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Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:30 PM May 2015

5th-grade student takes school guard's gun from holster

Source: Associated Press

5th-grade student takes school guard's gun from holster
| May 13, 2015 | Updated: May 13, 2015 3:46pm

ANDERSON, S.C. (AP) — A South Carolina school district has asked a private security guard not to return after a fifth-grader was able to pull the officer's gun out of its holster.

Anderson School District 5 spokesman Kyle Newton told media outlets that the guard was sitting on a bench Monday with a student on either side at Varennes Elementary School when one of the students was able to take the gun out of the officer's holster.

Authorities say the gun was not fired and was only free for about 10 seconds.

The guard worked for Defender Services, a private company that helps provide security officers for schools. His name was not released.



Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/5th-grade-student-takes-school-guard-s-gun-from-6261495.php

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5th-grade student takes school guard's gun from holster (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2015 OP
failed society The Jungle 1 May 2015 #1
Well said BrotherIvan May 2015 #6
I agree that the guard shouldn't have let the kid remove the gun from his holster. But the Cal33 May 2015 #7
Well... gcomeau May 2015 #10
This says it all... Kelvin Mace May 2015 #2
if the teachers were also armed Enrique May 2015 #3
The student will become a cop in ten more years. edgineered May 2015 #11
It wasn't his fault. Inmates in an institution are considered a risk, and weapons are generally jtuck004 May 2015 #4
they going to school in a prison? rurallib May 2015 #5
this is fast failing society heaven05 May 2015 #8
Hmmm . . . the only that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun AND . . . Jack Rabbit May 2015 #9
wonder what level retention the holster was. ileus May 2015 #12
That was my question... Oktober May 2015 #20
5th graders need armed fuckin' guards???? nt valerief May 2015 #13
I agree that guard has to go.. sendero May 2015 #14
Nothing justifies guns in school hack89 May 2015 #15
Recently a kid found a gun left in the House restroom by one of the congressional security guards. tblue37 May 2015 #16
Defender Services ???????? olddots May 2015 #17
the solution The Jungle 1 May 2015 #18
Security planet libodem May 2015 #19
 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
7. I agree that the guard shouldn't have let the kid remove the gun from his holster. But the
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:57 PM
May 2015

reasons for having armed guards in an elementary school can be many, and one of them is
to help prevent some crazed gunman from random shooting at the kids, or anyone else.
This has happened in the past, and the last time wasn't very long ago

It is important to prevent crazy people from owning guns, and how can that be done?

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
10. Well...
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:03 PM
May 2015
It is important to prevent crazy people from owning guns, and how can that be done?


Lots of countries are relatively successful at preventing crazy people from having guns with something I'm told is referred to as "strict gun control".


However, whenever this is mentioned in the US it is immediately dismissed as crazy talk so an alternative is apparently required. Perhaps employing telepaths at gun shows and gun stores to read all the customers minds and identify the pscyhotic ones would be deemed more realistic? Of course there's nothing stopping the not crazy from selling to the crazy on the secondary market.... or having their guns stolen and sold to the crazy on the black market (or stolen by the crazy directly since the guns are fucking everywhere so not too hard to find if any effort is put in)...

Well, perhaps some future genius will devise a solution that will work. If only the United States didn't possess this magical property that negated the effectiveness of that "strict gun control" thingie that seems to work everywhere else. What a tragedy that is.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
3. if the teachers were also armed
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:51 PM
May 2015

they could have shot the kid and they'd be sure he couldn't have shot anyone.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
11. The student will become a cop in ten more years.
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:10 PM
May 2015

He was probably hoping to be seen as a good guy with a gun.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. It wasn't his fault. Inmates in an institution are considered a risk, and weapons are generally
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

not permitted to be carried. And certainly not in an insecure side-holster.

The weapons should be in a lock box when security walks among the general population, and only used in a group assault.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
5. they going to school in a prison?
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:54 PM
May 2015

getting taught to the test?
won't be able to afford college
maybe get a job at Walmart or McDonald's after graduation.

Ah - what wonderful memories await these kids.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
9. Hmmm . . . the only that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun AND . . .
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:32 PM
May 2015

the only that stops a good guy with a gun is an eleven-year-old imp.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
14. I agree that guard has to go..
Thu May 14, 2015, 07:13 AM
May 2015

.... but the student should be suspended for a time also.

this could have ended really badly.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. Nothing justifies guns in school
Thu May 14, 2015, 07:27 AM
May 2015

if there are security concerns, invest in better physical security.

tblue37

(65,334 posts)
16. Recently a kid found a gun left in the House restroom by one of the congressional security guards.
Thu May 14, 2015, 09:21 AM
May 2015

Several months ago I read about a female teacher who left her gun in a stall in the restroom after going to the bathroom.

The simple truth is that the human mind is not designed to juggle all the kinds of things we must remember to function in modern life--certainly not all at once. A lapse in awareness/attention or memory is inevitable for everyone at some time or another.

If you are lucky, you just misplace you keys or your glasses, or you forget where you parked your car at the shopping mall.

If you're unlucky, you forget that your baby or toddler is asleep in the backseat as you hurry to make it to work on time, or as you mentally rehearse the presentation you're supposed to give 40 minutes later, so instead of dropping him off, you leave him to die horribly in the oven the car becomes when parked in the sun with the windows closed.

Even otherwise loving and responsible parents can suffer such a lapse leading to catastrophic consequences. Even experienced, well-trained armed guards can do so, too. All it takes is a moment's internal or external distraction. A distracted mother shopping with lively little ones gets shot to death because her toddler pulls her gun out of her purse as she checks the price on something (this happened recently), or a parent forgets that he left his loaded gun in the nightstand when he woke up that morning after insufficient sleep.

This is why having so many guns everywhere is a tragedy waiting to happen, even if there are no violent, vicious potential mass murderers anywhere near. This is why so many kids kill themselves or others with guns. Yes, sometimes the kid makes a extraordinary effort to access a loaded gun supposedly hidden away or beyond his reach. And sometimes some adult is so stupid, careless, or impaired by drugs or alcohol that he doesn't even have the sense to try to keep his guns out of easy access by kids.

But even when the person is someone who *means* to take every precaution, someone who *almost* always does everything right to keep his guns out of the reach of children, with so many guns all over the place, if even a tiny percentage of the huge numbers of "responsible" owners, recognizably "good guys with guns," have a momentary lapse in attention or memory caused by exhaustion, stress, or distraction--all conditions that are pretty much pervasive and constant in modern life--then that will translate into a significant number of situations in which a kid gets hold of a loaded gun and shoots himself or someone else.

With so many guns around, it is statistically inevitable that such a tragic outcome will occur--and that those occurrences will not be all that rare.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
19. Security planet
Thu May 14, 2015, 09:05 PM
May 2015

Wonder how many dollars that takes out of the school budget. And if they have to have this nonsense at charter and private religious schools?

Is it 2084 or what?

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