In setback, Obama concedes Congress role on Iran deal
Source: Nation
WASHINGTON President Barack Obama conceded on Tuesday that Congress will have the power to review a nuclear deal with Iran, reluctantly giving in to pressure from Republicans and some in his own party after they crafted a rare compromise demanding a say.
The role for the Republican-controlled Congress injects a new element of uncertainty into the delicate final stages of negotiations between major powers and Iran aimed at curbing Tehrans nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.
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Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Senator Bob Corker, who wrote the bill, said the White House had agreed to go along with the bill only after it was clear there was strong Democratic support. The legislation was passed unanimously by the committee and is expected to pass the full Senate and then the House of Representatives.
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Bipartisan support for the bill had grown in recent weeks to near the 67 votes needed to override any presidential veto.
Read more: http://bangordailynews.com/2015/04/14/news/nation/in-setback-obama-concedes-congress-role-on-iran-deal/
Hey, Hey, GOP! How many boys (and girls) will you kill today?
After all, war is much more profitable than peace!
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)What it usually does is bad enough, but this is world-class serious stuff.
project_bluebook
(411 posts)thanks to repubs and weak president and paid off dems. Plan on WWIII in the near future.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The villains are conveniently rotated.
Reter
(2,188 posts)We expect Republicans to act like this, but they can't get 67 votes without Democrats.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Was waiting for this to happen. It always does after corporate Democrats have sought very public adulation for a seemingly impressive stand against corporatism or the MIC.
We know this scam by now. They take turns defecting or trashing the deal so that corporate Democrats, including the president, can *claim* to have fought against corporate, warmongering policy and failed.
The MIC will always get their way, and corporate policies will always prevail, as long as our party is purchased and packed with Third Way corporate liars in Democrat costumes.
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM UTC
The Democratic Partys deceitful game
They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass
Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how its played:
....
The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, its Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, its Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and breaking with their party to ensure Michael Mukaseys confirmation as Attorney General; then its Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then its Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they cant blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they dont need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)The President is "ceding" because he wants to be sure that actual efforts to stonewall don't happen due to AIPAC meddling. It will be nothing more than a gesture, so that AIPAC supporters in Congress can go back to their donors and say "Hey, I got that review process passed."
The peace deal isn't going anywhere whether you like it or not. And I'll be bookmarking this post and if I remember I'll give you a nice reply by the end of the summer when the peace deal goes through.
I bet you won't even make an OP saying you were wrong about it either. I remember when you called out the FCC for not immediately releasing its net neutrality rules, calling it secret government and using loaded language. It's cute until it's wrong over and over again.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Oh, Josh. You've *got* to stop following me around. People will say we're in love.
Today's dispensing of Third Way spin is charmingly oily, but weak on substance, as usual. But it's okay. People need to see the patterns of the talking points.
So illustrative to pretend that net neutrality is safe....
*Even* if we were to pretend that the widely publicized "final victory" on net neutrality weren't utter nonsense (As the link below shows, everything predictably becomes uncertain again *after* the PR blitz is over and adulation for Third Way politicians has been safely pocketed...)
Congress Is STILL Trying to Destroy Net Neutrality - April 14, 2015
http://www.freepress.net/blog/2015/04/14/congress-still-trying-destroy-net-neutrality
*Even* if we pretended that the administration had actually done what it should and could have done all along and reclassified the internet as a public utility...."Even* if Obama had not appointed a crony telecom corporatist as head of the FCC.....And *even* if threats to net neutrality weren't predictably resurfacing in Congress, as always seems to happen with faux Third Way "liberal victories" once the adulation dies down...
...Even if all that weren't the case, we *still* know that Hillary's and Obama's TPP will take care of that little net neutrality problem even if by some chance the FCC PR rules stand. It's a clever tactic by corporatists to run on policies and promises they know will be completely dwarfed and made irrelevant by predatory actions they pursue simultaneously. It's called talking out of both sides of your mouth...
...or PR
[font size=3]...or LYING. [/font size]
HOW THE TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP WILL UNDERMINE INTERNET FREEDOM
http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPPImpacts_InternetFreedom.html
Lets Take Apart The Corporate Case For Fast Track Trade Authority...Net Neutrality a Target of TPP
http://ourfuture.org/20150129/the-corporate-arguments-for-fast-track?utm_source=progressive_breakfast&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pbreak
Can America Really Have Net Neutrality? Not If the TPP Passes ...
http://economyincrisis.org/content/can-america-really-have-net-neutrality-not-if-the-tpp-passes
[font size=2]Yes, while claiming to protect net neutrality, Obama is pushing to fast-track the net neutrality-assaulting TPP. [/font size]
It's the Third Way MO. Promise one thing, maybe even deliver a temporary little carrot while seeking public adulation for it...while you are simultaneously pushing for the hammer that will render your little carrot meaningless, a cruel joke. It' a familiar, cynical, predatory game that we all know by heart now, because we have seen it repeated so many times by Third Way Democrats. And the overall outcome *always* keeps moving us steadily into corporate rule and away from democracy.
It's the very same MO as pretending you care about income inequality and giving pretty speeches suggesting you want to raise the minimum wage, while you are simultaneously pushing for H1B visas or to fast-track a predatory "trade agreement that will gut American jobs and slash pay for FULLY 90 PERCENT of American workers.
Obama and Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4141426
And it's the same MO as insincere, massively publicized speeches about reining in military power, followed immediately by huge escalations in military power, a new war in Syria, a new war in Iraq, carpet bombing of captive populations in Gaza, a continuation of the unconscionable droning of civilians in multiple countries with which we are not at war, continued massive escalation of military forces in Africa, and a new TRILLION DOLLAR ramp-up of nuclear weapons.
It's what Third Way politicians do. They advertise, and they manipulate, and they lie. They are always looking for an opportunity to APPEAR to support progressive causes, while working behind the scenes to ensure that the overall outcome is corporate.
Now, you will continue to deny the patterns, as you always do, or to issue absurd challenges to PROVE that the well-established patterns will continue. We have learned, however, that the best predictor of the future behavior of corporate politicians is the past behavior of corporate politicians.
Of course we don't have net neutrality safe in our pockets, as those of us who follow patterns knew we wouldn't. And just as we predicted that there would be more war in Iraq and Syria from this administration (as the PNAC and neocons...now also neolibs...demand...), we also predicted that triumphant claims of achieved peace and diplomacy with Iran would turn out to be vastly overstated. And here we are.
There's a structure to Kabuki. Once you understand corporate motives, you know the scripts by heart and can predict the next act. Anyone can do it. The MIC budget will always be preserved, because the blood profiteers *need* perpetual new conflict and threat to keep justifying their murderous profit machine.
It's not going to stop, and we won't have a true opposition party, until we get the filthy corporate money out of our government and elections and purge our government of Wall Street-bankrolled corporate liars wearing both Republican *and* Democrat costumes.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)You do realize that the Republican congress is the one trying to overturn a Democrat's Net Neutrality rules, right?
But don't you worry I'll get you a poke when the Iran peace deal goes through. Just a friendly reminder that you posted walls of text about a conspiracy of lies when the reality is that the adults in the room are going to get it done.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)See LBN. And, psst....corporate Republicans and corporate Democrats work TOGETHER. That's how oligarchy works.
Stay tuned...
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ChiefJusticeIV
(27 posts)It's too bad, guys. But we should have seen this coming. The nuclear deal is as good as dead. Congress is Bibi's bastion of support. There is no chance for a deal any longer. Thank you for the effort Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They stripped out the major poison pill--the terrorism requirement.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)The Executive has the responsibility to set foreign policy and to enter into agreements with foreign states. Congress has the responsibility to ratify treaties, but not to set policy. Obama could have simply ignored the bill that Congress is trying to pass that says they have to 'agree to the agreement' with Iran.
It would be interesting to see Congress sue the President in the SCOTUS. First they would have to prove 'standing'. Then SCOTUS would have to ask themselves if they really wanted to emasculate the office of the President and give Congress the right to set foreign policy. They would be happy to see the Rethugs do it, but what happens the next time we have a Rethug President and a Democrat Congress?
If Obama had whispered in McConnell and Boehner's ear that would be what would happen, even those two idiots would have to back down, since the vast majority of Americans want to see a peaceful resolution to the whole Iran mess.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)99% of the time versus the 500+ morons on congress, the deranged, hate filled republicans who to a man and women oppose POTUS on EVERYTHING all the time and the spineless, POS democrats who have almost literally left this president out in the wind for the last six years.
makes perfect sense ...
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he does or not get pissed when he does something I don't agree with.
Personally, I'd like to see a number of Rethugs in Congress put up in front of a firing squad. I suppose that's one of the reasons he's the President and I'm not.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)All I am saying is in this situation he has the entire republican party working against the right thing and his party has, once again, left him hanging ...
I like you, would have lost it on these morons, including his party, a long time ago.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)madville
(7,408 posts)Even without the Corker bill the White House knew they would need Congress to permanently lift the US Sanctions on Iran at some point. It gave Congress some leverage plus I believe this gives the White House an out when this deal falls through (and it would have even without any Congressional interference because Iran will never go through with full inspections or exporting their Uranium stockpile).
When it ultimately fails they can point at Congress and blame away even though we all know a meaningful deal was a long shot to begin with.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Pay attention to how your Congressman/Congresswoman acts to this review.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Looks like Congress isn't satisfied unless we're involved in a major war.
Chuck Schumer is dead to me.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The President can still veto any vote against the final agreement and removal of sanctions.