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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:45 AM May 2012

Baby, 18 months old, ordered off plane at Fort Lauderdale airport

Source: WPBF channel 25

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - EIghteen-month-old Riyanna has been called a lot of things: cute, adorable and now ... a suspected terrorist.

She was called that on Tuesday night at the Ft Lauderdale Airport. She and her parents had just boarded a JetBlue flight when an airline employee approached them and asked them to get off the plane, saying representatives from the Transportation Security Agency wanted to speak to them.


"And I said, 'For what?'" Riyanna's mother told only WPBF 25 News on Wednesday. "And he said, 'Well, it's not you or your husband. Your daughter was flagged as no fly.' I said, 'Excuse me?'"
Rihanna's father was flabbergasted.
"It's absurd," he said. "It made no sense. Why would an 18-month-old child be on a no-fly list?"

Riyanna's parents, who asked not to be identified, said they think they know the answer to that question. They believe they were profiled because they are both of Middle Eastern descent. Riyanna's mother wears a hijab, a traditional head scarf. That's why they have asked to remain anonymous. They said they're concerned about repurcussions. That said, they are both Americans, born and raised in New Jersey, just like their daughter.

Riyanna's parents said once they were taken off the plane, they were met by TSA agents and made to stand in the terminal for about 30 minutes."We were put on display like a circus act because my wife wears a hijab," Riyanna's father said.


Suspected Terrorist Picture






Read more: http://www.wpbf.com/news/south-florida/Baby-18-months-old-ordered-off-plane-at-Fort-Lauderdale-airport/-/8788880/13038550/-/fhxhp7/-/index.html

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Baby, 18 months old, ordered off plane at Fort Lauderdale airport (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter May 2012 OP
Just more TSA bullshit. Millions of taxpayer dollars LibDemAlways May 2012 #1
That would be billions. Prometheus Bound May 2012 #5
Sure looks like a terrorist to me! Bozita May 2012 #2
It is such a tough call braddy May 2012 #7
LOL LOL LOL newfie11 May 2012 #14
I'm told waterboarding doesn't work on them--they just scream their language and pee all over you... hlthe2b May 2012 #16
Newest crime in the United States of Police: BEING BROWN!!!! Suji to Seoul May 2012 #3
Nothing 'new' about it. elleng May 2012 #40
"The Diaper Bomber" thelordofhell May 2012 #4
she will fuck your shit up AtomicKitten May 2012 #6
She scares me to death. MrSlayer May 2012 #8
TSA doesn't work, it needs to be PRIVATIZED! DontTreadOnMe May 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author PuraVidaDreamin May 2012 #10
No -- it needs to be staffed by smarter, better trained, and better paid individuals. Auggie May 2012 #39
Notice how most of these "reports of TSA abuse" appear in wing-nut publications emulatorloo May 2012 #44
This seems absurd and offensive until bombs are being put into rectums, or sewn into dogs... boppers May 2012 #11
It is security theatre. Otherwise they would have flagged the parents and not the kid. TalkingDog May 2012 #23
Ages are not on the list. Nor are the parents of everybody on the list. boppers May 2012 #55
If you are on the list, boarding passes would not have been issued. ManiacJoe May 2012 #58
IIRC, It was a soundex match, so it passed initial scrutiny. boppers May 2012 #59
They should not have been taken off the plane in the first place. ManiacJoe May 2012 #60
somebody = TSA justice1 May 2012 #61
We've become a nation of scaredy-cats Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #63
"some idiot who sticks a bomb up his ass" boppers May 2012 #64
You know, I'm not any more worried about that than about Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #65
I look at it from a slightly odder angle... boppers May 2012 #67
Secure flight requires providing DOB when buying the ticket so the age was known. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #62
The whole purpose of the TSA is intimidation... lib2DaBone May 2012 #12
A lot of buck-passing in that story muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #13
She had a stink bomb inside her diaper. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #15
sometimes i think my 9 month old granddaughter is a terrorist... madrchsod May 2012 #17
Two words: DIAPER BOMBS! tclambert May 2012 #18
They were afraid of stink bombs! Suji to Seoul May 2012 #48
Been there done it... trumad May 2012 #57
TSA is vile. Shut it down. nt BlueIris May 2012 #19
Only use air travel The Wizard May 2012 #20
which is a shame, since air travel used to be so enjoyable Blue_Tires May 2012 #22
Haven't flown since '98, very likely never will again n/t IDemo May 2012 #26
You don't think rail would be subject to the same nonsense? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #43
Don't you people understand? The common thing between ALL terrorists is that: marble falls May 2012 #21
Maybe because she has two names: Rihanna AND Riyanna alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #24
Rihanna is the good child. Riyanna is a terror baby. Liberal Veteran May 2012 #25
ROFL alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #52
Anyone remember the way the 9/11 terrorists were dressed? I sure do Roland99 May 2012 #27
Teh stoopid and the derp hifiguy May 2012 #28
Quick! Send her to the GitMo Playpen! (nt) KansDem May 2012 #29
If this baby is a a terrorist folks game over. iandhr May 2012 #30
Hey has anyone dealt with one of those diapers after Smilo May 2012 #31
kick for the petrified pro-TSA posters on the board.. frylock May 2012 #32
Is there anyone on DU who still thinks the Bush-era "watch list" is of any value? slackmaster May 2012 #33
Hmmm, this is the Obama-era. Bush certainly has plenty of faults, but this one falls on the 24601 May 2012 #53
Interesting two paragraphs at the end of the article. ManiacJoe May 2012 #34
The opacity of the "terror watch list" gives TSA an easy out for embarrassments like this slackmaster May 2012 #35
According to repeated claims by the government, via the media, ManiacJoe May 2012 #36
I won't believe anything the government says about the list until they publish it slackmaster May 2012 #37
WTF? Odin2005 May 2012 #38
Well, terrorists do tend to be young . . . 4th law of robotics May 2012 #41
Oh yeah, that's a terrorist if I've ever seen one. Someone please help these idiots. Maybe LoisB May 2012 #42
This thread needs a theme song. Uncle Joe May 2012 #45
That girl is so cute, I was thinking something more like this because it's transportation-related slackmaster May 2012 #47
What. an. embarrassment. felix_numinous May 2012 #46
SOUNDS AND LOOKS TO ME LIKE drynberg May 2012 #49
Jeesh Did she name that child after the singer? Thrill May 2012 #50
'They were met by TSA agents and made to stand in the terminal for about 30 minutes' tawadi May 2012 #51
Clearly she was secreting pounds of plastique inside her cheeks. rug May 2012 #54
That's sure the scariest baby I've ever seen!!! Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #56
when is this shit going to end? yurbud May 2012 #66
Kids these days, they blow up so fast. You can just never be too careful. olddad56 May 2012 #68
That was the airline, not TSA. They would never have made it passed the security check point if it appleannie1 May 2012 #69
Man, That Is One Dirty Diaper! AnnieBW May 2012 #70

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
1. Just more TSA bullshit. Millions of taxpayer dollars
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:51 AM
May 2012

flushed down the toilet in a government sanctioned effort to harass and intimidate ordinary travelers. Would-be troublemakers are, no doubt, laughing their asses off.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
7. It is such a tough call
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:49 AM
May 2012

18 month olds are so hard to read.

I remember interrogating one once and I asked her, "honey, are you a terrorist?", well let me tell you! Her answer was barely coherent, it was almost gurglely gibberish, I could tell right then that she was barely fluent in speaking our language.

Naturally I turned her over to my superiors.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
16. I'm told waterboarding doesn't work on them--they just scream their language and pee all over you...
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:21 AM
May 2012

Heavens I'm tired of the insanity.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
8. She scares me to death.
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:56 AM
May 2012

Was her name the same as someone who actually needs to be on the list? You have to wonder how anyone can look at this and not immediately realize how ridiculous the situation is. I guess procedure is procedure but someone has to inject common sense at some point.

 

DontTreadOnMe

(2,442 posts)
9. TSA doesn't work, it needs to be PRIVATIZED!
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:37 AM
May 2012

You didn't see this coming?

In Florida, (I read a report a few day ago that stated something like).. $180M worth of TSA screening equipment, that "we" paid for", is just sitting not being used... SEE.. the TSA doesn't work! And NOW the Republicans are arguing that the government should not be in charge of the TSA, that is should be privatized.

1. First you need to fool the public that we need the TSA, for OUR safety.
2. Then make sure it doesn't work
3. Then hand over a billion dollar "industry" to your friends...

WATCH FOR HOW MANY TSA INCIDENTS WE HAVE IN TE NEXT FEW MONTH WHERE THE STATE HAS A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR!

Response to DontTreadOnMe (Reply #9)

emulatorloo

(44,115 posts)
44. Notice how most of these "reports of TSA abuse" appear in wing-nut publications
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:21 PM
May 2012

I agree with your position 100%. This is about Republicans busting unions and privatizing airport security so they can enrich their donors.

This is an unpopular thing to say at DU. But you nailed it.

See also this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=118116

boppers

(16,588 posts)
11. This seems absurd and offensive until bombs are being put into rectums, or sewn into dogs...
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:17 AM
May 2012

Oh, wait, that already happened.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
23. It is security theatre. Otherwise they would have flagged the parents and not the kid.
Thu May 10, 2012, 08:31 AM
May 2012

Any cursory reading of the way other countries handle airport security shows that this kind of bullshit is absolutely unnecessary with as good a success rate and often times better.

So stop propagandizing for them please.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
55. Ages are not on the list. Nor are the parents of everybody on the list.
Fri May 11, 2012, 01:20 AM
May 2012

Also not on the list: their siblings, grandparents, children, grandchildren, etc.

If any country had a name pop up as being a passenger on a no fly list, *AND* the passengers in their party were dressed in fundamentalist religious garb, they would be questioned more than if neither were true.

That's a no-brainer.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
58. If you are on the list, boarding passes would not have been issued.
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:05 AM
May 2012

There are no children on the list, according to the government.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
59. IIRC, It was a soundex match, so it passed initial scrutiny.
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:03 PM
May 2012

No children are on the list. There are names on the list that seem similar to other names.

Let me break it down for you. Say a child named Aymin al-Zawaheree got passes for boarding a plane. No exact match, so they would be allowed to board, but might be flagged.

Ayman al-Zawahiri, however, Is an internationally wanted fugitive. Same name, different spelling.

So, somebody might see that the names don't match *exactly*, but want to check anyways, and asked to question the passenger. Turns out the passenger is a child, no problem, lets all move on with life.

At this point, the passengers could point out the obvious, and get back on a plane, and go on with life, or decide they want their 15 minutes of fame, and make a news story out of it, and we can now all make an issue of it on a web forum.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
60. They should not have been taken off the plane in the first place.
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:06 PM
May 2012

Everyone involved knew that the "problem" was the child, thus they all knew that there was no problem.

You did a good job at describing the process, but all of that gets taken care of at the ticket counter before the issuing of the boarding passes.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
63. We've become a nation of scaredy-cats
Sat May 12, 2012, 02:42 AM
May 2012

A person is less likely to die in a terrorist attack on a plane than in an "ordinary" crash.

This is theater designed to turn us into compliant little subjects, and the harassment just gets worse and worse.

When I flew two months after 9/11, they made me take the file off my nail clipper. Like I could actually stab someone with something that has thick, rounded edges?

We can't carry liquids because some idiots in London who didn't even have passports and therefore couldn't have gotten on a plane even DOMESTICALLY in the UK were thinking about making bombs by combining liquids.

We have to take off our shoes because some idiot tried to set his shoes on fire (and was stopped by a fellow passenger).

We have to be scanned or groped because some idiot (whose father had warned that he had terrorist tendencies) tried to detonate his underwear.

We'd better hope that the next step isn't some idiot who sticks a bomb up his ass.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
64. "some idiot who sticks a bomb up his ass"
Sat May 12, 2012, 03:11 AM
May 2012

Already been done, though not via an airline flight, it was an Al-Qaeda land assassination attempt. A couple years back.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-5347847.html

Security protocols did not change, however, as there isn't any real solution for this one yet, short of everybody going through full body X-ray (not the lightweight back-scatter kind).

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
65. You know, I'm not any more worried about that than about
Sat May 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
May 2012

plane malfunctions or bad weather.

There are many ways to die, and to get everyone hysterical about terrorism as if there's one behind every tree is just an excuse for authoritarianism.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
67. I look at it from a slightly odder angle...
Sat May 12, 2012, 04:50 PM
May 2012

What is so insanely entitled, disconnected, bizarrely confused, about "Americans", that they are so easily terrified? Is it a form of socialized cowardice? A lack of self reliance?

When did we start being scared of our own shadows, and why?

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
62. Secure flight requires providing DOB when buying the ticket so the age was known.
Sat May 12, 2012, 01:33 AM
May 2012

Secure Flight should have prevented the flagging of a toddler. Either it failed or TSA flagged the family for some other reason such as the mother's garb.

What is Secure Flight and what does it do?
Secure Flight is a behind-the-scenes program that streamlines the watch list matching process and identifies individuals who may pose a threat to aviation. The Secure Flight Final Rule shifted pre-departure watch list matching responsibilities from individual airlines for domestic flights and from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) for international flights to the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Secure Flight program. Secure Flight improves the travel experience for all passengers, including those who have been misidentified in the past.

As of November 2010, 100 percent of covered domestic and foreign airlines with flights into, out of, and within the United States are now covered under Secure Flight – fulfilling a key 9/11 Commission recommendation. Secure Flight continues to work with the airline industry to deploy to airlines implementing new service or adding additional flights covered by the Secure Flight Final Rule.

What information is collected by Secure Flight?
TSA collects the following information, known as Secure Flight Passenger Data (SFPD), for flights into, out of, and within the United States:

Name (as it appears on the government-issued identification [ID] the passenger plans to use when traveling)
Date of birth
Gender
Redress Number (if applicable)

What is the objective of Secure Flight?
The goals of the program are to:

Identify individuals on the No Fly List and prevent them from boarding an aircraft
Identify individuals on the Selectee and Expanded Selectee List for enhanced screening
Prevents future misidentifications through the integration of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Redress process
Facilitate passenger air travel
Protect individuals' privacyWhat is Secure Flight and what does it do?




 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
12. The whole purpose of the TSA is intimidation...
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:38 AM
May 2012

..designed to get the public used to surrendering to illegal search and seizure.

The TSA is part of the total 911 plan (as designed by the Neocons) to promote our economy as a secuity state.


Look for lots of false-flag security incidients between now and election day.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
13. A lot of buck-passing in that story
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:58 AM
May 2012

JetBlue blames TSA, TSA blames JetBlue. I hope there is a court case, and someone gets blamed.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
17. sometimes i think my 9 month old granddaughter is a terrorist...
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:26 AM
May 2012

usually when i change her diaper.....the smell would clear a plane in no time at all

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
57. Been there done it...
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:09 AM
May 2012

Three terrorist live with me and each had Diaper Bombs.

Somehow I survived.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
43. You don't think rail would be subject to the same nonsense?
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:19 PM
May 2012

If it were to replace airtravel within the US I have no doubt there'd be TSA agents doing the same things at train stations.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
21. Don't you people understand? The common thing between ALL terrorists is that:
Thu May 10, 2012, 08:09 AM
May 2012

they all were once 18 months old. Catch them young and you've caught them all. Brilliant!

What I wouldn't give to hear W's weaselly little laugh just one more time.

I will be voting for the President believing his second term will finally start fixing this shit. The terrorists blow up their underwear and TSA wear theirs on their heads.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
25. Rihanna is the good child. Riyanna is a terror baby.
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:17 AM
May 2012

I read about them in Highlights magazine. They replaced Goofus and Gallant.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
27. Anyone remember the way the 9/11 terrorists were dressed? I sure do
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:34 AM
May 2012

They looked like ANY guy in, say, an IT dept, that was of middle eastern descent.

So, maybe they should be profiling people dressed like me (although my severe lack of tan might at least let me get thru un-patted down)

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
30. If this baby is a a terrorist folks game over.
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:09 AM
May 2012

Lewis Black quote but he applied to a 95 year old woman in a wheelchair.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
31. Hey has anyone dealt with one of those diapers after
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:12 AM
May 2012

an explosion........... not pretty.

TSA is pathetic.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
33. Is there anyone on DU who still thinks the Bush-era "watch list" is of any value?
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:32 AM
May 2012

Or that it should be used to restrict anyone's civil rights?

24601

(3,959 posts)
53. Hmmm, this is the Obama-era. Bush certainly has plenty of faults, but this one falls on the
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:35 PM
May 2012

current administration - unless you saying they have no clue about what's going on in government while Bush pulls the strings from behind the curtain. (I don't buy that for a nano-second.) President Obama became 100% responsible at noon on Jan 20, 2009.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
34. Interesting two paragraphs at the end of the article.
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:34 AM
May 2012
WPBF contacted JetBlue and was told this was an issue with the Transportation Safety Administration. JetBlue also said both it and the TSA are investigating the incident.

But the TSA disagreed, telling WPBF this is an airline issue and therefore, it is not investigating. The TSA also said that since Riyanna and her parents were issued boarding passes, that means they had been cleared by the TSA and were definitely not on the no-fly list.
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
35. The opacity of the "terror watch list" gives TSA an easy out for embarrassments like this
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:37 AM
May 2012

Is the child's name actually on the no-fly list, or not?

We have no way of finding out. And if her name is on it, her parents have no avenue of due process available for getting her name removed from the list.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
36. According to repeated claims by the government, via the media,
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:30 PM
May 2012

there are no children on the no fly list.

LoisB

(7,201 posts)
42. Oh yeah, that's a terrorist if I've ever seen one. Someone please help these idiots. Maybe
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:18 PM
May 2012

she had a bomb in those cute little cheeks.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
47. That girl is so cute, I was thinking something more like this because it's transportation-related
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:52 PM
May 2012

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
46. What. an. embarrassment.
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:47 PM
May 2012

the TSA, Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, wars based on lies, and all the other bullshit responses this country has has to endure, after having to go through the NATIONAL TRAGEDY of 911. This shit does not remotely resemble how any civilized country would respond to the possibility of terrorism. This farce and blatant waste of taxpayer dollars is a behemoth frankenstein monster left over from the Bush years, and needs to be dismantled and money but back into social programs where it belongs!!

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
49. SOUNDS AND LOOKS TO ME LIKE
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:06 PM
May 2012

a bit of responsibility and consequences need to be handed out quite publicly so other TSA goons will see that there is a price to pay for being assholes. So, lots of heat may help them see the light...

tawadi

(2,110 posts)
51. 'They were met by TSA agents and made to stand in the terminal for about 30 minutes'
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:23 PM
May 2012

Why? Why make them stand in the airport another 30 minutes? To embarrass them even more?

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
69. That was the airline, not TSA. They would never have made it passed the security check point if it
Sat May 12, 2012, 08:37 PM
May 2012

was TSA. They need to sue the crap out of Jet Blue.

AnnieBW

(10,424 posts)
70. Man, That Is One Dirty Diaper!
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:52 AM
May 2012

I've heard of kids dropping stink-bombs in their Pampers, but to call them terrorists?


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