Israel's Netanyahu blasts Iran nuclear deal as paving way for a bomb

[herding cats]

Source: LA Times

Israeli leaders lashed out at Thursday's announcement of a framework agreement to curb Iran's nuclear development with demands that the foreign powers negotiating the deal further roll back Tehran's programs and warnings of possible military strikes on Iran if they don't.

"A deal based on this framework would threaten the survival of Israel," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared in a statement after speaking by telephone with President Obama.
Benjamin Netanyahu

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, shown here giving a statement against the emerging Iran nuclear deal on April 1, reiterated his opposition via Twitter the next day.
(Debbie Hill / AFP / Getty Images)

"This deal would legitimize Iran's nuclear program, bolster Iran's economy, and increase Iran's aggression and terror throughout the Middle East and beyond," Netanyahu said of the pact forged over more than a year of tense negotiations and announced Thursday in Lausanne, Switzerland.

Even before details of the agreement were disclosed in news briefings by the brokers from six major powers, Netanyahu demanded via Twitter that "any deal must significantly roll back Iran's nuclear capabilities."



Read more: http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-nuclear-deal-israel-20150402-story.html

[forest444]

1. Got Netanyahoo problems?

Here's the solution: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6234431

[LiberalFighter]

2. Netanyahu...

Time for Congress to stand up to him and reduce Israel's funding. I wonder how much of the problem in the ME is the result of his/Israel's policy?

[phantom power]

3. Why is it supposed to be the apocalypse if Iran builds a nuke?

Israel has them, and I don't see them dismantling theirs to set an example.

[Fred Sanders]

5. The Israeli nuclear arsenal must never be mentioned...it instantly nukes the fearmongering points.

[GoneFishin]

9. Yeah, and the fact that they developed it covertly under the guise of a civilian nuclear program

which is why he is so goddamned paranoid about Iran having a civilian nuclear program.

Like all right-wingers, he is projecting his sleazy behavior on others.

[7962]

38. Funny how none of Israels neighbors ever felt threatened by Israel's nukes

Because they know they are defensive. Its Irans quest that will start a new arms race in the ME. Many countries have already said if Iran gets a bomb they'll get one too. They havent said that in all the years Israel has had one.

[phantom power]

45. That might be the dumbest post I've seen this week

Firstly, everybody's nukes are defensive. Big fucking deal. Our nukes are defensive. Russia's are defensive. Iran's will be defensive too, if they build them. Then again, it isn't really a "defense," unless you are tacitly willing to use them. This includes Israel, which you seem to think is just the poor "defensive" underdog, even though they are currently the only nuclear power in the region.

Secondly, has it occurred to you that the "arms race" has already been started? By Israel? Iran happens to be the country in the region who is closest to getting one next. Not counting Pakistan, which already has them of course.

Thirdly, are you seriously deluded enough to think that these "many countries" really weren't threatened by Israel's nukes? Seriously? Like Oh, now that Big Mean Iran might get one, now we want one, but not Israel! Because they're so stable and unthreatening.

Seriously?

[7962]

46. Ha. Read what the OTHER Arab nations have said. It has ZERO to do with Israel.

They all see Iran exporting their terror ops to so many countries as it is. They know who the real threat to them is and it aint Israel.

[KamaAina]

4. Paving way for a bomb?

Benjamin the Yahoo has a one-man show opening on Broadway?

[geek tragedy]

6. Fuck him, and everyone who shares his views. Filthy warmonger nt

[SoapBox]

31. +1000

[Geronimoe]

7. Tony Savalas

To use one of Telly's quotes.

Who loves ya, Bibi?

Telly was one of the first rappers!

Another message to Bibi .... I Love You

[calimary]

8. Criminy - I'm sick of this guy.

He's gonna hate whatever it is. He's gonna badmouth and complain. He's been crying wolf for more than two decades.

Okay, fine. Knock yerself out, bibi. Whatever we try to do to turn the heat down in your neighborhood - you're not gonna like. We know. We know! We've heard it already. Just another boring "my way or the highway" jerk is what he seems to be at this point, at least to me. Fine. Be a paranoiac and a won't-EVER-be-pleased critic and a malcontent to your heart's content. WhatEVVVVVVerrrrrr.

[Jack Rabbit]

10. Netanyahu is a dangerous man

There is more to be fear from Netanyahu at the moment than from the Iranians with whom US and European diplomats are negotiating in Switzerland.

A nuclear deal between the west and Iran is not a threat to Isreal. What is a threat to Israel is a Palestinian population in fear of being unable to elect its own democratic government without fear of massive Isreali interference in their lives and an intractable right wing Israeli government that wants to see to it that that, in fact, is the only future Palestinians have.

The return of Netanyahu to power in Israel last month was a world wide tragedy. It is he who threatens world peace.

[BlueMTexpat]

43. Yes, he and ALL his radical RW allies -

whether they be Israeli, US (including radical RW Christian evangelicals), UK (or wherever) citizens - do indeed threaten world peace.

They imperil us all MUCH more so than those who are willing to sit down with the major powers and work out a framework agreement that allows for a lot of verification by outsiders.

[The Wizard]

11. He also was fearmongering

Iraq's nuclear capability too. No more Netanyahu wars fought by Americans.

[George II]

12. When he becomes President of the US and Israel pays its own way, THEN he can whine.....

....until then he should just be grateful that he still has a government supported by the US.

Besides, unless his spying is still going on, how does he know all the excruciating details already?

[Hulk]

13. If so, I hope they drop it right on his head!

At least he'll be right about one thing in his life. Moron!

[840high]

17. Lovely comment on DU.

[forest444]

22. God forbid.

But make no mistake: when Bibi means that the agreement will "pave the way for a bomb," there's every reason to believe that he means that his goons intend to detonate a bomb themselves in an attempt to frame Iran - possibly on U.S. soil.

It wouldn't be the first time a well-timed inside job bombing took place whenever a meaningful peace treaty involving one of Israel's foes in Middle East was close to fruition: http://www.democraticunderground.com/110837470#post2

[kelliekat44]

33. My thoughts exactly!

But since he overplayed his hand by visiting with our GOP Congress, any bombs dropped now will be laid at his feet. I hope we never buy into the false-flag ops like we did with Libya under Reagan.

[Dreamer Tatum]

30. At least you have the guts to say it aloud. A salut. nt

[mountain grammy]

14. and the leaders of six major powers join to make peace

and the warmonger is mad. He can't get enough joy destroying Gaza and killing Palestinian children, he wants us to fight another war for him.. I'm sick of Netanyahu's shit.

[2naSalit]

15. paving way for a bomb...

Yes, the one he's going to drop on Iran so we can have that war the 47 traitors and he want so badly. Flaming asswipe.


ETA: You know, he reminds me of sNewt the Grinchwich... a lot of talk and nothing to offer but war and egoism galore, elected by a small population and sent to a place of power to fuck up the world for everyone else because of his deficiency in other parts of his life over which he has no control. It's like the mindset of wife/dog/child abusers, they do it because they can to those whom they see as inferior in some way and who have no way to protect themselves other than through overt violence (which usually turns out badly for the victims of the abuser).

[Scootaloo]

34. ...No, I don't think he'd bomb Iran

Iran is actually a pretty tough nut to crack; They've put up a pretty strong air-defense system. An attempted assault on Iran by Israel would result in a lot of dead Israeli pilots, with no concrete goal attained. it would also literally destroy any remaining international support for Israel, except from Saudi Arabia - even the Us would wash its hands of Israel. even Bush warned Israel that would be a consequence of an Israeli attack on Iran.

Such an attack would indeed be "regionally devastating," not because of the damage Israel would do to Iran (not much) but because of the damage Israel would do to Saudi Arabia. Turkey would not let Israel use its airspace, and would shoot at Israeli warplanes violating it. Iraq and Syria would do the same (and rumor is, the president threatened the US would open fire on Israeli attacks using Iraqi airspace as well. Just rumor AFAIK.) That means Israel would have to take a southern route over Saudi Arabia to get there - and the Saudis are so gung-ho for someone to go to war with Iran that they'd even offer refueling bases for Israeli fighters.

Iran could use this as casus belli against Saudi Arabia and certainly against Israel. But it wouldn't; counter-attacking Israel has the same logistical problems as attacking Iran (easier to just send a phone call to Islamic jihad or Hezbollah anyway.) Iran could handily win a war against Saudi Arabia - which means the Us would intervene against Iran to protect its assets in KSA. No gain for Iran there, then.

No, what Iran would do is take it on the chin, and let the international community ostracize Israel fully. meanwhile it can pull whatever strings it has in Arabia to incite the populace against the Saudi regime - the Saudi people are already angry about the KSA's basing of Americans, and its actions against other Muslims in the region; if the Saudi regime were to let the Israelis use Arabian soil as a launchpad for an attack on Muslims - even the Iranian shia - there would be hell to pay for that regime.

So. net effect of an Israeli attack on Iran? Israel loses every ally but one (which basically gets wrapped up in a violent uprising anyway) Iran suffers no telling damage - even if the Israelis execute it PERFECTLY, they can't do much. Iran is the victim of unwarranted aggression by Israel, against the wishes of every major power in the world, and Israel pays the price.

Israel will not bomb Iran.

Israel is more likely to bomb itself and frame Iran. It's certainly easier, and far more productive to Israel's interests.

[2naSalit]

39. I never doubted that

israel would lose if it started bombing Iran again, which it has done in the past when we wouldn't do what they wanted so I can imagine that being a ploy repeated now... but you bring up another point I have thought over many times in years past, that israel would bomb itself and blame Iran for the damage. I don't put anything past them and their ill-fated delusions of grandeur and self-appointed importance. That country's government is off in la-la-land and is acting like spoiled, undisciplined, rich brats who need a major time out or something more effective.

Good points and a set of possible scenarios that have crossed my mind at one time or another but I'm really tired of israel and their BS and I think we need to extract this overgrown tit-sucker from our taxpayer funds. They should learn to either sink or swim via their own good will or be dissolved because they have become a pariah state. Palestinians should be inhabiting that space... it was taken from them by force with the blessings of the US, USSR and England which I feel was a major mistake that we are paying for in a big way now.

[HereSince1628]

16. Says the angry bully with his finger on 75-400 of them.

[PearliePoo2]

18. And how many billions $$$ does the U.S. send Israel each year?

And he's doing trash talk??
Hey Bibi...shut the fuck up.
(Oh yeah... and it's time to close the purse strings, tough love baby)

[Adrahil]

19. STFU Bibi. n/t

[seveneyes]

20. Poor Iran and their misunderstood love for Israel

There must be a way Iran can show their love for personal freedom and respect for other nations without all this noise.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

29. WARMONGER ALERT. Death lovers are posting in this thread. ^^^^

[NCjack]

21. Guess Bibi recalls how easy it was to deceived USA when they, our best friend,

made weapon grade nuclear materials in the 1960s. Israel made complete fools of us. Bibi may be better served by a new strategy -- one in which Israel gives up strong-arm expansionism and instead becomes the "Switzerland" of North Africa. No threats to anyone, honest consulting on regional politics and economic development, and the most trusted financial center in the region. But that would require diplomacy, which apparently is not in Bibi's tool bag.

[calimary]

41. Aw man, that's the best idea yet! Become the "Switzerland" of North Africa.

I just REALLY like that. Certainly don't claim to be the last word in Israel-related expertise, here, but that idea still sounds wonderful! I wish that were something that could be created. Because we need a SERIOUS change in thrust over there, away from "I'm gonna kill YOU!" "Well fuck you then, I'm gonna kill YOU!" THAT is what seriously has to change. THAT crap. So fucking tiresome and obsolete. So 20th Century. Hell - 13th Century! We HAVE TO evolve away from that as a civilization. We just have to, if we're ever to get free of the whole murderous senseless wasteful destructive bloody WAR cycle. A cycle in which NOBODY wins. And EVERYBODY loses. And EVERYBODY hurts - no matter which side they're on.

DAMN I wish we could grow up - and OUT - of that.

[Cha]

23. President Obama's response, herding cats..

Nerdy Wonka @NerdyWonka
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President Barack Obama's #IranTalks remarks summed up for the @GOP and those in the media who want war.
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/02/the-president-makes-a-statement/

[Thinkingabout]

24. Bibi is bull headed, his advice has been wrong before also.

[calimary]

42. For at least 23 years. Since 1992, I've read.

He's been crying wolf FOR YEARS, stirring people up, pushing hysteria and paranoia. It's sure paid off for him, but the whole area is a Hell of Hurt because of prevailing attitudes like that.

[Geronimoe]

25. Spawned from the same seed

Can't help but conclude Cheney and Bibi were spawned from the same demon seed.

[still_one]

26. Tough shit

[Old and In the Way]

27. What does the the Likud and the GOP have if.there is peace in the ME?

Nothing. They are both exppsed as fearmongers. The GOP will try to sunvert this treaty, but rational people wamt this to work.

[Geronimoe]

32. This may not be a treaty

It could be an executive agreement of understanding and not be a treaty. Thus avoiding Congressional approval.

[marmar]

28. More ranting from a bellicose asshole.

[dolphinsandtuna]

35. take a hike off a cliff, Bibi

[George II]

36. 99% rhetoric, 1% fact - hey "Bibi", tell you what - YOU get rid of YOUR nuclear weapons...

....and then complain about the deal, okay?

[sinkingfeeling]

37. And his American minions will parrot the same.

[McKim]

40. Get on the Phone, the Net and Write

We have to push back hard and so get on the phone to your congresspersons, and call Schumer, Bonner, Menendez and all the DINOs to
get out of the way of the Iran Peace Deal. Get active. Everything is at stake. Pull out all the stops. This is the best to happen to this
country since 2001.

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. What Mr. Netanyahu believes and says bothers me not a whit

Indeed, he's proven that on most issues, if he is upset, I'm probably happy.