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peoli

(3,111 posts)
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:15 PM Apr 2015

EPA Restricts Use of Pesticides Suspected of Killing Bees

Source: NBC

The EPA has issued a moratorium on use of a type of pesticide theorized to be responsible for plummeting bee populations. Neonicotinoids are a class of common pesticides that recent research has pointed to as being harmful to birds, bees and other animals. The EPA previously approved their use, but outcry over the damage being done has caused the agency to reverse course while more studies are done. On Thursday, the EPA sent letters to people and companies that have applied for outdoor use of the pesticide, saying that new use permits won't be issued.

New uses of neonicotinoids will no long be approved "until the data on pollinator health have been received and appropriate risk assessments completed," the EPA letter reads. Existing permits to use them, however, will not be rescinded — something wildlife and environmental advocacy groups are unhappy with.

"If EPA is unable to assess the safety of new uses, the agency similarly is not able to assess the safety of the close to 100 outdoor uses already approved," said the Center for Food Safety's Peter Jenkins in a statement criticizing the EPA's actions. Other organizations of beekeepers, environmentalists, and farmers echoed the sentiment.

Though it isn't calling an end to all uses of neonicotinoids, the EPA says in its letter that it is taking the problem seriously: "EPA considers the completion of the new pollinator risk assessments for these chemicals to be an agency priority."

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/epa-calls-halt-use-pesticides-suspected-killing-bees-n334936



A half-assed first step....
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EPA Restricts Use of Pesticides Suspected of Killing Bees (Original Post) peoli Apr 2015 OP
Half an ass is better than none? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #1
Yes, half-assed is better than none. n/t peoli Apr 2015 #2
Half assed? More like the whole ass just isn't gonna get any fatter. Trillo Apr 2015 #3
We will get the full meal deal when we elect the next President...the EPA can only do so much, sir. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #4
The whole first paragraph is BS! Trillo Apr 2015 #7
Understand that the EPA may not have the legal power to retroactively cancel permits. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #8
Fred, I am happy. peoli Apr 2015 #9
Yes, I know, but the glass is half full...you know Obama is doing all he can....with a coup underway... Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #12
There is a lot of pushback on these regulations. And it is not just the chemical companies. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #19
Great news! A Little Weird Apr 2015 #5
The suspicion Red1 Apr 2015 #6
Having personally seen the USDA in (in)action, this is an improvement. Now for glyphosate - erronis Apr 2015 #14
The real problem with glyphosate is overuse and inappropriate use. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #21
Yes but suspicion is just that....a suspicion. Whats needed now is solid data that cstanleytech Apr 2015 #16
I think this is overstated: Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #20
It's a start, at least. calimary Apr 2015 #10
Exactly. obxhead Apr 2015 #13
I watched a Netflix movie on how plants talk or communicate. It discussed JDPriestly Apr 2015 #11
Nicotine sulfate is approved for use under the National Organic Program Major Nikon Apr 2015 #17
U.S. can always be trusted to do the right thing.... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #15
Bees are defiantly returning this year. I can't not walk out in my yard as it is covered with bees LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #18
Yeah....this was done in Europe.... Eric Stratton Apr 2015 #22
How in helll can they conduct accurate risk assessments... gregcrawford Apr 2015 #23
Hey now... czarjak Apr 2015 #24

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
3. Half assed? More like the whole ass just isn't gonna get any fatter.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:22 PM
Apr 2015

Neonics should probably not be approved for any agricultural or landscaping plant uses, too much danger to bees.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. We will get the full meal deal when we elect the next President...the EPA can only do so much, sir.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:24 PM
Apr 2015

Why post a positive OP and then rag on it??

Consider an edit, with respect, might get more recs., and an actual critique might help.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
7. The whole first paragraph is BS!
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:29 PM
Apr 2015

It is cleverly written, but if you read a little further, "New uses of neonicotinoids will no long be approved". That means all existing uses will continue, but the writer has somehow construed this as "restricts use", that's even in the title.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. Understand that the EPA may not have the legal power to retroactively cancel permits.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:33 PM
Apr 2015

This is excellent news, you can rag on it all you like, it is excellent news.

You can tell by the hair aflame bonfire being lit in reaction by the chemical industry and their Republican corrupt politicans bought and paid for.

 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
9. Fred, I am happy.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:57 PM
Apr 2015

Very happy. But I am also impatient and a huge environmentalist and I wish it was more and happened sooner.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. Yes, I know, but the glass is half full...you know Obama is doing all he can....with a coup underway...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:10 PM
Apr 2015
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
19. There is a lot of pushback on these regulations. And it is not just the chemical companies.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:24 PM
Apr 2015

Keep in mind that farmers very much want to retain the use of these chemicals, and the inability to use them has had consequences:

Neonicotinoid ban hit UK farmers hard

Peter Kendall surveys his crop of oilseed rape. At this time of year, he should usually be looking at healthy green cotyledons (young shoots), but the leaves are full of holes.

The driest September on record has meant a plague of flea beetle. The pest is normally controlled by coating the seeds in a systemic pesticide called neonicotinoid.

The chemical, related to nicotine, is absorbed by the plant as it grows, making it resistant to bugs and viruses.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/01/neonicotinoid-uk-farmers-rapeseed-crop-bees-pesticide


 

Red1

(351 posts)
6. The suspicion
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:28 PM
Apr 2015

has been there for years..for the biologists and entomologists...
its been dead certain.

Govt shoulda shut them all down just as soon as the populations (bee) started
to decrease..its been pretty obvious.

But in the usofa? We'll wait till the water us up to our knees before
we go out and shut off the coal burners. After all its only food..

erronis

(15,241 posts)
14. Having personally seen the USDA in (in)action, this is an improvement. Now for glyphosate -
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:52 PM
Apr 2015

and other non-proven harmless chemicals dusted in our environments?

Or the several thousand industrial chemicals that aren't tested for biological harm since they have been used for years and are grand-fathered in?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
21. The real problem with glyphosate is overuse and inappropriate use.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:33 PM
Apr 2015

Putting glyphosate on food crops near harvest makes me cringe. Spraying it on a fallow field is not big deal.

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
16. Yes but suspicion is just that....a suspicion. Whats needed now is solid data that
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:23 PM
Apr 2015

supports a ban on the products current approved uses though and hopefully they can find such data sooner rather than later.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
20. I think this is overstated:
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:32 PM
Apr 2015
The suspicion has been there for years..for the biologists and entomologists...
its been dead certain.


Actually not quite true. The entomologists still are not of one mind that the neonicotinoids are the only problem. Along with mites, viruses, and problems associated with high-fructose artificial food provided by the beekeepers, neonicotinoids are a likely suspect, but it is not definitive.
 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
13. Exactly.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:48 PM
Apr 2015

You have to start somewhere.

Even if they made a total ban today, it will still take years before the grandfathered in product is used up and finally taken out of use.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. I watched a Netflix movie on how plants talk or communicate. It discussed
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:09 PM
Apr 2015

a type of wild tobacco plant and explained that the nicotine in the plant was the plant's defense against certain insects -- a poison to anything that has muscles I think it said.

My grandfather used tobacco to kill insects on his farm -- or at least put it on fenceposts with that purpose in mind.

Nicontine exists because it is useful to the tobacco plant. If I smoked, I would look into the safety of nicotine.

I think this is the video:

http://video.pbs.org/video/2338524490/

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. Nicotine sulfate is approved for use under the National Organic Program
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:36 PM
Apr 2015

It's been used for around 100 years as an insecticide.

Many, if not most, plants have some sort of insecticidal properties and humans have been putting those properties to use for just about as long as humans have been around.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
15. U.S. can always be trusted to do the right thing....
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:23 PM
Apr 2015

As a last resort.

Glad they're finally getting started.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
18. Bees are defiantly returning this year. I can't not walk out in my yard as it is covered with bees
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:57 PM
Apr 2015

in the weeds. I need to mow down the weeds but I think I am going to wait until the bees move on. I have never seen so many.

Eric Stratton

(19 posts)
22. Yeah....this was done in Europe....
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:41 AM
Apr 2015



with proven results. Of course, everyone can anticipate the horrible backlash from "freedom lovers" and Monsanto to this environmental and food resource protection.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
23. How in helll can they conduct accurate risk assessments...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:33 AM
Apr 2015

... of pollinator health if they continue to allow the use of neonics? That's fucking asinine.

czarjak

(11,266 posts)
24. Hey now...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:38 AM
Apr 2015

Our esteemed state senator Charles Perry says EPA regulations are "punishment, government overreach". Guess what party he's a member of.

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