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Omaha Steve

(99,488 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:32 PM May 2015

Thousands Worldwide March Against Monsanto and GM Crops

Source: Yahoo

PARIS: Thousands of people hit the streets in cities across the world Saturday to protest against the American biotechnology giant Monsanto and its genetically modified crops and pesticides.

The third annual March Against Monsanto - begun by the Occupy movement - was held in upwards of 400 cities in more than 40 countries from the Americas to Africa and Europe.

About 2,500 people staged anti-Monsanto protests in the Swiss cities of Basel and Morges, where the company has its headquarters for Europe, Africa and the Middle East.

Up to 3,000 protesters, rallied by environmental organisations including Greenpeace and anti-capitalist group Stop TAFTA, gathered in Paris, with Monsanto's market-leading herbicide Roundup the main targets of protesters' anger.

FULL story and photo gallery at link.



Dozens of protesters blocked the driveway outside the Monsanto plant protesting the lack of GMO labeling.



Activists take part in a march against US agrochemical giant Monsanto and GMO food products, May 23, 2015, in Los Angeles, California. (AFP)

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-worldwide-march-against-monsanto-gm-crops-200532901.html



Where is the MSM on this?
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Thousands Worldwide March Against Monsanto and GM Crops (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2015 OP
GOOD Novara May 2015 #1
It should be millions. nt babylonsister May 2015 #2
Interesting - I saw a group marching here tonight, a surprisingly large group petronius May 2015 #3
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast May 2015 #4
Where is the MSM on this? forest444 May 2015 #5
Guardian: EU dropped pesticide laws due to US pressure over TTIP, documents reveal Judi Lynn May 2015 #6
Goddammit Novara May 2015 #7
Appreciate you posting this major news of of horse trading by corrupt trade appalachiablue May 2015 #13
I saw a similar march... Archae May 2015 #8
Lotta compressed misinformation in your comment... Peace Patriot May 2015 #9
"Better informed," translation: "Agreeing with your smears." Archae May 2015 #10
Yes, dear, that is WHY Colombia just banned Roundup. Peace Patriot May 2015 #11
From what I have read from CREDIBLE sources... Archae May 2015 #12
You have no difficulty supporting a corporation that has aerial sprayed this poison... Peace Patriot May 2015 #14
+1 GMO technology is far from the best ag practices GreatGazoo May 2015 #19
LOL! HuckleB May 2015 #22
You're missing some important data. HuckleB May 2015 #20
And Roundup is GMO, oh, wait, what? HuckleB May 2015 #16
mega dittos. I guess that's part of being "better informed when posting at DU" Buzz Clik May 2015 #27
Umm. HuckleB May 2015 #30
No doubt, "it looks like" what we want it to. LanternWaste May 2015 #31
The poster to whom you responded changes his views based on evidence. HuckleB May 2015 #33
His complaint about dogmatic people is legit... Buzz Clik May 2015 #36
What target should he have chosen? HuckleB May 2015 #38
Any of the horde of DU posters... Buzz Clik May 2015 #40
I don't disagree, of course. HuckleB May 2015 #41
these guys hawking for Monsanto crack me up.. they're all over the thread pushing their Big Ag Cha May 2015 #49
Evidence matters. HuckleB May 2015 #50
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #25
Lovely. Right to the insults. Buzz Clik May 2015 #28
Sort of funny and sad that you have avoided realizing how it was Archae who started with the truedelphi May 2015 #35
That was a pretty light insult -- more of a criticism of your opinion, not you. Buzz Clik May 2015 #39
It's cool that you wouldn't alert on that post. HuckleB May 2015 #53
It's the jury system. Totally flawed. Buzz Clik May 2015 #54
That Awkward Moment When March Against Monsanto Used a Slavery Comparison HuckleB May 2015 #15
The anti-GMO technique is now reduced to... Archae May 2015 #17
Oh for Pete's sake - we have the study from the researchers at the Univ of Caens, truedelphi May 2015 #26
Don Huber won't release the data he claims to possess. HuckleB May 2015 #37
Much as the pro-GMO crowd is reduced to "this march sounded a lot like that march" LanternWaste May 2015 #32
So, on the one hand, there's the scientific evidence. HuckleB May 2015 #34
Judging by your reticence, I guess you've conceded, then. closeupready May 2015 #21
? Indeed. HuckleB May 2015 #23
So right! Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn May 2015 #18
You posted MSM sources, and the MSM covered it everywhere. HuckleB May 2015 #24
On the other hand, nearly a dozen here will reliably re-post Monsanto talking points villager May 2015 #29
That's for damned sure! Buzz Clik May 2015 #42
Surely, you must already know them? villager May 2015 #43
Yeah... I thought that was where we were headed. Buzz Clik May 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author villager May 2015 #45
"The third annual March Against Monsanto - begun by the Occupy movement -was held in upwards of 400 Cha May 2015 #46
Ignoring science and utilizing the shill gambit doesn't change reality. HuckleB May 2015 #47
A much better report on these "protests." HuckleB May 2015 #48
A report on the bad behavior of some of the March Against Monsanto "protesters." HuckleB May 2015 #51
Peasants with pitchforks FarrenH May 2015 #52

petronius

(26,595 posts)
3. Interesting - I saw a group marching here tonight, a surprisingly large group
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:33 AM
May 2015

for my little town. Wondered what the impetus was...

forest444

(5,902 posts)
5. Where is the MSM on this?
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:15 AM
May 2015

Being cajoled, feted, wheedled, wined, dined, and sixty-nined by the good folks at Monsanto, where else?

Judi Lynn

(160,433 posts)
6. Guardian: EU dropped pesticide laws due to US pressure over TTIP, documents reveal
Sun May 24, 2015, 04:08 AM
May 2015

EU dropped pesticide laws due to US pressure over TTIP, documents reveal

US trade officials pushed EU to shelve action on endocrine-disrupting chemicals linked to cancer and male infertility to facilitate TTIP free trade deal

Arthur Neslen Brussels
Friday 22 May 2015 06.58 EDT

EU moves to regulate hormone-damaging chemicals linked to cancer and male infertility were shelved following pressure from US trade officials over the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) free trade deal, newly released documents show.

Draft EU criteria could have banned 31 pesticides containing endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs). But these were dumped amid fears of a trade backlash stoked by an aggressive US lobby push, access to information documents obtained by Pesticides Action Network (PAN) Europe show.

On 26 June 2013, a high-level delegation from the American Chambers of Commerce (AmCham) visited EU trade officials to insist that the bloc drop its planned criteria for identifying EDCs in favour of a new impact study.

Minutes of the meeting show commission officials pleading that “although they want the TTIP to be successful, they would not like to be seen as lowering the EU standards”.

More:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/22/eu-dropped-pesticide-laws-due-to-us-pressure-over-ttip-documents-reveal

appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
13. Appreciate you posting this major news of of horse trading by corrupt trade
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:26 PM
May 2015

officials to push the TTIP at the expense of people, wildlife and the environment. Monstrous. Because of it's relevance I attached the Guardian article to the Monsanto Worldwide March Video I posted earlier today.

Archae

(46,299 posts)
8. I saw a similar march...
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:15 AM
May 2015

Even worldwide!

And the MSM pretty much ignored it.

It was ran with on MSNBC as filler.

It was a march for full disclosure of all the flying saucer reports, that were claimed to being covered up.



Am I comparing the anti-GMO luddites to flying saucer believers?

You bet your ass.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
9. Lotta compressed misinformation in your comment...
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:07 PM
May 2015

--that there are no scientific reasons to ban many Monsanto products
--that there are no reasonable ordinary citizen concerns about Monsanto products
--that there are no political/social reasons to de-charter this corporation and seize its assets for the public good.

You are wrong on all counts.

You are also wrong that a person has to believe in "flying saucers" in order to demand full disclosure from our government on any investigations it may have conducted about this, or anything else.

It seems to me the height of ignorance to equate concerns about Monsanto products with Ludditism (as the Luddites are generally understood). There is really nothing more dangerous in our current world than the disruption of natural cycles that is occurring with very unnatural man-made products like Monsanto's. We are risking a worldwide failure of agriculture, on top of a threatened worldwide failure of all natural systems due to climate change. One example of the former is the scientifically proven impact of pesticides on bee colonies. Another is the less dramatic but equally lethal, long term loss of soil fertility and desertification due to repeated use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides, and the long term impact of these artificial substances on fresh water sources and on the ocean. Another example is the Roundup use on coca crops in Colombia, which Colombia just banned. Roundup wasn't just killing coca plants. It was killing food crops and farm animals and causing cancer in farm families. On the political/social side, BILLIONS of our tax dollars have poured into the pockets of Monsanto executives and investors for horrible U.S. government projects such as poisoning farm families and tens of thousands of farm acres in Colombia. This is VERY corrupt, and it is also very real, Archae. Nothing to do with "flying saucers."

Please try to be better informed when posting at Democratic Underground.

Archae

(46,299 posts)
12. From what I have read from CREDIBLE sources...
Sun May 24, 2015, 06:44 PM
May 2015

That leaves "Natural News" out, I know...

It looks like in Columbia, Roundup was overused.
Anything like Roundup that isn't treated carefully and overused is going to poison a few people.

I saw a march in California, against the state government requiring vaccinations in little kids going to public schools, the "belief exemption" was over-ruled.
And the anti-vaccination people sounded EXACTLY like these anti-Monsanto people.

This past week, my Mom and I used Roundup on her backyard brickwork, and like last year, we treated it carefully like it could make us sick if we drank it.

That means using it sparingly, with thick protective clothes that we changed right after.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
14. You have no difficulty supporting a corporation that has aerial sprayed this poison...
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:47 PM
May 2015

...on thousands of innocent children, peasant farmers, farm animals, wild animals, food crops, without warning, for profit--huge profit?

And this is just ONE of Monsanto's crimes. Please look into it. And I would not want Roundup anywhere near my garden, my house, my neighborhood or our communal water tables, nor in any drainage area to creeks, rivers and the ocean, nor in any bee habitat. And did you think of the soils, the earthworms, the beneficial microbes beneath the bricks? Or of the development of Roundup-resistant weeds--an exponentially growing disaster for U.S. and other farmers? We all have to find better ways to control our environment--if control is what we desire or need--without poisoning ourselves and our only home, Planet Earth. You are right to take precautions but it would be best not to use Roundup at all.

The following provides information on just one aspect of Monsanto's (and other chemical corporations') horrible project to addict U.S. and other householders and U.S. and other farmers to glyphosate and other, ultimately extremely harmful herbicides and pesticides. In deciding about a product like Roundup, we need to consider not only the short and long term potential impacts to ourselves and our communities, but also regional and global impacts, threats to the food chain itself and the POLITICAL influence of these huge corporations that results in the spread of these horrendous practices for the profit of the few. For instance, Monsanto is one of the worst offenders in trying to destroy ancient faming practices such as saving seeds. They are ACTIVELY seeking to destroy this ESSENTIAL traditional practice. And they are finally meeting effective resistance in some places, such as Mexico. (See the final article about Mexican beekeepers.)

US 'superweeds' epidemic shines spotlight on GMOs
http://phys.org/news/2014-01-superweeds-epidemic-spotlight-gmos.html

...Earlier this month, the USDA announced that, at the request of Dow Chemical, it would study allowing genetically engineered seeds on the market that can tolerate several herbicides at once—including a controversial weed killer 2,4-D that several scientific studies have blamed for cancer and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, ALS, sometimes called Lou Gehrig's disease.


Farmers Cope With Roundup-Resistant Weeds
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/business/energy-environment/04weed.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Just as the heavy use of antibiotics contributed to the rise of drug-resistant supergerms, American farmers’ near-ubiquitous use of the weedkiller Roundup has led to the rapid growth of tenacious new superweeds.

To fight them, Mr. Anderson and farmers throughout the East, Midwest and South are being forced to spray fields with more toxic herbicides, pull weeds by hand and return to more labor-intensive methods like regular plowing.


Glyphosate-resistant weed problem extends to more species, more farms
http://farmindustrynews.com/ag-technology-solution-center/glyphosate-resistant-weed-problem-extends-more-species-more-farms

The area of U.S. cropland infested with glyphosate-resistant weeds has expanded to 61.2 million acres in 2012, according to a survey conducted by Stratus Agri-Marketing. Nearly half of all U.S. farmers interviewed reported that glyphosate-resistant weeds were present on their farm in 2012, up from 34% of farmers in 2011. The survey also indicates that the rate at which glyphosate-resistant weeds are spreading is gaining momentum; increasing 25% in 2011 and 51% in 2012.


Sweet victory for Mexico beekeepers as Monsanto loses GM permit
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/aug/08/sweet-victory-beekeepers-monsanto-gm-soybeans

In withdrawing (Monsanto's) permit, the judge was convinced by the scientific evidence presented about the threats posed by GM soy crops to honey production in the Yucatán peninsula, which includes Campeche, Quintana Roo and Yucatán states. Co-existence between honey production and GM soybeans is not possible, the judge ruled.


Every action we take--such as paying our hard-earned money to Monsanto for Roundup, cuz it's the "easy way" to control weeds (temporarily)--has consequences far beyond our lives and immediate environments. We've had to learn this the hard way on so many products pushed upon us by our Corporate Rulers--from DDT to antibiotic-drenched, tortured chickens, from oil and its many HUGE impacts, to tasteless, nutrition-less tomatoes, and more, so much more. Time after time, they lie to us, and our bribed, embedded government lies to us, and WE pay the price in so many ways.

It's not easy to live within a Corporate-run society and make the difficult, complicated choices about health-friendly, environment-friendly products. Monsanto, for instance, has successfully fought every effort to label--just to label!--their GMO products. They don't want us to know! That should tell you everything you need to know about Monsanto. But there is one choice, to my mind, that is very simple: Don't use Roundup!

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
19. +1 GMO technology is far from the best ag practices
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:55 AM
May 2015

1. It is mych slower than traditional hybridization

2. Gene guns create unpredictable and unwanted variations as the presence or absence of genes influence the expression of other genes; Somewhat like genetic billiards.

3. The technology's main appeal (to Monsanto) is patent trolling. They patent gene sequences so they can get paid.

4. As you cite, though it takes years to create GMO crops any advantage they might have in the field starts to diminsh immediately as "weeds" start selecting for RoundUp resistance. What take Monsantos labs years to do, the other plants begin to do immediately and this effect is what has produced RoundUp Ready palmer amaranth, etc.

5. GMO has NO benefit for the end consumer and little for the farmer.

6. The US taxpayer is on the hook for $8 billion in subsidies to GMO crop growers. Without these subsidies there would be no GMO farming. The cost of growing GMO crops is above the price paid on the commodities market and still rising.

http://www.businessinsider.com/billions-in-tax-dollars-subsidize-the-junk-food-industry-2012-7

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
22. LOL!
Fri May 29, 2015, 10:33 AM
May 2015

Last edited Fri May 29, 2015, 08:15 PM - Edit history (1)

1. GE technology is much faster than other see development technologies.

2. GMOs allow for single gene switches that are known and predictable. Other seed development technologies change vastly more genes, and those genes are unknown.

3. All forms of seed development technologies are patented.

4. Superweeds are a problem for all forms of plants. In fact, superweeds have arisen at a slower rate since the onset of GMOs.

5. GMOs have led to increased crop yields, less pesticide use, safer herbicides, and increased profits for poor farmers.

6. All farmers are able to get subsidies. Subsidies are not tied to GMOs.

PS: Linking an article that has nothing to do with the claims you made seems odd.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. No doubt, "it looks like" what we want it to.
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:34 PM
May 2015

No doubt, "it looks like" only what we want it to. And all else is invalid. No doubt, one march sounds just like another if we try hard enough to compare apples and tennis rackets. And all else is invalid.

A dogmatic mind is an entertaining thing to watch in action, especially the one's who pretend to be anything but dogmatic.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
33. The poster to whom you responded changes his views based on evidence.
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:37 PM
May 2015

I don't think you are being fair in your characterization.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
40. Any of the horde of DU posters...
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:54 PM
May 2015

... who blindly and stubbornly condemn GMOs without knowing a damned thing about them.

Cha

(296,775 posts)
49. these guys hawking for Monsanto crack me up.. they're all over the thread pushing their Big Ag
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:06 AM
May 2015

"Poisons for Profits" theme.. with their little diversionary tactics.

It's hard to believe they think they're changing any minds with their constant badgering of those who won't buy into their monsanto propaganda.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
50. Evidence matters.
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:53 AM
May 2015

Utilizing the shill gambit doesn't change the fact that the science is clear. GMOs are safe, and they are helping the environment.

Fear mongering does work. It scares people, but more people are learning to question the fear mongering every day. They are learning how science works, and they're using that knowledge to question those pushing fear without scientific support. These marches have decreased in size every year, despite the power of fear.

Science is fighting back, and it is changing minds, however slowly.
https://skepchick.org/2015/05/science-drama-mamyths-zen-honeycutt/

BTW, the behavior of many of the protestors was despicable.
http://feralautisticlife.blogspot.com/2015/05/into-depths-of-anti-science-hell.html

Response to Archae (Reply #8)

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
35. Sort of funny and sad that you have avoided realizing how it was Archae who started with the
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:42 PM
May 2015

Insults.

He was the one that said words to the effect that all we had was our willingness to not face up to "the Truth."


 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
39. That was a pretty light insult -- more of a criticism of your opinion, not you.
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:50 PM
May 2015

Your comment was calling "addled" anyone opposed to you, which is a pretty direct insult.

(By the way, I would never Alert such an insult)

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
53. It's cool that you wouldn't alert on that post.
Sun May 31, 2015, 08:00 PM
May 2015

Still, I was given a "time out" at DU for posts that are ridiculously tame by comparison to that post. Something is not right.

Archae

(46,299 posts)
17. The anti-GMO technique is now reduced to...
Fri May 29, 2015, 12:41 AM
May 2015

Sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming "Is not, is not, is NOT!!"

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
26. Oh for Pete's sake - we have the study from the researchers at the Univ of Caens,
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:27 PM
May 2015

Whose research showed the many serious indications that the GM foods destroy a body's vital organs.

Of course, that study has been discredited, but only after the entire top brass at the Journal that published it was replaced by industry shills.

We also have the decent work of Don Huber, who has collected and shown many indications of how awful for health both RoundUp Ready wheat and GM foods happen to be.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
37. Don Huber won't release the data he claims to possess.
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:48 PM
May 2015

He doesn't want other scientists looking at it. That ought to tell you all you need to know about his claims.

http://kfolta.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-generous-offer-to-dr-huber.html



Pushing non-studies and debunked "studies" doesn't change the overwhelming scientific consensus on GMOs. Also, there is no plausible mechanism for the claims made by the "study" you are pushing.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. Much as the pro-GMO crowd is reduced to "this march sounded a lot like that march"
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:36 PM
May 2015

Much as the pro-GMO crowd is reduced to "this march sounded a lot like that march"

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
34. So, on the one hand, there's the scientific evidence.
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:40 PM
May 2015

On the other hand, there are marchers who have chosen to ignore the science.

I'm not sure what your point is otherwise.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
24. You posted MSM sources, and the MSM covered it everywhere.
Fri May 29, 2015, 10:35 AM
May 2015

And it did so without pointing out the BS these "protesters" push. Why are you complaining?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
42. That's for damned sure!
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:57 PM
May 2015

And you will direct us to those Monsanto talking points so we can bust those fargin' corporate shills, right? Just a little link would be so awesome.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #44)

Cha

(296,775 posts)
46. "The third annual March Against Monsanto - begun by the Occupy movement -was held in upwards of 400
Sat May 30, 2015, 07:28 AM
May 2015
cities in more than 40 countries from the Americas to Africa and Europe."

Thank you, World!

And, I don't give a shite what the Big Ag Corp shills have to say about how good gmo is.. like they're going to persuade anyone otherwise with their aggressive Monsanto-like tactics.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
47. Ignoring science and utilizing the shill gambit doesn't change reality.
Sat May 30, 2015, 10:45 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

And it's an odd thing to be proud of the fact that you refuse to allow evidence to change your mind.

BTW, these marches did not exactly show the best of humanity.
https://skepchick.org/2015/05/science-drama-mamyths-zen-honeycutt/

FarrenH

(768 posts)
52. Peasants with pitchforks
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:46 AM
May 2015

Afraid of what they don't understand, to stupid or lazy to understand the science and 180 degrees out of alignment with actual scientific consensus and literature.

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