Anti-vaxxers go there: Now they’re comparing childhood immunization to rape

[Novara]

Source: Raw Story - T Bogg

In an atmosphere where anti-vaxx activists are only slightly more popular than polio but are considerably less popular than the measles, now comes another shrill blast from an anti-vaxx group which has compared immunizing children to rape.

Yes, they went there.

The Australian Vaccination Skeptics Network (AVSNI) posted a graphic to their Facebook page on Wednesday — since taken down — with an ALL CAP headline reading: “FORCED PENETRATION.”

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And because science is not on their side, anti-vaxxers are now resorting to even more hysterical claims, equating government mandates to forcible sexual assault, which is repulsive on so many levels. But then this is the inevitable logical progression once you’ve gone from linking vaccines to Nazi medical experiments to then comparing childhood vaccinations to the Holocaust.

What do you have left?

Apparently this:

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…which is grotesque, coming as it does from people who are not only immune to scientific consensus but now– apparently — from shame.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/anti-vaxxers-go-there-now-theyre-comparing-childhood-immunization-to-rpe/

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They know they've lost the battle.

[SoapBox]

1. Amazing...

[shenmue]

2. Crazy

[Geronimoe]

3. Labeling people doesn't win confidence

Why not just list the scientific studies proving vaccination is safe and also who funded the studies?

[Gore1FL]

4. That's been public knowledge for some time and easily accessible with google.

Evidence doesn't matter to the faithful. It's the same with all anti-science groups. Global warming is another example. The people that do this are dangerous and their hysteria leads to a lesser world.

[Geronimoe]

5. Global warming is a red herring

The two have nothing to do with each other.

OK, list only two very comprehensive studies that prove your argument and that were not funded by special interest groups; such as health insurance providers or pharma or gov agency with revolving door pharma executives.

[Gore1FL]

12. They are both the the same set "Science Deniers" no red herring at all.

So I have to name a study that wasn't funded by anyone including the government.

Makes total sense.

Name a credible study that says vaccinations cause autism. You're the one making the challenge to the accepted understanding of the scientific community. The burden is on you.

If that doesn;t work well for you then how 'bout we simply look at the number of deaths from polio, small pox, measles, diptheria, etc. numbers pre and post immunizations and compare that to the number of autistic children that make a claim it was vaccination related.

Even if vaccinations caused autism, which they don't, the threats for doing without are much more severe.

Vaccination is the logical choice.

[Geronimoe]

16. How about one study proving you are right?

I think the burden is on you, if you wish to educate the ignorant instead of just calling them names.

If you combine deaths from medical error, hospital infections, and complications from pharmaceuticals, this becomes the number one cause of death in America. So much for real data and logic.

Do you have any logical explanation and/or scientific studies that identify what is causing the epidemic of autism since the 90s? An approximate 2000% increase.

[Gore1FL]

19. That easy

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

27. "If you combine deaths from medical error, hospital infections, and complications..."

Well, sure, if you combine a bunch of different ways to die, they suddenly become 'the number one cause'.

But then if you combine a different set of ways to die they'll be come the number one cause too.

So 'combining ways to die' has nothing to do with logic. It's simply a way to actually ignore data.

Don't want to have 'deaths from medical error, hospital infections, and complications from pharmaceuticals'? Stop going to hospitals and taking drugs. And guess what? If you do that, the 'deaths from other things' shoots way up. Because we all die, one way or another.

Does anyone have a logical explanation or scientific study to identify what's causing the epidemic of autism? No. And that's exactly why no one should be randomly blaming it on any specific thing they're afraid of, like vaccinations. Because there's no real study out (I say 'real' to skip the debunked Wakefield study with faked data) that shows any link to vaccinations.

[awoke_in_2003]

7. Great- another anti-vaxxer...

you people are more of a danger to America than ISIS could ever hope to be.

[Geronimoe]

8. Was Senator Ted Kennedy more dangerous than ISIS?

Legislation championed by the late Senator Edward Kennedy "the Lion of the Senate" created the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program which provided "a no-fault alternative to the traditional tort system for resolving vaccine injury claims that provides compensation to people found to be injured by certain vaccines. This programs has paid out billions of dollars to those injured.

[Gore1FL]

13. What was Senator Kennedy's actual view on Vaccination?

Was he vaccinated? Were his children? If so, he didn't contribute to the problem that the poster referred to as worse than ISIS. If not, he did contribute to the problem that the poster referred to as worse than ISIS.

[Geronimoe]

18. Is California worse than the Middle East?

20% of Californians did not get vaccinations. There are more CA anti-vaxxers then members in ISIS, therefore CA must be much worse than the Middle East but, in fact it isn't.

[Gore1FL]

21. Shift goal posts much?

The Poster said they were worse than ISIS. It is true anti-vaccination crowd have caused more harm to U.S. citizens than ISIS.

The Kennedy tangent was nonsensical enough. How did we get to the Middle East worse being than CA....? I mean, wow... lol.

[NuclearDem]

9. "proving vaccination is safe"

You don't "prove" safety. You only "prove" lack of specific harm.

Wakefield was a fraud. Get over it.

[groundloop]

10. Another fucking anti-vaxxer troll

Same old story with these assholes, spout plausible sounding bullshit and people are supposed to waste their time to refute it.

[womanofthehills]

17. Wow! - guess you are not open to discussion!

If there is no danger, then why is there a government funded National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. "The Trust Fund is funded by a $0.75 excise tax on vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for routine administration to children."

"The Vaccine Injury Table (Table) makes it easier for some people to get compensation. The Table lists and explains injuries/conditions that are presumed to be caused by vaccines. It also lists time periods in which the first symptom of these injuries/conditions must occur after receiving the vaccine. If the first symptom of these injuries/conditions occurs within the listed time periods, it is presumed that the vaccine was the cause of the injury or condition unless another cause is found. For example, if you received the tetanus vaccines and had a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) within 4 hours after receiving the vaccine, then it is presumed that the tetanus vaccine caused the injury if no other cause is found.

If your injury/condition is not on the Table or if your injury/condition did not occur within the time period on the Table, you must prove that the vaccine caused the injury/condition. Such proof must be based on medical records or opinion, which may include expert witness testimony."

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf

[geek tragedy]

26. There is danger in doing anything.

But the danger from NOT vaccinating is far greater than the danger from vaccinating is.

Everyone with a 2nd grade education knows this. Stop trolling.

[geek tragedy]

15. List: all of them. Kthxbai. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

23. They just released a study this week

funded by the government (NIMH, NIH, HHS OS).

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2275444#

And it looked at ~96,000 children who had siblings in the same household, and focused on whether if one vaccinated sibling had developed ASD, any other siblings in the household did as well, and if so, at a higher rate than expected... And confirmed that it didn't happen...

Out of 95 727 children in the cohort, 1929 (2.01%) had an older sibling with ASD. Overall, 994 (1.04%) children in the cohort had ASD diagnosed during follow-up. Among those who had an older sibling with ASD, 134 (6.9%) were diagnosed with ASD, compared with 860 (0.9%) diagnosed with ASD among those with siblings without ASD (P < .001). The MMR vaccination rate (≥1 dose) for the children with unaffected siblings (siblings without ASD) was 84% (n = 78 564) at 2 years and 92% (n = 86 063) at age 5 years. In contrast, the MMR vaccination rates for children with older siblings with ASD were lower (73% at age 2 years [n = 1409] and 86% [n = 1660] at age 5 years).

In summary, from the sample, ~2% had an older child who developed ASD, and within those families that had such a child, 7% of those households had at least a 2nd child who developed it... Versus ~1% of a younger child developing it without having an older sibling with it.

Basically a 1 - 2% chance overall... Which to me, seems genetic.

[awoke_in_2003]

6. What the actual fuck???

These people are insane.

[LynneSin]

11. These people are sick and need mental help

It's obvious they have no clue about the real danger of these diseases - about the hundred of thousands of lives that either died or were forever disabled because we had no way of preventing them back before these vaccines existed.

Unfortunately we have no immunization against Adult Stupidity.

[Little Tich]

14. I think the picture really shows how little anti-vaxx beliefs are grounded in science.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Wow and after all their Holocaust references to boot?!

The level of disgusting just keeps getting worse and worse. Next stop...linking vaccinations to pedophilia. You just know it is coming.

[Novara]

24. Jesus Christ, sexual rape is not equivalent to a vaccination

Any chemical compound injected into a human being has potential to harm. However, these studies have shown over and over that the MMR vaccine DOES NOT CAUSE autism. Any potential harm is mostly slight, and includes minor things such as soreness at the injection site. But for statistical purposes even that minor thing is cataloged as a reaction. So you have to look deeper if you want the full story. If you see a number that represents "harm" that you think proves your point that vaccines are dangerous, remember that "harm" includes such minor things as soreness at the injection site. Ever get a flu shot and felt a little sore/crappy afterwards?

We HAD eradicated diseases such as measles, smallpox, etc. It has been shown there is absolutely no link to autism. Never has been, in a legitimate study. Unfortunately people believed the bogus study that prompted "victims funds" and widespread panic in the uninformed.

[geek tragedy]

25. "Something studies show will cause damage".

Anti-vaxxer garbage.

[Gothmog]

28. Anti-vaccers are sad people

This line of attack is really offensive

[HockeyMom]

29. I want my right as adult to refuse ALL medical treatment

which includes: my own personal doctor, free yearly wellness physical, free preventive tests (cholesterol, blood pressure, mammograms. pap tests, colonscrophies, etc., etc.), vaccinations, medications, etc. Basically, everything the ACA says I MUST be given. Shove it.

Anti-vaxxer? Oh, that just scratches the surface. I want medicine to leave me alone. You can lead a horse to water (ACA), but you cannot force him to drink (USE that new insurance/go to a doctor).

First the children. Next?

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/02/06/2015-02481/solicitation-of-written-comments-on-the-draft-national-adult-immunization-plan

Scroll down to the link to see their plan for YOU, not little children. Database? Your medical records not private? Vaccinations at your job, church? "Catch up" vaccinations that weren't around for adults like Hep B (newborns given that) and Guardasil?

I certainly wrote to them. Not just no, but HELL NO. The date for public comments (like they care?) was extended, but people I know kept getting errors when they tried to comment. My guess is that they were getting far too many negative comments from the ADULT population who does not like their rights being taken away.

Would you like to be forced to get a flu shot, and dozens of others you might not have have in childhood, according to the CDC?

I would not use the word rape, but I certainly would use the words harassment, informed consent, right to refuse medical treatment, and if it came down to it, assault and battery.