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Omaha Steve

(99,568 posts)
Sat May 30, 2015, 10:22 AM May 2015

McCain: US should allow sale of defensive weapons to Vietnam

Source: AP

By LOLITA C. BALDOR

SINGAPORE (AP) — America needs to provide Vietnam with more defensive weapons, U.S. Sen. John McCain said Saturday as tensions in the Asia Pacific region heightened over China's expanding land reclamation projects in the South China Sea.

But U.S. efforts so far are focused on delivering some of the limited maritime weapons allowed under last fall's easing of the weapons sales ban on Hanoi.

According to a senior U.S. official, Defense Secretary Ash Carter will meet with Vietnam officials in the coming days to discuss the U.S providing the defensive maritime weapons already allowed. Carter spoke at an international security conference here Saturday at the start of an 11-day Asia trip.

McCain, who also was attending the International Institute for Strategic Studies summit, wants to see a gradual removal of the U.S. ban, and said the U.S. should provide additional defensive weapons that could be used in case of a conflict with China. He added that the U.S. should continue its ban on weapons used for crowd control or to commit human rights abuses.

FULL story at link.



U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., right, meets with South Korean Defense Minister Han Min-koo during a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the 14th International Institute for Strategic Studies Shangri-la Dialogue, or IISS, Asia Security Summit, Saturday, May 30, 2015, in Singapore. (AP Photo/Wong Maye-E)

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/75287028aa344331b421f3a0469ae09d/mccain-us-should-allow-sale-defensive-weapons-vietnam

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McCain: US should allow sale of defensive weapons to Vietnam (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2015 OP
Great idea Bagsgroove May 2015 #1
Because, only a good guy with a Hellfire can stop a bad guy with a Hellfire.... Coventina May 2015 #9
Just exactly how many weapons manufacturers do they have in Arizona? Bomb, Bomb...... jwirr May 2015 #2
ATTN John McCain You lost the election you do not get to make foreign policy Botany May 2015 #3
McCain would sell nukes to Kim Jung Un if his owners asked him to. Scuba May 2015 #4
^^^THIS^^^ Tom Ripley May 2015 #18
And lets not forget turbinetree May 2015 #5
Does McCain ever go on the news about anything to help his constituents?? hollowdweller May 2015 #6
No,,, I don't believe he does or did or will in the future. KarenS May 2015 #7
Well, Boeing is on of AZ's major employers, so maybe in a twisted way he is. Coventina May 2015 #10
Bullpoop! douggg May 2015 #8
What a big heart he has! malthaussen May 2015 #11
Hey Grampy... SoapBox May 2015 #12
I think he does this to impress his wife. Hell, he probably can't do much more than that. Gregorian May 2015 #13
"He added that the U.S. should continue its ban on weapons used for crowd control" BumRushDaShow May 2015 #14
I'm actually STAUNCHLY FOR this! Plucketeer May 2015 #15
Nope. nt onehandle May 2015 #16
Here we go again... Tom Ripley May 2015 #17
what--that's from Back to the Future! MisterP May 2015 #19
Vietnam does not need the help of the U.S. salimbag May 2015 #20
Isn't the phrase "defensive weapons" an oxymoron? damyank913 May 2015 #21
theres a new John McCain doll olddots May 2015 #22
If the Chinese want Vietnam irisblue May 2015 #23

Botany

(70,483 posts)
3. ATTN John McCain You lost the election you do not get to make foreign policy
Sat May 30, 2015, 10:29 AM
May 2015

bit·ter (bĭt′ər)
adj. bit·ter·er, bit·ter·est
1. Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
2. Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh: enveloped in bitter cold; a bitter wind.
3. Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
4. Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
5. Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
6. Marked by resentment or cynicism: "He was already a bitter elderly man with a gray face" (John Dos Passos).
adv.
In an intense or harsh way; bitterly: a bitter cold night.
tr.v. bit·tered, bit·ter·ing, bit·ters
To make bitter.
n.
1. That which is bitter: "all words ... / Failing to give the bitter of the sweet" (Tennyson).
2. bitters A bitter, usually alcoholic liquid made with herbs or roots and used in cocktails or as a tonic.
3. Chiefly British A sharp-tasting beer made with hops.

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
5. And lets not forget
Sat May 30, 2015, 10:47 AM
May 2015

That he "pickled " his bombs when he was a on flight deck, Forrestal.

Note: Prior to take off all arming pins are removed, and when they are removed the only person in command has the power of the bombs are the pilot or the RIO to be released

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea


So, right wing Johnnie while you are at your clam bake, trying to show the world you want to unilaterally arm the entire world and bomb bomb the entire world, maybe you should not be re-elected since you fantasize and want to play with dangerous toys---------and in your first test you kinda failed---------you really aren't that competent in the first place



 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
6. Does McCain ever go on the news about anything to help his constituents??
Sat May 30, 2015, 10:48 AM
May 2015


I mean, seriously.

Every time he's on the news he's either arguing we should put our troops somewhere or give somebody in some hotspot more guns.

Good Lord! We have enough war and killing without anybody pushing for any more "stimulus" of it. Why can't he stand for building something up??

He's getting old, does he want "He never saw a war he didn't like" on his tombstone??

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
10. Well, Boeing is on of AZ's major employers, so maybe in a twisted way he is.
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:14 AM
May 2015

I know he's a frequent visitor to the Boeing plant in Mesa, AZ.

douggg

(239 posts)
8. Bullpoop!
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:07 AM
May 2015

McCain is just promoting arms sales.

VN having 'defensive' weapons would be just a slight inconvenience if China really wanted to invade.

malthaussen

(17,183 posts)
11. What a big heart he has!
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:30 AM
May 2015

Imagine, his breadth of vision is such that he can recommend arming the very people who took him prisoner and tortured him all those years ago. Why, more of our valiant Congress people should have such clarity and simplicity of mind.

-- Mal

BumRushDaShow

(128,733 posts)
14. "He added that the U.S. should continue its ban on weapons used for crowd control"
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:19 PM
May 2015

because they better do what we say and not what we do right here in the good 'ole USA!

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
15. I'm actually STAUNCHLY FOR this!
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:13 PM
May 2015

with one minor proviso tho. Once the defensive arms are in place, McCain gets into an old A4 Skyhawk and flies low over Hanoi to demonstrate how effective they will be.

salimbag

(173 posts)
20. Vietnam does not need the help of the U.S.
Sat May 30, 2015, 05:09 PM
May 2015

In the not too distant past, Vietnam kicked some Chinese butt when there was a border incursion. They did this without assistance from America. The small country of Vietnam is somewhat like the small country of Afghanistan, saying "welcome, invaders and colonists, prepare to die!"

damyank913

(787 posts)
21. Isn't the phrase "defensive weapons" an oxymoron?
Sat May 30, 2015, 05:42 PM
May 2015

The previous poster was right. Vietnam did kick the Chinese' ass on that border dispute. They had only been at war for 20 or 30 years when that happened. I'm not up on Chinese history but they haven't been in any wars since Korea, which was a draw.

irisblue

(32,955 posts)
23. If the Chinese want Vietnam
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:00 PM
May 2015

they have enough troops to over run any non nuclear/ non biological weapons.

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