Bolivia Accuses Assange of Putting Evo Morales' Life at Risk

[struggle4progress]

Source: Telesur

Published 13 April 2015 (3 hours 35 minutes ago)

The Bolivian Ambassador to Russia, Maria Luisa Ramos, directly defied WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange by publicly asking him whether he apologized to President Morales for putting his life at risk by leaking false information that NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was on his plane in July 2013. “Have you apologized to Morales?” Ramos asked Assange during a video conference Monday, during the premier of the documentary “Terminal F” about Snowden's search for exile ... "For your big countries this may not be important, but for Bolivia it does matter. We would have never violated the law and I have no idea who would dare to risk the life of the president to confuse the United States officials,” she said, reiterating her question: “Have you apologized to Morales for this issue?” ...

Read more: http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Bolivia-Accuses-Assange-of-Putting-Evo-Morales-Life-at-Risk-20150413-0024.html

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. Assange serves the greater good...for Assange.

[geek tragedy]

2. Wait, this is Telesur? nt

[Cha]

3. Oh, here's his mea culpa..

"He admitted that the plan “was not completely honest, but we did consider that the final result would have justified our actions.” Assange also confessed the outcome of his actions were never expected, but insisted Washington was responsible for the plane's emergency landing."

It's always someone else's fault with him.. and, yet there he is confined to an Embassy in London.

Mahalo struggle

[freshwest]

10. The ends justify the means routine? And not honest? Never thought of this angle from Bolivia. n/t

[Cha]

11. Yeah, Assange didn't think of the Law of Unintended Consequences being too busy thinking about

his nefarious schemes.

[Blue_Tires]

13. Not big on accepting responsibility for his actions, is he?

[Cha]

14. Nope.

[Judi Lynn]

4. The President of Bolivia went through a lot of ugly, cruel, unnecessary nonsense with this.

Someone by god should have apologized to him right away. Shameful.

Thank you, struggle4progress.

[geek tragedy]

5. Many owed him an apology.

The US still owes him one.

[Judi Lynn]

16. That's the way I see it, too. Thanks. n/t

[dsc]

6. call me crazy

but I seem to recall that people, including you, called people who suggested that Morales' plane was forced to land conspiracy theorists. Do you now admit that this happened and we weren't paranoid nuts?

[struggle4progress]

7. First, let me make clear that I have never to my knowledge called you a paranoid nut, either

in person or on this board. Second, I have at times in my life taken a detailed interest in the long history of US crimes against various countries and persons in Latin America. Third, over my years here I have repeatedly explained that I support a "healthy paranoia," by which I mean a certain suspicious reflex disciplined by careful attention to what might plausibly be proved for use in a realistic analysis of the conditions that we struggle against. Fourth, I oppose analyses which I consider unrealistic, since I believe such analyses cloud people's minds and prevent the analytic habits necessary for successful struggle. Fifth, I find the claim that the US forced Morales' plane down unsupported by credible evidence and consider other interpretations of the Vienna landing better supported

There was nothing wrong, to my view, with anyone instinctively looking for evidence that Morales' play was forced down. Since accurate understanding of the world is always helpful, one should then attempt to find the most detailed and credible information possible, on the basis of which one then re-evaluates the real range of possibilities. Cherry-picking evidence to support a pre-determined conclusion is intellectually dishonest; and it's unconscionable as an activist stance, because successful activism requires a certain steely-eyed realism

I do still regard the claim that Morales' plane was forced down as a species of conspiracy theory

The OP here concerns Assange's continuing efforts to insert himself into the Snowden saga. I think it possible that Assange helped spread rumors that Snowden would be on Morales' plane: those rumors spread wildly for several days, without obvious source. Assange certainly wants more attention

[dsc]

8. In fairness you didn't use those words

but you admit even here you don't think the plane was forced down, if that is what you believe then how, pray tell, did he put Morales in danger?

[struggle4progress]

9. I think Telesur put those words in the mouth of a Bolivian ambassador, not in mine

But I'll double-check by re-reading the article

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. So what do you think is the 'breaking news' here? That the Bolivian ambassador unfairly accused

Assange of putting Morales at risk, when, according to you, the US never did anything about Morales' plane? If so, why do you call this unfair accusation Assange 'contuining to insert himself' into the Snowden saga, and seeking attention?

It seems to me you should self-delete this thread as not of interest.

[struggle4progress]

18. It's a fascinating little bit of soap-opera, at the confluence of a few news stories over the years

Assange, from his cage in Ecuador's London embassy, apparently takes some credit for unsourced rumors nearly two years old now, about Bolivia's intent to help Snowden escape from Russia to Latin America -- and Bolivia's ambassador to Russia knee-jerks in outrage over the comments

One might want to try to unravel it somewhat

Is the post to Russia a real snooze, requiring so little of the Bolivian ambassador's time that the ambassador has the energy to react to Assange's every word? Has Ecuador asked for Bolivia's help to tarnish Assange's image, in hopes that if domestic public approval of Assange declines they can finally boot him from his embassy squat? Perhaps Russian intelligence has helped create a story for Telesur, with the aim of keeping the "Barack forced Evo's plane down!" nonsense alive? Could the CIA has planted this story in the Latin American press?

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. OK, soap opera doesn't belong in LBN, does it?

Self-delete this waste-of-time thread. Try and have some standards. When you ask "has Ecuador asked for Bolivia's help to tarnish Assange's image, in hopes that if domestic public approval of Assange declines they can finally boot him from his embassy squat? Perhaps Russian intelligence has helped create a story for Telesur, with the aim of keeping the "Barack forced Evo's plane down!" nonsense alive? Could the CIA has planted this story in the Latin American press?" you are putting forward stupid conspiracy theories. Take your nonsense to Creative Speculation where it belongs.

[McCamy Taylor]

12. Lot of axe grinding going on here.

[reorg]

15. What she is actually saying by "putting his life at risk"

is that she is convinced the US would have stopped at nothing had Morales insisted on his right to be left alone, resisted the "unofficial" inspection of the plane or refused to make the stop in Austria in the first place.

She cannot say this directly, of course, being a diplomat and all. So she is concealing this serious accusation in an apparent criticism of a US critic. Very clever, Ms Ambassador.