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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:18 PM May 2015

Fighter Jets Scramble Following Reports of Multiple Threats to Passenger Planes, Officials Say

Source: ABC News

May 25, 2015, 1:48 PM ET
By MEGHAN KENEALLY and JOSH MARGOLIN

An Air France plane was escorted to JFK Airport in New York City this morning after an anonymous threat was made against the flight -- one of several threats made to multiple airplanes bound for different U.S. airports, law enforcement officials told ABC News.

The FBI said the plane has since been checked and cleared with "no incidents or hazards reported on board the flight by either the passengers or its crew."

Authorities said that the decision to have the plane escorted by two fighter jets was done "out of an abundance of caution" after the Maryland State Police McHenry Barrack, in Garrett County received an anonymous call of a “chemical weapons threat” aboard Air France Flight 22, which was en route from Paris to New York City airport.

The threat was not considered to be credible as law enforcement and aviation officials told ABC News that they are responding to multiple, unconfirmed threats to multiple airplanes bound for different airports. emorial Day in the U.S. and also a holiday in France — the day after Pentecost Sunday, otherwise known as Whit Sunday.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/fighter-jets-scramble-escort-air-france-flight-threat/story?id=31289047

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Fighter Jets Scramble Following Reports of Multiple Threats to Passenger Planes, Officials Say (Original Post) Purveyor May 2015 OP
Unless I am missing something, what good is a jet escort going to do against a threat Hoppy May 2015 #1
It's not there to stop a threat inside the plane. NuclearDem May 2015 #3
Again, it was reported as a chemical weapons threat INSIDE the plane. Hoppy May 2015 #4
I think the fighters... CherokeeDem May 2015 #5
We have a winner. NuclearDem May 2015 #7
Yep. I think you're right. I remember reading that on 9/11 the Pennsylvania flight was going to be okaawhatever May 2015 #8
Frightening.... CherokeeDem May 2015 #10
Not really Jesus Malverde May 2015 #19
It is frightening.... CherokeeDem May 2015 #21
Thirty years after the discovery of HIV, the 1980s scaremongering still causes harm Jesus Malverde May 2015 #23
So apprecitive of the material.... CherokeeDem May 2015 #26
Clearly a lecture was needed Jesus Malverde May 2015 #27
I confused nothing.... CherokeeDem May 2015 #31
I like to pretend I know who needs lectures too. LanternWaste May 2015 #34
The Confusing and At-Times Counterproductive 1980s Response to the AIDS Epidemic Jesus Malverde May 2015 #24
Agree AuntPatsy May 2015 #25
+1 n/t Joe Shlabotnik May 2015 #29
I had two good friends killed that day. I take issue with your notion that our fears are FailureToCommunicate May 2015 #30
Well said... CherokeeDem May 2015 #32
hOLY SHEET! There you are returning from a nice vacay in Paree and alluva sudden CTyankee May 2015 #2
Yes, yank, we woulda been!!! elleng May 2015 #6
Paris was so calm and beautiful... CTyankee May 2015 #12
Were you on that flight? mnhtnbb May 2015 #14
No. elleng and I were discussing a trip we took to Paris back in 2010... CTyankee May 2015 #15
My hubby's sister was on a flight from Spain to US on 9/11. They did a 180 mid-Atlantic mnhtnbb May 2015 #16
do they escort side by side or top and bottom? I'm confused... CTyankee May 2015 #17
the public is on the bottom olddots May 2015 #22
THAT'S what a Commander-In-Chief does! Aristus May 2015 #9
another example of Epic Failure by the NSA, it seems Demeter May 2015 #11
Whatdahelutalkinbout? NSA is doing just fine. They caught the Hoppy May 2015 #13
Ah, good ol' NORAD! Almost always there to defend and protect! Peace Patriot May 2015 #18
Like that time Cheney and Lynn were in command nostalgia from the bunker. Octafish May 2015 #35
Executive Decision bpj62 May 2015 #20
It's code red on Memorial Day Jesus Malverde May 2015 #28
I spent a very frustrating day yesterday trying to fly home from Italy dorkzilla May 2015 #33
Oh great. Mz Pip May 2015 #36
 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
1. Unless I am missing something, what good is a jet escort going to do against a threat
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:25 PM
May 2015

that is inside the plane?

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
5. I think the fighters...
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:42 PM
May 2015

... are there to shoot the plane down should it appear to be targeting populated areas.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
8. Yep. I think you're right. I remember reading that on 9/11 the Pennsylvania flight was going to be
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:07 PM
May 2015

shot down before the hijackers could ram it into the White House but the jets took off so fast they weren't loaded with their missiles. The two jet pilots were going to have to ram their planes into the passenger airline in a safe location to minimize casualties. They ultimately didn't have to because that is the plane the passengers tried to take over, but can you imagine the things everyone had to do that day?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
19. Not really
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:21 PM
May 2015

It's frightening what the media has done.

Your much more likely to be killed by a cop or medical misadventure. The world is not a scary or frightening if you look at statistics.

There are those who would like us to cower in fear, AIDS, drugs, now terrorists. Ignore them.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
21. It is frightening....
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:24 PM
May 2015

not because I fear dying from a terrorist attack but frightening because of what it's done to our psyche. To be honest, I do fear for my best friend and her children who live in Paris. Despite the fact the odds of any of them being involved in a terror attack is low considering the population, that doesn't make me worry any less, and I choose not to ignore it as you suggested. The ten calls today hinting at threats to passenger aircraft proves we can and should be worried about what isn't probable, as much as what is.

There is no question the media ramps up the tension, but I'll bet any person who was on one of those planes today felt concern, possibly even fear from the threat. Should we live our lives in fear? No. Should we recognize the threats are there? Yes. Some things can not be ignored.

By the way, I had friends who died of AIDS.... I would never ignore them regardless of what anyone suggests.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
23. Thirty years after the discovery of HIV, the 1980s scaremongering still causes harm
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:33 PM
May 2015

Some time in the early years of the 20th century, a virus affecting chimpanzees in West Africa made the leap into a human. It mutated, adapting itself to its new host, and started to spread across Africa.
For the West, though, the story of HIV starts in LA, back in 1981, when a few people started showing up to clinics with pneumonia. It was a strain of pneumonia you get when you don’t have too much of an immune system, and doctors were puzzled. These people were young; it was as if they’d turned up with MRSA or arthritis. It was the kind of disease their grandmothers were supposed to have. Then, from the same groups – mostly gay men and drug users – came an equally rare and puzzling skin cancer: Kaposi’s sarcoma. The dots were joined, and public health officials started groping around for a name for this new condition: Gay-Related Immune Deficiency? 4H (Haitians, homosexuals, hemophiliacs and heroin users) disease? As the cases became outbreaks, and the outbreaks became an epidemic, they hit upon “Aids”: a stigma-free choice. It was not to be a stigma-free disease.

The virus was finally isolated in two rival labs at the same time, and the findings were published in the same journal. It’s 30 years this month since the discovery of HIV, and there’s now a sense the story is entering its last chapter, at least in the UK. Medical advances – particularly in antiretroviral therapy – means that it’s extremely rare to die of HIV/Aids. Mothers no longer need pass it on to their children. The rate of infection is getting lower and lower.

But in the British story of HIV, one moment overshadows the rest. If you were alive at the time, there’s little chance you’ll have forgotten the 1980s scare campaigns – the menacing “Tombstone” and “Iceberg” adverts, which said: “There is now a deadly virus, which anyone can catch from sex with an infected person… If you ignore Aids, it could be the death of you.”

At that point, the infection rate was at its height, and these campaigns have been associated with its decline. But they also lingered in the public imagination ever since. In the long run, did they help? Or did they leave a damaging legacy?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/marthagilltech/100013418/thirty-years-after-the-discovery-of-hiv-the-1980s-scaremongering-still-causes-harm/

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
26. So apprecitive of the material....
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:35 PM
May 2015

but as a microbiologist involved in HIV/AIDS research during the 80s... I really don't need a lecture and I clearly haven't forgotten.

Fear can be from an immediate threat, or it can be borne by ignorance and fear. Thankfully, medical advances are helping extend the live span of HIV/AIDS patients. Ignorance and fear are harder to eradicate.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
27. Clearly a lecture was needed
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:02 PM
May 2015

When you confused the fear of AIDS with the disease of AIDS. Hoping you'll have a better holiday, seems like your having a tough day.


CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
31. I confused nothing....
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:48 PM
May 2015

However, you're certainly on your high horse tonight. Funny how twisted these threads become.... this starts out as a discussion on the threats to the planes this morning and you turn it into comment about how it's the media fault and then issue an edict on AIDS and drugs and my vacation. Who's confused here?

I don't know whether to laugh or... no... I'll laugh....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. I like to pretend I know who needs lectures too.
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

I like to pretend I know who needs lectures too. We can feel so much more clever about ourselves than otherwise warranted. Quite self-validating.

It's also fun to minimize the people to whom we lecture with bumper-sticker like insincerity.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
24. The Confusing and At-Times Counterproductive 1980s Response to the AIDS Epidemic
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:38 PM
May 2015

Instead, federally-funded campaigns sought to address a large number of people from all backgrounds--male, female, homosexual or heterosexual. The America Responds to AIDS campaign, created by the CDC, ran from 1987 to 1996 and became a central part of the "everyone is at risk" message of AIDS prevention.

This poster spoke to parents about the challenges of talking to a teenager about AIDS, but stressed that the issue was relevant and important to young Americans.

The campaign was met with mixed feelings by AIDS workers. "The posters really do help ameliorate the fear of hatred of people with AIDS," Brier explains. "There’s a notion that everyone is at risk, and that’s important to talk about, but there’s also the reality that not everyone is at risk to the same extent." Some AIDS organizations, especially those providing service to communities at the highest risk for contracting HIV, saw the campaign as diverting money and attention away from the communities that needed it the most--leaving gay and minority communities to compete with one another for the little money that remained. As New York Times reporter Jayson Blair wrote in 2001 (, "Much of the government's $600 million AIDS-prevention budget was used...to combat the disease among college students, heterosexual women and others who faced a relatively low risk of contracting the disease."

Beyond campaigns that tried to generalize the AIDS epidemic, a different side used the fear of AIDS to try and affect change. These posters, contained under the section "Fear Mongering" in the exhibit's digital gallery, show ominous images of graves or caskets behind proclamations of danger.

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-confusing-and-at-times-counterproductive-1980s-response-to-the-aids-epidemic-180948611/#5K3Itwsc1gcjmvFT.99

FailureToCommunicate

(14,007 posts)
30. I had two good friends killed that day. I take issue with your notion that our fears are
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:34 PM
May 2015

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all in our heads, concocted by a malevolent media.

Your premise falls particularly flat on this day of memorial to all those who served...and paid with their lives.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
32. Well said...
Tue May 26, 2015, 12:05 AM
May 2015

Some people do not understand the threat exists... no matter how improbable it may be or how remote the chances are that any of us could die from a terrorist attack, or for that matter, a disease.

Very sorry for the loss of your friends. My father worked in the World Trade Center and was there during the first attack. He retired shortly before 9-11. One month earlier and he would have been in his office by the time the first plane hit. Those experiences have an impact and heighten our awareness.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
2. hOLY SHEET! There you are returning from a nice vacay in Paree and alluva sudden
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:26 PM
May 2015

a fighter jet is whizzing along with you...I would be freaked out...

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
12. Paris was so calm and beautiful...
Mon May 25, 2015, 05:51 PM
May 2015

My son picked me up and drove me all the way to New Haven. I was relieved...

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
15. No. elleng and I were discussing a trip we took to Paris back in 2010...
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:38 PM
May 2015

everything was so uneventful...a nice ending to a great trip. Sorry to confuse...

mnhtnbb

(31,373 posts)
16. My hubby's sister was on a flight from Spain to US on 9/11. They did a 180 mid-Atlantic
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:40 PM
May 2015

and landed in the Azores. Of course it took them almost a week to get home since
everything was grounded for several days.

I can't imagine what it would be like to see fighter jets off the wings of a commercial flight.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
9. THAT'S what a Commander-In-Chief does!
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:09 PM
May 2015

Takes appropriate precautionary action, instead of saying: "All right, ya covered yer ass. What's next?"

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
11. another example of Epic Failure by the NSA, it seems
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:52 PM
May 2015

Their mission never seems to hit the PR targets

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
13. Whatdahelutalkinbout? NSA is doing just fine. They caught the
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:32 PM
May 2015

guys in Florida who were gonna blow up the Sears Tower. All that was between them and the tower collapsing was three pair of Timberland boots. If they had gotten those boots, the Sears Tower would'a been history.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
18. Ah, good ol' NORAD! Almost always there to defend and protect!
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:54 PM
May 2015

And so fast, too--so on the ball! Great at getting up into the air and flying in the right direction. Almost...



...always.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
35. Like that time Cheney and Lynn were in command nostalgia from the bunker.
Tue May 26, 2015, 07:53 PM
May 2015

"The plane is 10 miles out. Do the orders still stand?"



"Of course the orders still stand! Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

bpj62

(999 posts)
20. Executive Decision
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:30 PM
May 2015

This sounds exactly like the plot to the 1996 movie starrinmg Kurt Russell. Someone may have been watching this movie and got a bright idea.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
33. I spent a very frustrating day yesterday trying to fly home from Italy
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:37 AM
May 2015

Flights were cancelled, lots of delays...we were sitting on the runway in Pisa an the pilot kept saying our delay in takeoff was due to increased activity in Europe. We missed our connector to Frankfurt and the ticket agent said we couldn't fly out till today, but I asked her to route us back to JFK via Heathrow which they did. I didn't know all this had happened till we landed. I'm glad I didn't!!

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