completely devoid of all poltics and news, and anything political should be flagged for removal whether we like it or not. FB played a big role in having trump elected, we should not repeat the same mistake again. Conversations should be happening face to face.

KatyMan

(4,177 posts)
25. Great new book on this subject
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:58 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CO34OLQ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1


Admittedly, I'm only about halfway through, but the political parallels are really quite alarming. Not that Trump etc are going to slaughter 60 million people, but they are seizing power in such a way that the NSDAP strategy is their playbook.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
29. be careful with assumptions
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:57 PM
Dec 2017

trumps regime can easily slauter 60m or more people once the war starts

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
31. spot on
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:59 PM
Dec 2017

only most americans are much less intelligent than average german people were back then so trump can very well succeed in finishing what hitler could not. Half world population may be gone within 10 years - that’a how they can ‘solve’ climate change.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
32. Every DUer, and every American, should put down their remotes and their smart devices
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:08 PM
Dec 2017

And read that book.

And the Third Reich At War by Evans

And Gulag by Applebaum

Nobody reads anything beyond what 240 characters of a "link to tweet" these days

I'd bet the OP was even too long for people to pay attention

We are doomed by ignorance

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