Police: Five people shot dead in Arizona by man in body armor
Source: MSNBC
A gunman reportedly wearing body armor shot multiple victims in Gilbert, killing five people, authorities said.
It's not immediately known if the shooter is among the dead, but Gilbert police Lt John Lyle
said they are not actively seeking a suspect.
The gunman's identity and motives were also unknown.
The shootings occurred sometime after 1 p.m. in a residential area in the 500 block of West Tumbleweed Road.
A junior high school in the area was released from lockdown status just before 2 p.m., according to 12 News.
Witnesses in the neighborhood said a SWAT team sealed off part of the area and that investigators told residents to remain indoors.
Read more: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/02/11507220-police-five-people-shot-dead-in-arizona-by-man-in-body-armor?lite?ocid=twitter
http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2012/05/02/20120502gilbert-shooting-multiple-victims-abrk.html#ixzz1tkSlSOsX
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,088 posts)Richard D
(8,741 posts)Going there tomorrow.
Clearly, guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.
Keep guns out of the hands of people and in museums where they belong.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)Guns just make killing people far more efficient.
When's the last time you read a headline "Man with butcher knife, kills 20 in a crowd." What? Never? Yea, it's kind of hard to do, though there are some people who probably could.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Guns also allow the user to disconnect from the victims. No need to get up close and personal as with a butcher knife.
on edit: clean up language
freshwest
(53,661 posts)dmallind
(10,437 posts)Garavito - hundreds by knife
Lopez and Barbosa - hundreds by strangling
Ridgway, Chikatilo, Bundy - not a shooter among them
Single instance mass/spree killers?
Kehoe - 44 by explosive tops school massacres
Segee - 198 by fire, Gonzalez 87 more recently.
Oh and I can recall at least a couple of mass stabbings with higher tolls than this loony - Osaka with 8 dead and more than a dozen wounded for a start.
Are guns used in more killings than anything else? Sure - they are indeed very effective if killing a lot of people is your goal. But they are neither unique nor supreme for that purpose if you indeed have that goal.
About 70% of homicides in the US are committed by GUNS.
Are you simply mistaken or TELLING THE TRUTH-CHALLENGED?
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)And they are dead because of GUNS.
Three of the four were murdered and the other case was one of a young man playing around with his father's rifle.
You are quite correct!
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)20 is a stretch. The highest I recall seeing was 7 at once in China. Still a staggering number when you get down to it. (Shooting 20 people at once is not exactly easy either. VT and Norway would be incredibly rare exceptions.)
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)I am sure that would be the NRA position.
-..__...
(7,776 posts)What other rights would you deny the people?
lol
-..__...
(7,776 posts)sad that anyone (never mind on a progressive website), would deny, or seek to restrict, mine (or anyone elses), Constitutional rights based on their warped, uneducated and guided by emotion interpretation of the 2nd amendment.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)....you have this 2nd Amendment thing all squared away, don't you?
-..__...
(7,776 posts)No... not as much as I/we would hope; but we're still working on it.
I'll post updates as soon as I get them from "Fat Tony".
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)newspeak
(4,847 posts)while, especially under little boots, our civil liberties were being compromised. I didn't see any teabaggers protesting when they passed the patriot act or suspending habeas corpus. Canada has gun ownership; however, they don't have (yet) a corporate media willing to inject hate and fear into a very compliant audience.
hack89
(39,171 posts)not just the parts you like. That might mean supporting in principle things that you personally find offensive.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)right.
Heh.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)they haven't taken them away, as a matter of fact, it looks like some states are making it even easier to carry. So, yes, it would be nice if those who are so worried about those people taking away their guns, would realize they've already lost ground on civil liberties.
I learned to shoot when I was four years old. My step father was an abusive, gun loving arse hole. And, more than once, threatened to shoot me and my mom. My friend's deranged hubby got in an argument at a bar and came back with a gun, didn't shoot it; however, hid after threatening the clientel. She finally left him, but he followed her onto the main street in our town shot her multiple times, while people watched on helpless, then shot himself. To me, both of these men were nothing but bullying cowards.
When you have a complicit media allowing their fear mongering, hate creating mouthpieces publicly saying things like shoot liberals, kill those baby killing doctors, and harm anyone that doesn't agree with them; then you've got a problem.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)it doesn't get taken away.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Good thing I'm not in charge, isn't it?
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)We don't need any more bigotry of any kind here.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)My prayers to the families of the victims.
Lex1775
(317 posts)Ptah
(33,019 posts)Arizona Revised Statutes - Title 13 Criminal Code - Section 13-3116 Misconduct involving body armor; classification; definition
Legal Research Home >
13-3116. Misconduct involving body armor; classification; definition
A. A person commits misconduct involving body armor by knowingly wearing or otherwise using body armor during the commission of any felony offense.
B. Misconduct involving body armor is a class 4 felony.
C. For purposes of this section, "body armor" means any clothing or equipment designed in whole or in part to minimize the risk of injury from a deadly weapon.
hack89
(39,171 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)in the commission of a felony.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)"During the commission of a felony offense" restricts the illegality of body armor just a bit, just as it's legal to own a firearm but frowned upon to rob a bank while carrying one.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Kinda missed the point there, didn't you?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Only felons are prohibited from buying it.
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Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)-..__...
(7,776 posts)There's still a few Federal gun control laws that need to be eliminated.
Don't even get me started on existing State gun control laws... especially here in MA.
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-..__...
(7,776 posts)tell me how you really feel?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Aggressive and nasty to boot. It's better to avoid even having a discussion as it's probably like banging your head against a stone wall.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)There are many RKBA liberals and progressives. Marginalize yourself if you wish, but don't be surprised when the rest of the Democratic party does not support you.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)isn't the number of daily murders by guns much lower?
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Tesha This message was self-deleted by its author.
hack89
(39,171 posts)for restricting people's civil liberties?
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)behavior? Does the NRA have the Staff of Magnus in its possession?
Might and maybe are not suitable responses if you are looking to limit the freedoms of others.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)who might otherwise have been murdered were it not for guns.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Accidental shootings
Hunting accidents
Interconnected gang/drug shootings. (where there is no innocent party involved)
And some would even argue some domestic shootings, you know the one where everyone in the family or neighborhood states "We've expected this day for a long time."
If you also count shootings caused by mental illness we could probably get the true legitimate count down into the 100's
Blaming deaths on a device is just plain silly to begin with.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine that as we're at it, we may as well throw out every gun related death and injury when looking at gun related deaths and injuries.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Dishonest is more likely
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Lex1775
(317 posts)A murder suicide (according to Gilbert police). No mention of body armor. All killed were shot inside of a single home. Press conference at 3:30 AZ time (about 8 minutes from now).
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)independentpiney
(1,510 posts)Thank gods for Arizona.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Jebus Fucking Crimminy.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)TygrBright
(20,755 posts)Seriously, we LOVE this neighborhood, but the neighbors are definitely a downer.
The Land of Enchantment, nestled between Nutjob Nirvana and Sociopath Shores.
wearily,
Bright
CactusJak
(20 posts)
A man armed with several firearms shot and killed four people, including a toddler, before committing suicide, Gilbert authorities said. Among the dead, sources said, is J.T. Ready, a reputed neo-Nazi who made headlines when he launched a militia movement to patrol the Arizona desert to hunt for illegal immigrants and drug smugglers.
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2012/05/02/20120502gilbert-shooting-multiple-victims-abrk.html#ixzz1tkvzU2U6
WHO? You may ask...
Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready Runs for Pinal County Sheriff as a Democrat
He supports legalizing marijuana, considers himself a civil libertarian, has had nice things to say about the Occupy movement, and recently filed paperwork in Pinal County to run for Sheriff as a Democrat.
One little speed bump: He also happens to be the best known neo-Nazi in Arizona and has referred to Adolf Hitler as a "great white civil rights leader."
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2012/01/neo-nazi_jt_ready_runs_for_pin.php
Archae
(46,301 posts)Bloody nazi.
"Sources identified the shooter as Jason "J.T." Ready, a reputed neo-Nazi who made headlines when he launched a militia movement to patrol the Arizona desert to hunt for illegal immigrants and drug smugglers."
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2012/05/02/20120502gilbert-shooting-multiple-victims-abrk.html#ixzz1tky5H26e
Why is it the biggest assholes that carry the biggest guns and talk the loudest are the biggest fucking cowards?
I hope there's a hell. My logic and reason force me to deny its existence, but...a girl can dream.
That little girl didn't deserve to die at the hands of this disgusting piece of shit.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)downright creepy
oh bring on the gun nuts I can still decide what I find creepy!!!!
1st before 2nd!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)newspeak
(4,847 posts)the repug position was filled? We might have a big tent, but not big enough for a damn neo nazis. He should have just filed as a libertarian or fascist.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)It would seem like libertarian fascists would garner more support in that other party.
Tansy_Gold
(17,847 posts)they have to collect enough nominating signatures from that party's registered voters to get on the ballot.
When Ready began circulating his petitions, the Pinal County Democrats did get the word out about him, that he was not supported by the party.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)Oddly, people were stunned that J.T. Ready was running as a Democrat. I responded:
In preparing this campaign, we considered running Independent. Unfortunately, the Republicans and Democrats made the rules for getting on the ballot to favor themselves. The "insiders" made it very difficult for the "outsiders" to run by requiring a disproportionately higher number of petition signatures to get on the ballot.
http://vandal49588.blogspot.com/2012/01/ready-or-not-jt-ready-is-running-for.html
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"See? Left-wingers go in shooting sprees, too!!"
Recursion
(56,582 posts)newspeak
(4,847 posts)so that they undermine the party or attempt to infiltrate it. Proclaiming they are democrats publicly may be a way of damaging the party. Just my thoughts. Because, they sure in the hell aren't FDR democrats nor wellstone democrats. Maybe, they're attempting to bring the old democratic party back to the good old civil war days.
IamK
(956 posts)sweetloukillbot
(10,972 posts)He popped up whenever anything anti-immigrant was mentioned in the state. The guy was a piece of pond scum.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)A border militia leader on Wednesday shot and killed four people at a Gilbert home, including a toddler, before committing suicide, sources said.
Sources identified the shooter as Jason "J.T." Ready, a reputed neo-Nazi who made headlines when he launched a militia movement to patrol the Arizona desert to hunt for illegal immigrants and drug smugglers.
Ready was a former Marine who headed the the U.S. Border Guard, a militia-style group that routinely performed armed patrols in the southern Arizona desert.
At least one person survived the shooting.
More:
http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2012/05/02/20120502gilbert-shooting-multiple-victims-abrk.html
More TeaTerror:
http://tinyurl.com/TeaTerror
http://tinyurl.com/TeaTerror2
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)On second thought, we have people on DU defending shooting 17 year old girls in the back of the head. I guess it's not much of a leap for some.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Gilbert police confirmed early Thursday that they believe the killings Wednesday that shocked the community were not the result of a planned attack but rather a domestic-violence incident.
Police are basing that belief on the entire scene at the home, said Sgt. Bill Balafas, a Gilbert police spokesman, including the location of the bodies -- three of which were found inside the home, while two were outside -- and some of the statements from a woman in the home who escaped.
"There was a witness in the house," Balafas said, adding that the woman did not see the incident. "The witness heard arguing and gunshots."
http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2012/05/03/20120503gilbert-killings-police-say-shootings-likely-domestic-violence-incident-brk.html
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Mass gun killings are like Christmas for them.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Yeah, he was a real doll.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/JT-Ready-for-Sheriff/327457743953277
WTF????? This is what his FB goons posted:
"Reports are unconfirmed that a cartel assassination squad murdered JT Ready and several of his friends and family this afternoon in Gilbert Arizona. This page's admin will keep you updated of the situation as soon as possible."
Archae
(46,301 posts)Sounds like someplace I know of...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)jpak
(41,756 posts)yup
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valerief
(53,235 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Goddamnit, people who kill kids need to be sodomized with a cactus, in the desert, in July. For days.
ileus
(15,396 posts)no one would mind if the shooter bit the bullet and left a letter stating the people he/she would have killed otherwise.
Katie
(674 posts)Gov. Rick Scott of Florida will allow guns in the GOP Convention hall in Tampa in August 2012? I really haven't had much access to tv today, but now that I'm home, I only see it online on MSNBC.
but it is all over the local news here. I probably have a clouded view of whether this should be a big national story or not because J.T. Ready is a celebrity of sorts here in Mesa. Ran for city council here awhile back, was endorsed by Russell Pearce, author of SB 1070.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)...In the past several years the local media has worked hard to try to tie me to the JT Ready that preached hate, and that is nothing more than a lie.
When I learned the truth about him, I made it clear how wrong I thought it was and I worked to remove him from our Party. Yet the lie is told and retold over and over again. It is the ugliest form of politics. The most radical groups I have ever belonged to are the Boy Scouts of America and the Fraternal Order of Police, and in my 65 years in Mesa, as a law enforcement deputy, as a judge and as the head of state agencies, I have never been accused of mistreating anyone or of unfair conduct toward anyone I have associated with, hired or supervised.
Finally, while I am frequently critical of the job the mainstream media does in pursuing a political agenda instead of the truth, today's behavior is the most reprehensible that I have ever witnessed. On the very day that these unspeakable crimes take place, editors and producers all over town are making a concerted effort to make the story about a politician whose conservative politics they disagree with.
Today, the Devil won and claimed the soul of one young man and the lives of others, including the most innocent of all, a child. Our thoughts and prayers are with the four beautiful souls that are now in God's hands. We pray that He accepts them into his kingdom and that He grants comfort and solace to the friends and surviving family.
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/02/20120502gilbert-mass-shooting-arizona-russell-pearce-statement.html#ixzz1toDxg0yZ
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/02/20120502gilbert-mass-shooting-arizona-russell-pearce-statement.html