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Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:57 PM May 2015

Amtrak train crashes in Philadelphia, wreckage 'pretty bad'

Source: KWWL.com and AP

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - An Amtrak train headed to New York City crashed in Philadelphia on Tuesday night, and several people appeared to be injured.

Train 188, a Northeast Regional, had left Washington, D.C., earlier Tuesday. The front of the train was going into a turn when it shook.

An Associated Press employee, Paul Cheung, was on the train and said it appeared it went off the tracks. He said he was fortunate to be at the back of the train and the front of it "looks pretty bad."

Police swarming the Port Richmond area where the crash occurred are telling people to get back.

Former Congressman Patrick Murphy was on the train and said he has been helping people. He tweeted photos of firefighters helping people in the wreckage.

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Read more: http://www.kwwl.com/story/29048453/amtrak-train-from-washington-crashes-in-philadelphia



Seeing aerial shots of the scene on MSNBC and CNN - it looks pretty bad...
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Amtrak train crashes in Philadelphia, wreckage 'pretty bad' (Original Post) Cooley Hurd May 2015 OP
Per Rachel Maddow, former Rep Patrick Murphy on board, unhurt Cooley Hurd May 2015 #1
Jeez, watching the helicopter shots, it looks pretty bad. Cooley Hurd May 2015 #2
According to MSNBC, 5 were killed, 65 injured, 6 still in critical condition. Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #60
one word: INFRASTRUCTURE wordpix May 2015 #69
I wholeheartedly agree... Cooley Hurd May 2015 #79
I also couldn't agree more. Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #82
Up to 7 now, with a few still missing... Cooley Hurd May 2015 #78
I did turn on MSNBC before I left today and they said that 7 had now died Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #80
There are a few still missing... :-( Cooley Hurd May 2015 #81
The one train car looks like it's bent in half Renew Deal May 2015 #3
Patrick Murphy giving Lawrence O'Donnell some good details OKNancy May 2015 #4
The Port Richmond section of the city is right near the Delaware River BumRushDaShow May 2015 #5
Watching it on local news. Have heard emerg vehicles/sirens/helicopters from my house Heddi May 2015 #6
Heard on KYW that they closed Frankford Ave. BumRushDaShow May 2015 #7
My husband works at an ER on Frankford Ave Heddi May 2015 #8
Here's an overhead of that area Renew Deal May 2015 #13
Here's closer to where it is, Wheatsheaf and Frankford, a bit to the west Heddi May 2015 #17
Oh geeze - I just checked a map BumRushDaShow May 2015 #14
The news was saying that it's in a very industrial area, Heddi May 2015 #15
I just heard it's Wheatsheaf and Frankford Ave, not Aramingo Heddi May 2015 #16
Looking at the overhead map BumRushDaShow May 2015 #19
Is that before or after the Philadelphia stop? Renew Deal May 2015 #22
There're only two stops - 30th Street & North Philadelphia Station BumRushDaShow May 2015 #24
Lawrence O'Donnell is now interviewing an NBC employee who was on the train. elleng May 2015 #9
Derailment is in the Port Richmond area (North Philly) brooklynite May 2015 #10
at least 50 injuries, 8-9 cars derailed Heddi May 2015 #12
Techncially not "North Philly" but near the Delaware River (East) BumRushDaShow May 2015 #18
I think one of the first people who was interviewed is that they were late and going about 60 jwirr May 2015 #32
At least 50 reportedly injured after Amtrak train derails in Philadelphia Hissyspit May 2015 #11
Hoping all of my Philly friends here are safe at home. onehandle May 2015 #20
Channel 6 has Dan Cuellar at the scene BumRushDaShow May 2015 #21
Just a few minutes from us. onehandle May 2015 #44
Jim Gardner just announced BumRushDaShow May 2015 #47
Continuing live coverage on MSNBC with views from the scene Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #23
REBUILD AMERICA !!!! trueblue2007 May 2015 #25
Yeah, but... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #29
But that would take money. AngryOldDem May 2015 #66
From the video, it looks like the train took out one of the overhead wire support structures... brooklynite May 2015 #26
And a support pole impaled one of the cars BumRushDaShow May 2015 #31
All of the NEC is overhead electrified at this point. brooklynite May 2015 #33
I found some articles about an infamous train wreck here in the same area in 1943 BumRushDaShow May 2015 #38
Richard Esposito (NBC): Sources say several fatalities brooklynite May 2015 #27
heres another link with pictures Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #28
Your link has some very good pictures that show what it looks like. BumRushDaShow May 2015 #39
I know what you mean, Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #43
That kind of mangling is incredible BumRushDaShow May 2015 #46
No doubt the morning news will put the light to it. Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #49
They're going to probably be covering this all night BumRushDaShow May 2015 #50
And it keeps getting worse. Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #51
Apparently an issue with the track BumRushDaShow May 2015 #52
do they know if all the passengers are accounted for ? Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #53
I think that is what the search teams are doing BumRushDaShow May 2015 #54
Those numbers are up Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #56
Yup. BumRushDaShow May 2015 #57
I would imagine ghost quite because most resources are dispatched to the scene of the accident. Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #59
No BumRushDaShow May 2015 #61
Local NYC nooze heavily covering it... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #30
Philadelphia Inquirer reports statement by Police Chief Ramsey shortly brooklynite May 2015 #34
Amtrak hotline for family and friends: 1-800-523-9101 brooklynite May 2015 #35
Mayor Nutter speaking now brooklynite May 2015 #36
CONFIRMED: 5 deceased brooklynite May 2015 #37
What about that car that appears mangled? Dawson Leery May 2015 #40
That completely mangled car is insane. BumRushDaShow May 2015 #42
Here is the car that had it's steel enclosure ripped apart. Dawson Leery May 2015 #45
Only thing I can think of is BumRushDaShow May 2015 #48
morning report was that rails came off, as well as cars wordpix May 2015 #68
If a rail partially lifted up off the bed as it rounded that curve BumRushDaShow May 2015 #70
"a series of bright flashes" mahatmakanejeeves May 2015 #75
MSNBC aired 2 more (grainy) surveillance videos BumRushDaShow May 2015 #76
Holy crap. joshcryer May 2015 #58
These Train Cars RobinA May 2015 #64
I expect too that BumRushDaShow May 2015 #65
rail expert talking about Congress' failure to appropriate $ for rails wordpix May 2015 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite May 2015 #41
Heres Cnn 's link with live updates Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #55
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #62
6 Dead: NYTimes Hissyspit May 2015 #63
Thanks for the excellent coverage. mahatmakanejeeves May 2015 #67
Waving hi BumRushDaShow May 2015 #71
‘Horrific scene’: 7 dead, at least 200 hurt in Amtrak train derailment mahatmakanejeeves May 2015 #74
Death toll now 7 brooklynite May 2015 #73
Alex Wagner just said the NTSB preliminary: train was going > 100 mph BumRushDaShow May 2015 #77

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
69. one word: INFRASTRUCTURE
Wed May 13, 2015, 10:26 AM
May 2015

I travel this route regularly and am just as often freaked out by the old creaky infrastructure. Bridges, rails, sight lines, drainage, etc. appear to have not been renovated/revamped for many decades. I have rarely seen workers improving the corridor's infrastructure---maybe once. And I've traveled the route for decades.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
79. I wholeheartedly agree...
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:06 PM
May 2015

...but we should wait for the details in order to fully examine the causes of the wreck.

Rhiannon12866

(204,794 posts)
82. I also couldn't agree more.
Wed May 13, 2015, 11:31 PM
May 2015

Something horrifically tragic like this happens, and it's in the headlines for a few days or weeks, and the talk is all about our crumbling/outmoded infrastructure and how we immediately need to address it. But then the headlines fade and we move on to other concerns, and the danger out there is eventually forgotten.

In my neck of the woods, the Schoharie Bridge collapsed, cars fell into the swollen spring waters and ten people were killed. Two of them were distant relatives of mine, a mother and daughter on their way to another daughter's baby shower. And three men in another car actually worked with my father, coworkers on their way home from a company sponsored bowling tournament.

But that was in 1987 and the bridge has been replaced, but how many more bridges/overpasses/outmoded structures like that are out there? Meanwhile, kids have grown up without moms and dads, but most people won't think about it until it happens again.

Rhiannon12866

(204,794 posts)
80. I did turn on MSNBC before I left today and they said that 7 had now died
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:29 PM
May 2015

And that there was still mass confusion about who was still missing, who had been taken to hospitals and people trying to locate loved ones...

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
3. The one train car looks like it's bent in half
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:14 PM
May 2015

This looks like it will be a major disaster.

MSNBC: "240 passengers. 8-10 cars derailed. Multiple Inuries."

Firefighters told Patrick Murphy 211 passengers.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
6. Watching it on local news. Have heard emerg vehicles/sirens/helicopters from my house
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:19 PM
May 2015

I'm about...oh, a couple of miles from the wreck but right on a main road that leads to that area. Have been hearing sirens and helicopters for the last bit

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
7. Heard on KYW that they closed Frankford Ave.
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:22 PM
May 2015

The whole area is going to be crazy the rest of the week.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
8. My husband works at an ER on Frankford Ave
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:24 PM
May 2015

glad he's not working tonight!


I live in Northern Liberties and it's been sirens for the last 20-30 minutes non stop. Helicopters, etc. So they're life-flighting people out.


On Edit: The TV is saying it's around Aramingo and Wheatsheaf Lane, near where the Walmart is up there.

Apparently the "quiet car" got the worst of it.

They're saying 8-9 cars or more derailed, at least 50 injuries, many more expected

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
14. Oh geeze - I just checked a map
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:38 PM
May 2015

and know that area over there (I am in Chestnut Hill but used to substitute teach in Port Richmond years ago). There's alot of big box stores there (used to be alot of warehouses years ago).

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
15. The news was saying that it's in a very industrial area,
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:42 PM
May 2015

just abandoned warehouses and junked cars, no houses or businesses in danger (?)

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
16. I just heard it's Wheatsheaf and Frankford Ave, not Aramingo
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:43 PM
May 2015

same general area, but a bit further away from the box stores

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
19. Looking at the overhead map
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:56 PM
May 2015

there's like a "Y" split of tracks right near Frankford Ave to the west and Wheatsheaf to the east. Biggest streets nearby appear to be Glenwood & Butler. Aramingo would be southeast of that section.

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
22. Is that before or after the Philadelphia stop?
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:06 PM
May 2015

Does Amtrak allow you to buy a ticket on the train? Is it possible people just hopped on?

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
24. There're only two stops - 30th Street & North Philadelphia Station
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:13 PM
May 2015

This happened after both (the closer one being North Philadephia)... The tracks are elevated as they go through a very very congested part of the city. Alot of blocks of homes and warehouses and now big box stores where old warehouses used to be. Can't "hop on" there - the train would have been in-motion all the way (unless it had a stop signal - appears to be alot of train track splitoffs right in that area).

elleng

(130,757 posts)
9. Lawrence O'Donnell is now interviewing an NBC employee who was on the train.
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:27 PM
May 2015

No discussion from her, or Patrick Murphy, that there were many serious injuries. Many were NOT injured.

brooklynite

(94,364 posts)
10. Derailment is in the Port Richmond area (North Philly)
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:31 PM
May 2015

Collision appears to have happened on a curve where trains to Atlantic City split off.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
12. at least 50 injuries, 8-9 cars derailed
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:33 PM
May 2015

10 people to Temple, the rest to Aria Frankford and Aria Torresdale.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
18. Techncially not "North Philly" but near the Delaware River (East)
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:45 PM
May 2015

in what they call the "River Wards" (Northern Liberties, Fishtown, Port Richmond, etc.).

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
32. I think one of the first people who was interviewed is that they were late and going about 60
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:32 PM
May 2015

mph. Rachel just said a gentle curve.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
11. At least 50 reportedly injured after Amtrak train derails in Philadelphia
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:33 PM
May 2015

@RawStory: WATCH LIVE: At least 50 reportedly injured after Amtrak train derails in Philadelphia http://t.co/WsGgoLm8ri/s/JTsr

m.twitter.com/RawStory

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
20. Hoping all of my Philly friends here are safe at home.
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:02 PM
May 2015

Time for Republicans to cut train investment and infrastructure again.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
47. Jim Gardner just announced
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:27 AM
May 2015

that the Trenton Line will probably be out the rest of the week. Then he mentioned the Chestnut Hill West being out (which makes no sense as the Chestnut Hill East line is what becomes the Trenton line).

trueblue2007

(17,194 posts)
25. REBUILD AMERICA !!!!
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:17 PM
May 2015


https://www.whitehouse.gov/rebuild-america

Over the years, as our transportation spending has gone down, congestion and maintenance backlogs have gone up.

65% of our roads are rated in less than good condition

25% of our bridges require significant repair or can't handle today's traffic

45% of Americans lack access to transit

And we're falling behind our competitors internationally as a result. Let's fix it.

The President's plan would rebuild our roads and bridges in a smarter, more responsible way while supporting millions of jobs will mean:


Providing the certainty that cities, states, and private investors need to break ground on major projects.

Increasing investments by 38 percent over four years to better meet the needs of a growing population.

Reforming our programs to make sure we're prioritizing projects not based on politics — but on how much good they'd do.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
29. Yeah, but...
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:28 PM
May 2015

we're worrying over the TPP and the rightwing is worrying over taxes and Pentagon cuts.

Let our schools, roads, and infrastructure go to hell while we argue over the "important" things.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
66. But that would take money.
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:11 AM
May 2015


I've come to the conclusion that infrastructure will NEVER be a priority in this country.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
31. And a support pole impaled one of the cars
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:30 PM
May 2015
Am trying to figure out how that happened unless one car hit it and it pulled the wires down bringing the support down on another car.

I know some parts of the Amtrak rails are electric and others are diesel (and they share with our Regional Rail).

brooklynite

(94,364 posts)
27. Richard Esposito (NBC): Sources say several fatalities
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:21 PM
May 2015

Tom Winter ‏@Tom_Winter 2m2 minutes ago
NBC News' @REspositoNBC reports that a senior source says several fatalities in the crash of Amtrak Train #188 in Philadelphia.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
39. Your link has some very good pictures that show what it looks like.
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:58 PM
May 2015

I hope those tanker cars are empty!



This is just insane -



Even got the bike cops out there -



Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
43. I know what you mean,
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:18 AM
May 2015

pretty scary stuff.

The Daily Mail is pretty much visual oriented and quick to get the latest breaking up and on the net. Tabloid ,but it's useful.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
46. That kind of mangling is incredible
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:22 AM
May 2015

It's going to be something else once we can see it in the light (and people can see what else is surrounding that location).

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
50. They're going to probably be covering this all night
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:57 AM
May 2015

notably the cable news stations... and perhaps for the next couple days. When a regional rail train in Connecticut derailed a couple years ago on Amtrak tracks, Amtrak service in that area was suspended for at least 4 days. This is worse...

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
52. Apparently an issue with the track
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:12 AM
May 2015

where the train derailed and was able to slow but was then leaning into the opposite track enough for a train coming the other way to sideswipe it almost head-on.

As a side note - I have MSNBC on and Nutter is speaking again and the Governor (Tom Wolf) is with him now.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
54. I think that is what the search teams are doing
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:21 AM
May 2015

-checking cars and trying to determine the whereabouts of any "walk off" passengers. They had set up a staging area at a nearby school for passengers to go who were not quite injured enough to go to the hospital. And I think Amtrak had Septa provide some shuttle buses to move passengers to the staging area. I did hear a report on CNN about possibly 2 more deaths but haven't heard anything else on that (MSNBC is still reporting 5 although they literally just updated the number taken to the hospital to 65).

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
57. Yup.
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:40 AM
May 2015

I expect more will be going to the hospital. The reports were claiming that patients were "in every hospital in the city", although I'm just a couple miles from one and live on a main thoroughfare that seemingly attracts every ambulance known to mankind that blast through the intersections here to get to that hospital... yet it's been almost ghost quiet out there. I am on the opposite side of the city, probably about 7 miles away from the scene.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
59. I would imagine ghost quite because most resources are dispatched to the scene of the accident.
Wed May 13, 2015, 02:07 AM
May 2015

You are right close aren't you ?

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
61. No
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:52 AM
May 2015

(sorry - it was after 2 am and had to go to bed ).

I think the mayor indicated that the fire department called for a "4-alarm" (mayor said a total of "33 apparatuses&quot , so no, nowhere near "most" resources over there. A former co-worker's husband used to work for the fire department and I think she said there are usually "8 pieces of equipment" per alarm (including engines, squirts, ladder trucks, EMT). For example, not that far from there, there was an 8-alarm "tire fire" under I95 about 20 years ago that had 32 engines alone on the scene (and there would also be ladder trucks, squirt trucks, water cannon trucks, and medic units, etc.). I think there is one engine per station and the city has 61 fire stations, so this would have been about 1/2 that tire fire situation. Did not hear even the usual police car whoop whooping it down the street.

I'm about 7 miles from there, on the opposite side of the city.

Edit to add a map - I am in NW Philly and this map shows the river area (the section that says "Kensington", "Bridesburg", etc, whre Port Richmond is)-

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
42. That completely mangled car is insane.
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:13 AM
May 2015

And this one wrapped around a pole and its wheels are up in the air -



CNN has someone saying there's an awful lot of damage that couldn't just be from the derailment.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
48. Only thing I can think of is
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:39 AM
May 2015

a front car derailed and slammed into a support beam, bending it in half enough for the next car in line to get its sides ripped apart as it got dragged off the rails into the bent support and/or cross-beam now in the way.

I did hear from an earlier report that the engine ended up completely separated from the rest of the cars that it was pulling.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
70. If a rail partially lifted up off the bed as it rounded that curve
Wed May 13, 2015, 10:53 AM
May 2015

then that would have done it in.

There was some surveillance video shown on CNN overnight from a nearby warehouse and you could see the very bottom of the train running by the site of the camera at pretty good clip before there was a pause when the train was out of the visual, and then there is a series of bright flashes as the train apparently came off the rails (there were multiple flashes and even a couple sparks/debris evident on the tape).

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,319 posts)
75. "a series of bright flashes"
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:47 PM
May 2015

Those were from ground faults as the catenary (overhead electrical wiring), energized at 12.0 kilovolts, came down.

Amtrak's 25 Hz traction power system

Amtrak's 25 Hz Traction Power System is a traction power grid operated by Amtrak along the southern portion of its Northeast Corridor (NEC): the 225 route miles (362 km) between Washington, D.C. and New York City and the 104 route miles (167 km) between Philadelphia and Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania Railroad constructed it between 1915 and 1938. Amtrak inherited the system from Penn Central, the successor to Pennsylvania Railroad, in 1976 along with the Northeast Corridor. In addition to serving the NEC, the system provides power to New Jersey Transit Rail Operations (NJT), the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA) and the Maryland Area Regional Commuter Train (MARC). Only about half of the system's electrical capacity is used by Amtrak. The remainder is sold to the commuter railroads who operate their trains along the corridor.

Had I not been just plain out of cash, I would have attended a meeting about the electrification of the Northeast Corridor at lunch yesterday.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
76. MSNBC aired 2 more (grainy) surveillance videos
Wed May 13, 2015, 02:27 PM
May 2015

and yes - definitely the catenary lines... The views were zoomed looking towards an area where apparently you can see one of the train cars overturn, slam the ground, and slide a bit (with the flashes on the other side of it).

One of the passengers (who has been out there giving interviews overnight and today) mentioned something a little different this latest time I heard him - he said that in his car, they felt a strong "bump", and then a 2nd "bump", and then after the 3rd "bump", their car started leaning as the train had started to derail.

And I spent 6 primary school years riding those rails back and forth to school every morning - 2 years going to the end of the line northbound and 4 years going to the end of the line southbound (on "Penn Central" back then right when they were going bankrupt). I could literally tell you where we were based on the "feel" and sounds the train made on the tracks. The engineers would let us kids ride in the cabin with them and they taught us all their little hand signals. High school ended up being 2 SEPTA buses to and from.

Commuting to work was 3 more years on those rails and then I had had enough!

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
64. These Train Cars
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:08 AM
May 2015

are hollow aluminum tubes. It doesn't take a lot to turn them into a ball of foil. Plus, I believe they are engineered so that to an extent they crunch instead of telescoping, which in the past has caused many horrible amputation injuries and deaths.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
65. I expect too that
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:34 AM
May 2015

engineering them this way also makes them lighter in weight (perhaps allowing them to be more energy efficient). What was interesting to see from the shots in the daylight, was all the sets of wheel platforms that had broken free from the underside of the cars that derailed... Apparently they are designed to do that.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
72. rail expert talking about Congress' failure to appropriate $ for rails
Wed May 13, 2015, 11:18 AM
May 2015

says appropriating 1/2 cent/gal from gasoline tax would cure them

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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,319 posts)
67. Thanks for the excellent coverage.
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:16 AM
May 2015

Last edited Wed May 13, 2015, 01:12 PM - Edit history (4)

Especially to BumRushDaShow for his her (and that's what I get for gender stereotyping) explanation of what emergency responders have with them when they arrive, in post #61.

Some links to previous derailments mentioned in the thread:

Frankford Junction train wreck

Fairfield train crash

I didn't have the TV on last night until just before I went to bed. At the time, there was no talk of fatalities. This morning, there was a picture on page A3 of the Washington Post, showing the bent passenger car. Usually in a derailment, the car's maintain their shape. They might be accordioned all over the place, but they don't bend.

I'm pretty sure those cars are built of stainless steel. The Federal Railroad Administration has crashworthiness standards that have to be met, which is one reason Talgo equipment is having such a hard time gaining a foothold in the US.

Amtrak rolling stock

Someone at Trainorders will weigh in with the serial numbers of the cars involved.

Re: the tank cars seen in posts #39 and #42. Railroad tank cars carry just about any liquid that can be made to flow. I'm looking for other views of them, so that I can determine, through placards, if they were carrying hazardous materials.

I have a meeting to go to. I'll try to get in some more links later.

ETA: links at Trainorders:

Amtrak derailment in Philly

Amtrak Derailment

Same Curve in Philadelphia September 6 1943

This is a bad time for politics. Please, let's think of those injured and killed, and of the emergency responders who must do their jobs amid the carnage.

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
71. Waving hi
Wed May 13, 2015, 11:06 AM
May 2015
(I am a she).

Am hoping this may be a catalyst for some funding to get the rail infrastructure upgraded for Amtrak.... But then other events often overtake the focus on this type of need.

At least PA was finally able to get some dedicated funding for our regional transit system (SEPTA) that also shares rails with Amtrak and Conrail/CSX, so the light and heavy rail portions can get substandard or crumbling train bridges and other infrastructure repaired.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,319 posts)
74. ‘Horrific scene’: 7 dead, at least 200 hurt in Amtrak train derailment
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:31 PM
May 2015
‘Horrific scene’: 7 dead, at least 200 hurt in Amtrak train derailment

Transportation
By Ashley Halsey III, Julie Zauzmer and Dana Hedgpeth May 13 at 12:55 PM
@ashleyhalsey3rd
@JulieZauzmer
@postmetrogirl

Federal investigators and other rail experts said Wednesday that they have recovered the data recorder from the wreckage of an Amtrak train that originated in Washington and derailed in Philadelphia, leaving seven people dead, more than 200 hospitalized and shutting down train service along parts of the busy Northeast corridor.

Among those killed was a Naval Academy midshipman. According to family members, Justin Zemser, 20, of Rockaway Beach, N.Y., was on leave and headed home. Another passenger said to be among those killed is Jim Gaines, a video software architect from the Associated Press. Gaines, a 48-year-old father of two, had attended a meeting in Washington and was returning home to Plainsboro, N.J., according to a confirmation from his wife, the AP said.
....

Amtrak made several changes to its popular Northeast regional train service in the wake of the derailment, including canceling service between Philadelphia and New York. Trains between Washington and Philadelphia were running on a modified schedule. Amtrak said the changes could last throughout the week.

Authorities had no immediate comment on what caused the derailment, but trains are equipped with sensitive data recorders — akin to the so-called black boxes on aircraft — that measure factors such as speed. ... Downloading data from the black box should give investigators clues about horn use, speed or other information that could help them figure out what happened, officials said.
....

Mark Berman, Hamil Harris, Jennifer Jenkins, Michael E. Ruane, Ian Shapira, T. Rees Shapiro, Perry Stein and Susan Svrluga contributed to this report.

Why Amtrak trains derail

72 years ago, a deadly derailment occurred at same Philadelphia spot

brooklynite

(94,364 posts)
73. Death toll now 7
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:59 PM
May 2015

Seven fatalities have been reported, after a body was found in the wreckage on Wednesday. Area hospitals have treated more than 200. There is not yet a count of the number of people missing or not accounted for. A Naval Academy midshipman and Associated Press staff member are among those killed. The train was en route to New York from Washington with 238 passengers and five crew members aboard.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/live_chats/Live-coverage-Amtrak-crash-.html

BumRushDaShow

(128,521 posts)
77. Alex Wagner just said the NTSB preliminary: train was going > 100 mph
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:03 PM
May 2015


The speed limit at that spot is 50 mph. IMHO, they probably shouldn't go more than 35 mph.
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