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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:33 AM Apr 2015

US Warns Israel To Remain 'committed' To Two-State Solution

Source: Israel Hayom

Undersecretary of State Wendy Sherman on Monday reiterated the White House's concern over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's stance on the two-state solution

In what could be a subtle warning, U.S. Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman said Monday that the Obama administration may not be able to sustain its current level of support for Israel if Jerusalem turns its back on the two-state solution.

Sherman was speaking at the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism Biennial Leadership Policy Conference in Arlington, Virginia. Sherman is the head of the U.S. delegation for the talks with Iran on its nuclear program.

Sherman reiterated the White House's concern over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's assertion that given the current circumstances, the creation of a Palestinian state was unfeasible, noting that this could complicate the peace process if it becomes official policy. "If the new Israeli government is seen as stepping back from its commitment to a two-state solution, something that all of you and a vast majority of American Jews supports, that makes our job in the international arena a lot tougher because our ability to push back on efforts to internationalize efforts to address Israeli-Palestinian issues has depended on our insistence that the best course in achieving a two-solution is through direct negotiation between the parties," she said.

Read more: http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=25091



U.S.: It Will Be Hard To Support Israel In UN If It Steps Back From Two-State Solution

U.S. Undersecretary of State Wendy Sherman on Monday warned Jewish leaders that if the new Israeli government does not demonstrate its commitment to the two-state solution, the U.S. will have a difficult time continuing to assist its efforts to halt international initiatives on the Palestinian issue at the United Nations.

Sherman told a conference of the Reform Movement that the U.S. has always supported Israel and given its diplomatic backing in the international arena, even when it meant standing alone against the rest of the world.

"We have always had Israel's back in the international arena, even when it meant standing alone," Sherman said. "This will continue to be the case."

Nevertheless, she said, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's actions during the election period "raised questions about his commitment to the two-state solution."

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.653819
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US Warns Israel To Remain 'committed' To Two-State Solution (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2015 OP
Not LBN.. Very Orange Apr 2015 #1
Bibi's strategy right now is to try to wait out the Obama Administration and hope totodeinhere Apr 2015 #2
Romney did a disservice to Israel & the USA when he trotted out his 'friendship' /w buddie 'Bibi' Sunlei Apr 2015 #11
AYFKM Who do you think is in charge in Israel now? Israel exports more weapons as % of GDP than the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #19
what? Israel probably exports the cheap weapons to the USA, mark-up 1000% & split profits Sunlei Apr 2015 #21
Are you f#$%ing kidding me? Meaning the right wing corporate types are already in Israel. okaawhatever Apr 2015 #23
Of course profiteers are in that country. gunrunning & wars are a big profitable business Sunlei Apr 2015 #24
That's weird. The Palestinians reject a two-state solution, themselves. That Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #3
Not a single word of your post is true. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #6
The official position of the Palestinian Authority supports a two-state solution. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #13
Hamas holds the power in Gaza, not the PA. former9thward Apr 2015 #18
Not true. The PA holds authority in the West Bank. Plus the PA is totodeinhere Apr 2015 #20
No they don't hold the authority. former9thward Apr 2015 #22
Sure, it's more complicated, but that's the bottom line. Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #29
No, Hamas rejects it but the PA don't. LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #14
I think it's clear that Netanyahu wants an apartheid, one-state solution. closeupready Apr 2015 #4
US diplomacy at its most surreal . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #5
The US has never fought a war for Israel LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #15
Dear Brit FairWinds Apr 2015 #25
It's one thng to allege the Israelis 'cleared EVERYTHING'' with Israel, and another to Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #30
Joe, jeez . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #31
Support the two state solution OR ELSE... NobodyHere Apr 2015 #7
How to get Israel to negotiate a two-state solution FAST yurbud Apr 2015 #8
Meaningless gesture hack89 Apr 2015 #12
some Palestinians already ARE Israeli citizens, and some have entertained a one state solution yurbud Apr 2015 #16
But there is no way to legally impose it hack89 Apr 2015 #17
Tie the time limit to a cessation of US funding of Israel. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #27
Never will happen hack89 Apr 2015 #28
In what could be a subtle warning? gordianot Apr 2015 #9
not "always" had Israels back in the "international arena". Sunlei Apr 2015 #10
'remain'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #26

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
2. Bibi's strategy right now is to try to wait out the Obama Administration and hope
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:49 AM
Apr 2015

for a better deal from his perspective from the next administration.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. Romney did a disservice to Israel & the USA when he trotted out his 'friendship' /w buddie 'Bibi'
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:32 PM
Apr 2015
Let republican 'businessmen' get a toe in your country and their RW war contractors will "own your country" forever, at least several decades or more.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
19. AYFKM Who do you think is in charge in Israel now? Israel exports more weapons as % of GDP than the
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 04:46 PM
Apr 2015

US

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
21. what? Israel probably exports the cheap weapons to the USA, mark-up 1000% & split profits
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:03 PM
Apr 2015

with the American gun sellers. what's a 'AYFKM'

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
23. Are you f#$%ing kidding me? Meaning the right wing corporate types are already in Israel.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:12 PM
Apr 2015

The neo-cons in Israel are like twin brothers to the neo-cons in the US. There is nothing we can teach them that they don't already know.

Israel exports arms to many countries in Europe. Latin America, Africa, China, S Korea etc. The article I linked to says their arms exports in 2012 were $3.83 billion. That is a country with only 8 million people.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.567693

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. Of course profiteers are in that country. gunrunning & wars are a big profitable business
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:23 PM
Apr 2015

Ask Cheney, Chief Gunrunner for the Dubai Boyz.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
3. That's weird. The Palestinians reject a two-state solution, themselves. That
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:03 PM
Apr 2015

is the problem Netanyahu seeks to address. They make no secret of their determination to drive out the Jews, asap, once the first step, the two-state 'solution', is accomplished.

It's not even a matter of subtle, Byzantine diplomacy by the Palestinians. They couldn't have been more 'up front' about it.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
13. The official position of the Palestinian Authority supports a two-state solution.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

There are some Palestinians including members of Hamas who reject a two state solution but when you make a blanket statement that "the Palestinians reject a two-state solution" you are incorrect. It is more complicated than that.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
20. Not true. The PA holds authority in the West Bank. Plus the PA is
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 04:53 PM
Apr 2015

officially recognized by the international community. Hamas is not.

former9thward

(31,963 posts)
22. No they don't hold the authority.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:10 PM
Apr 2015

Hamas came to power after killing off PA opponents and then holding phony elections. Nobody in Gaza cares who is recognized by the "international community". You can pretend if you want but I live in the real world.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
29. Sure, it's more complicated, but that's the bottom line.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

Neither Hamas nor the Palestinians will rest, until they've expelled the Jews. Nor indeed, the so-called 'international community, because they will continue to fan the anti-Jewish hatred in the Palestinians, as they've been doing up to now, with such predictably catastrophic results for the poor Palestinians.

If hostile Arabic nations would cease to use the Palestinians, indeed, any 'terrorists' to hand, as surrogates for their own armies (with the so-called, 'international community' of Jew-haters egging them on), the Palestinians would have thrived enormously, instead of suffering enormously and, worse, needlessly and in vain. Presumably, as a result of their generic hostility, Palestinian workers get paid less than Jewish workers, and there's been much grumbling about it. But you know what? They still get paid more than their Arabic brethren in Arabic countries.

The Arabs are killing each other left right and centre, but the UN, mostly Moslem, are only interested in those wicked Jews, who are, in fact, legendary exemplars of looking after their own. Arguably, sometimes to a fault. But like the Cubans, Jewish Israelis look after a whole lot of other people, too - including injured Palestinians in their hospitals, while some of those Palestinian patients' compatriots were and occasionally still are sending rockets into Israel.

I've put the word, 'terrorist' in inverted commas, because frequently, though not in this case, while dubbed 'terrorists' by our eternally perjurious media, they are, in fact, 'freedom-fighters'.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
14. No, Hamas rejects it but the PA don't.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 03:53 PM
Apr 2015

Similarly, many Israelis do want a two-state solution; but Netanyahu and his even worse likely coalition partners don't.

If the Israeli Right and the Palestinian Right don't stop digging their heels in, they will drag down both peoples.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. I think it's clear that Netanyahu wants an apartheid, one-state solution.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

I know plenty of Israelis (and Palestinians, BTW) who do want a two-state solution, and not the swiss cheese Palestine plan which was backed by the Clinton administration. A REAL state based on 1967 borders, with territorial integrity.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
5. US diplomacy at its most surreal . .
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:19 PM
Apr 2015

Israel has done nothing for decades other than
sabotage the two state solution.

Not to mention fomenting wars for the US to fight for them.

Obama has the authority to cut off military aid to Israel,
and should do so immediately.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
15. The US has never fought a war for Israel
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 03:56 PM
Apr 2015

Given them money, yes. And Obama ought to use this aid as a lever; 'no more until and unless you shape up!'

But as regards wars - America did not get involved in the Lebanon or Gaza wars, and Israel had no involvement in starting the Iraq or Afghanistan wars - I wish I could say that much for the UK!

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
25. Dear Brit
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:58 PM
Apr 2015

I respectfully disagree.

Check out the writings of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatowski
who was attached to the Neo-Con desk at the Pentagon in 2002-3. She reports
that the Neo-Cons cleared EVERYTHING with Israel, including going to war in Iraq.

Whatever the govt. of Israel wanted from the USG in terms of war & peace - they got.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
30. It's one thng to allege the Israelis 'cleared EVERYTHING'' with Israel, and another to
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

imply that the Israelis pushed for it.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
31. Joe, jeez . .
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:03 PM
Apr 2015

you're kidding, right?

"clearing everything" would sorta seem to include war.

Seriously, read the Colonel's work, please.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
8. How to get Israel to negotiate a two-state solution FAST
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:30 PM
Apr 2015

Set time limit and the United States will be a resolution at the United Nations to recognize ONE
state with equal rights for all races and religions

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. Meaningless gesture
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:39 PM
Apr 2015

there is no way to impose a one state solution. It also presumes that the Palestinians want to become Israeli citizens.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. Tie the time limit to a cessation of US funding of Israel.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 06:15 PM
Apr 2015

It might not get anything actually done, but it will give us a way to quit wasting money funding Israeli missiles used to level Gaza every so often.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
28. Never will happen
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

there is strong bipartisan support for Israel while support for Palestine is weak with no support from any party. Palestinian statehood is the ultimate fringe issue in America.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
9. In what could be a subtle warning?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:49 PM
Apr 2015

Subtle warnings are seldom picked up by media. A couple steps down from visiting in person the opposition in the country you are trying to influence. In Diplomatic terms this is a bullhorn. After committing all his capital wooing Republicons, Netanyahu has to hope said Republicons can help him. Republicons are the party that is not trustworthy a charge they like to level at others.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. not "always" had Israels back in the "international arena".
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:15 PM
Apr 2015

"We have always had Israel's back in the international arena, even when it meant standing alone," Sherman said. "This will continue to be the case."


When the occupier-Britt's moved out and Jewish survivors and others moved into Israel, they moved into the areas the Britt's set-up for them.

At that time the USA gave and sold surplus WW2 military planes, & weapons to Jordan and Egypt.

No military WW2 surplus to Israel, the USA refused to sell any military equipment to Israel. USA even made it a crime to sell military surplus to Israel.

If not for those few and brave (many Americans, WW2 Vets) who bought and smuggled in some planes and WW2 surplus for Israel, Jordan and Egypt would have crushed/exterminated Israels Jewish population.

On the positive side today, Iran and Saudi Arabia have never gotten along. I think the Saudis, and their UAE billionaires play land(Dubai) twin country also in a way 'back Israel'. They won't let Iran go nuclear weapon because use of those weapons would destroy their countries too.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. 'remain'?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 06:12 PM
Apr 2015

As we learned from Bibi, it's been a pretense all along, just a way to string along the international community while Israel bulldozes ever more Palestinian homes, builds ever more settlements, tears down ever more olive groves, bombs the crap out of Palestinian hospitals and schools.

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