Hillary Clinton Wants The Supreme Court To Strike Down Marriage Bans

[brooklynite]

Source: Buzz Feed

UPDATE
“Hillary Clinton supports marriage equality and hopes the Supreme Court will come down on the side of same-sex couples being guaranteed that constitutional right,” Adrienne Elrod, spokesperson, Hillary for America, told BuzzFeed News.
April 15, 2015, at 11:23 a.m

Read more: http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/hillary-clinton-hasnt-said-how-she-thinks-the-supreme-court?bftw&utm_term=4ldqpgc#.lbX6vWL6x1

[Larry Engels]

1. In other news, the Pope is Catholic. nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. Actually, this is an important statement on the policy of individual rights.

Rand Paul raises the flag of separate but equal, and tells people to see a lawyer to incorporate.
Cruz is telling us gay marriage will bring the wrath of God down on our assets.
Everyone else on the right falls somewhere between these two biased assholes.

[RiverNoord]

28. lol - this is newsworthy because...

it's possible that she might have said either that she hopes the opposite, or has no interest one way or another?

She's really going through a remarkable media blitz of making carefully worded statements of support for positions that the large majority of Americans have already taken...

I wonder how long it will take before her advisers indicate that she should come out against something? I give it at 6 months at an absolute minimum.

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. Another important issues, marriage equality.

And she is on the correct side.

Bookmarked.

[PoliticAverse]

3. "And she is on the correct side." this time. n/t

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. In 2008, Clinton and Obama opposed same-sex marriage.

They have evolved.

Meanwhile, Republicans continue to fight to deny equal rights.

Yes, she is on the correct side.

[PoliticAverse]

7. It's the American Public at large that has 'evolved' so that many politicians

now think supporting same-sex marriage will not result in a net-loss of votes.

[pnwmom]

8. Aren't politicians also human beings who can evolve? Why should that be surprising? n/t

[PoliticAverse]

10. It isn't surprising. But I don't believe either Clinton or Obama actually changed their

real feeling on the issue since 2008 rather i think they just no longer believe their
true position now costs them net votes.

[pnwmom]

11. If Obama had lost the election because he was perceived as too far left

would we be better off today?

[closeupready]

13. How can anyone persuasively answer a hypothetical question?

[pnwmom]

16. People do it every day, using history, logic, and common sense. nt

[RiverNoord]

22. I agree.

Politicians should never take up causes before voted into office unless their support is almost certain to either gain them votes or increase voting turnout among those who would likely cast their votes for them.

In fact, no politician should ever signal support for any cause or take a position on anything prior to an election. This would make the whole agonizing process of elections so much easier on the American people who otherwise may have to devote some time and energy, and sometimes even a bit of angst!, to their voting decision-making process.

[treestar]

27. Why not?

Are you under the banner that politicians are all phony all the time?

These are intelligent people who have their thoughts. Maybe they have been convinced.

IMO if they were being dishonest it was when they said they were opposed, not now.

[customerserviceguy]

33. Politicians have a choice

They can either 'evolve', or they can lead. I guess it depends on what one really feels is a gut conviction, as opposed to waiting for a focus group to tell you what to believe.

[pnwmom]

34. And voters have a choice, too. They can elect politicians

to represent them, or to lead them.

I'm not sure I prefer to be led.

[customerserviceguy]

35. Leadership

used to be called "statesmanship", gender reference aside, it wasn't seen as a bad thing back in the day.

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. Good representatives evolve along with the people they serve.

Then there is the Republican Party.

I grew up in the 50's and 60's Oklahoma where sex between two men was punishable by jail time.

I had an uncle who was a "Confirmed Bachelor" who had another "Confirmed Bachelor" as a roommate. I was in my 30's before I put it together. I think my grandparents knew, but they would never talk about it. My Uncle and his roommate came over for Sunday diners a couple of times a month.

By the way, there were several women known as "Spinsters" who lived together in my hometown.

I think the evolution has been good. I look forward to more of it.

[Cosmic Kitten]

12. "Evolve" seems like "pandering" ?

As of last year Hillary
wanted to leave it to
the states to decide.

"For me, marriage had always been a matter left to the states. And in many of the conversations that I and my colleagues and supporters had, I fully endorse the efforts by activists who work state-by-state and in fact that is what is working," Clinton told Terry Gross on June 12, 2014.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/hillary-clinton-shift-same-sex-marriage

It "has always been"
That's quite an evolution!

Can't wait for more "evolution"

[Agnosticsherbet]

17. I guess Obama was pandering for along time, too.

I see this as a positive evolution.

[Cosmic Kitten]

19. Yes, Obama was pandering, IMO

It is a positive change, but...
lets not call it "evolution".
It's political expediency.

Has any of these "evolved"
positions ever been explained?
Ya know, beyond "vote for me".

What events or epiphany sparked
this so called "evolution"?
If someone cannot explain why
they reversed their position it
has the appearance of expediency.

All politicians pander.
Even the ones we like.

[treestar]

25. Why does it matter really?

In the long run, we win this battle. Who cares about who decided to support it and when? As long as society as a whole supports it, then politicians who support it are better than those who don't.

[RiverNoord]

26. You know, it isn't out of the question that a civilization itself could 'evolve'

to make it possible for a crazy form of representative democracy based on genuine assessments of the honest positions of those its citizens may select to serve in its public offices.

Of course, such a thing is utterly out of the question if that society simply accepts that 'all politicians pander' and therefore everyone must assume that the great majority of positions politicians purport to take prior to an election are probably just things their advisers have concluded will improve their chances at getting elected...

[Bartlet]

41. Her positions isn't incorrect,

Marriage has always been a state issue, there is no allowance in the Constitution for the Federal government to regulate marriage, the only thing the Constitution does grant the Federal government is the authority to enforce rights guaranteed by the Constitution. At this time the right for gay persons to marry is still limited to the states. Hopefully the Supreme Court will remedy that transgression this June. In the meantime claiming that Hillary is somehow not a supporter of gay marriage because she, like many legal scholars, thinks the issue is a state issue is rather short sighted.

[RiverNoord]

20. Nailed it.

[donnasgirl]

6. You took the words right out of my mouth

[awoke_in_2003]

37. There are things you can gig her on...

but I don't think you can on this. This isn't something that will be forgotten, Fox will bring up the fact that she supports gay marriage a lot to help drive republican voters to the polls.

[closeupready]

14. Glad to hear it. Credit where credit is due.

K&R

[mwrguy]

15. So she supports it after it's already a done deal.

How brave.

[justiceischeap]

18. It's not a done deal

The Supreme Court could very well rule against equality.


And she came out in support of marriage equality in 2013, so it didn't just happen. As a matter of fact, in 2011, at the UN, she gave the famous "Gay rights are human rights" speech.

If you anti-Hillary people are going to jump on her for everything and anything she does, at least know the facts of what you're talking about.

[DrKZ]

39. OK let's sse

Her human rights speech had nothing to do with marriage equality rather it had to do with http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/30/opinion/ghitis-hillary-clinton-lgbt-rights/ note it was about combatting the criminalization of LGBT citizens but by then Mexico City had marriage equality Argentina etc http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/argentina-becomes-second-nation-in-americas-to-legalize-gay-marriage/
She has never been a trailblazer on GLBT issues on the contrary her position has evolved more slowly than the elimination of a vestigal tail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040754/Hillary-no-longer-thinks-sex-marriage-left-states-believes-constitutional-right.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/hillary-clintons-gay-marriage-problem/372717/

[justiceischeap]

40. As a lesbian I care more about human rights

than marriage equality. Marriage equality is great but until the LGBT community is a protected class, marriage equality won't keep me from getting kicked out of a house or fired from a job.

Also as a member of the LGBT community, any person who comes out in support of equality is better than the person that doesn't.

[treestar]

24. Why does it matter?

A President who supports it is better than one who wants to turn the clock back.

[Arkana]

21. She's trying real hard to hit all the liberal G-spots early.

[Earthly Creature]

23. All major politicians evolve. See LBJ

On Civil Rights. He voted for bad stuff in the Senate, but was a civil rights champion as President.

[Corey_Baker08]

29. Is There Anything That Some Will Give Hillary Credit For?

This is beyond ridiculous...

[workinclasszero]

30. No these bitter enders will never give Hillary credit for anything

Its going to be a long, hard road to nomination and election for her and her supporters here for sure.

[onenote]

36. Nope. What we need is a damned if she does, damned if she doesn't forum.

[awoke_in_2003]

38. I don't think so...

which is why I may take a time out from here for a while. If she said that puppies were cute some jack leg would have an issue with it. Full disclosure- she is not my first choice for the primaries.

[blkmusclmachine]

31. Clinton signs DOMA/DADT into law.

[blkmusclmachine]

32. URL: http://270c81.medialib.glogster.com/media/17/175fd813ffe93978f021334c7402f1e3213e845cb69daadf0f

[Bartlet]

42. Yes, the alternative

was a push from the right for a constitutional amendment against gay marriage. This was a compromise that stopped that push and stopped gay persecution in the military.