Despite Supreme Court Denial, Rowan Co., Ky. Clerk Still Denying Same Sex Marriage Licenses
Source: WSAZ
MOREHEAD, Ky. (WSAZAP) -- Minutes after the Rowan County Clerks Office opened Tuesday morning, Clerk Kim Davis again denied a marriage license to a same-sex couple.
Davis say the Office is denying the licenses 'under God's authority'
The denial comes hours after a U.S. Supreme Court Justice declined to intervene in Davis fight to deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
A stay issued by U. S District Court Judge David Bunning expired on Monday.
Read more: http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Rowan-Clerk-Ordered-To-Issue-Marriage-Licenses-Again-323007901.html
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)religious beliefs.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)She can be thrown in jail for contempt of court. This is what she wants and what she will get. A martyr for the cause another god's warrior.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)religious crap giving some people the feeling of being omnipotent and upmanship to roll or try to roll over others.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)lock her in the general population
maybe few days spent among hard core criminals will change her tune
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Jail is where one is held prior to trial, prison is where one goes if sentenced after conviction.
Sit her ass in jail and stop her salary until she agrees to do her job, or resigns.
She is confused in thinking that stamping a marriage license is HER speech. She believes that her first amendment rights are being violated, but a marriage license is the STATE'S speech, not hers. She does not have the right to deny legal documents to people she doesn't like. As long as one has all the legal requirements to get any document from the county, she has the obligation to issue that document, regardless of her personal feelings.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)She is violating the orders of a number of judges.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)They are breaking the law just as much as she is - and they CAN be fired. From the videos I have seen there are at least five or six people working in that office other than Kim Davis. Every single one of them that refuses to follow the law should be fired.
Arby
(60 posts)"KRS522.020 - Official misconduct in the first degree. (1) A public servant is guilty of official misconduct in the first degree when, with intent to obtain or confer a benefit or to injure another person or to deprive another person of a benefit, he knowingly: (a) Commits an act relating to his office which constitutes an unauthorized exercise of his official functions; or (b) Refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office; or (c) Violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation relating to his office. (2) Official misconduct in the first degree is a Class A misdemeanor. "
The real question is, will they ...
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Probably not the way things will go.
My Kentucky roots (both parents born and raised) are angry about this.
kay1864
(5,064 posts)No way will they impeach her.
However the state attorney general is deciding whether to
Official misconduct is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 365 days in jail.
Stay tuned...
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Arby
(60 posts)I was thinking the same thing and wondering if they already have an account set up ...
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I need to mull this over, ponder, if you will, the way to exploit these bonehead for at least a couple 100K.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)supporters turn out because you are violating what her god told her?
This needs to end, but our penchant for war seems to have schooled a whole nation in the idea that rights are something you force on someone with your foot on their neck.
Now we get to lay in this bed we made.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)well please under their ridiculous banner of religion. She is breaking the law and deserves the consequences. Take away marriage equality and substitute it with something else they object to under their religion, and the same can happen. This sets the precedence of doing what the voices in ones head tell one to do from their god or beliefs. It's ridiculous this has gone this far.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)her.
Does the state Attorney General need to come up with a warrant to protect the public, perhaps?
A voter recall has to be initiated?
People are being harmed, however, and as you said, it needs to get fixed.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)can't just be outright fired, but it's clear she is violating the law with her actions.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)come busting in at 3 in the morning.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I foresee a very small room in Kim Davis' future.
madamvlb
(495 posts)LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)1 Corinthians 7:10-11King James Version (KJV)
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
Matthew 19:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mark 10:12King James Version (KJV)
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Botany
(70,489 posts)Just because somebody believes in a deity does not mean they can act like a deity
and tell the rest of us how to live. She was elected to be a county clerk not the
county's pastor.
"Davis say the Office is denying the licenses 'under God's authority'"
Time for Kentucky's A.G. to go to Rowan County w/some state police or US Marshals
and maybe some law students and remove Ms. Davis from office and any other
person that is not doing his or her job and replace them on a temporary basis w/
the law students. Lots of people in KY would like a good job working in the county
clerk's office.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)Via the Washington Post:
VIDEO: Watch this furious gay couple shout CALL THE POLICE! after Davis tells them to get out of her office.
UPDATE: The crowd is chanting DO YOUR JOB!
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snort
(2,334 posts)I will sweep into her office and began beating her with a stick screaming with every blow "No blending fabrics!"
catbyte
(34,372 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)lobodons
(1,290 posts)Seems she has a temporary corner cell in her office that she retreated to at end of video clip.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)I posted this yesterday, but I'm beginning to think that Kim Davis is being taken for a ride. Matt Staver, the head honcho of the Liberty Counsel, won't be sitting in a jail cell. His donations are going to keep rolling in. The person who will never get a job this good again is Kim Davis. She needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
Is Kentuckys Infamous Anti-Gay Clerk Getting Taken for a Ride by Her Lawyers?
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)This woman is dumber than a pile of bricks. She's been married 4 times and thinks she knows what the 'sanctity of marriage' is. She doesn't realize how stupid she looks. I could see perhaps she might actually have some reason for her fight if this woman was married for 30+ years to the same man and showed that she had some knowledge of the bible. But clearly she doesn't.
She is a puppet being used by someone else. No one can be that stupid unless she has someone else pulling the strings.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:06 PM - Edit history (1)
She's raking in $80,000 per year, for a job that has no (AFAIK) educational requirement. All she has to do is hand out forms to people, and when they are returned to her, see that the forms have been signed on line 3 and line 7, also line 14 on the back, and that they have been dated. Now how would you like to pay for that? Yes, we can take plastic, but there's a service fee.
That's it. In return, she makes enough money to live like Donald Trump in Rowan County, Kentucky. She can dine at the nicest restaurants in Louisville. She can go to Europe. She can buy or lease a new car every three years. She's got a 401(k). She's got health insurance. Her son is on the payroll, and she took over the position that her mother held.*
Check the IRS Form 990 (I think) for Liberty Counsel to see how much Matt Staver will be hauling in while Davis is getting rejected for a job as a Walmart greeter, due to her hostility.
Edited from: "She put her son on the payroll, after taking over the position her mother held."
I don't know if the son was working there before she was elected to the position.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I had read that her son worked in the office - but didn't realize her mother had held the clerk position before she did.
No wonder she thinks she's above the law. She probably thinks no one but a member of her family should be allowed to head that office.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)into something else. She could also be on a power trip. Maybe she's looking for an appointment by Trump! LOL!
3catwoman3
(23,972 posts)FOUR TIMES???!!! Seriously? Then WTF does she know about the so-called sanctity of marriage. Unless her first 3 husband died, not a damn things. What a self-righteous twit. Sheesh.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Gotta wonder about the quality of men in that part of the country, or the desperation.
3catwoman3
(23,972 posts)...who like the "hair hanging down to your butt" look.
kay1864
(5,064 posts)The person who will never get a job this good again
No kidding. She makes $80,000 in that job.
Praying she gets jail time (rather than a fine) for contempt of court. And additional jail time for the official misconduct charge.
She's already broken her vows with God (she's been married four times), so apparently she gets to pick and choose which of God's laws she follows.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)and hold her personally responsible for any and all legal fees.
maybe losing everything she owns will teach her a lesson
madamvlb
(495 posts)The Honorable David L. Bunning
United States District Judge
US District Court
35 West 5th Street
Covington, KY 41011
Phone: (859) 392-7907
Fax: (859) 392-7945
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)Tuesday morning:
Kentucky clerk continues to deny gay-marriage licenses, under Gods authority
By Jim Higdon and J. Freedom du Lac September 1 at 8:41 AM
MOREHEAD, Ky. The office of Kim Davis, the elected clerk of Kentuckys Rowan County, rejected requests for marriage licences from the first two same-sex couples to enter the courthouse Tuesday just hours after the Supreme Court ruled against a request from Davis to be excused from issuing such licenses.
April Miller and Karen Roberts were the first couple through the door and the first to be rejected. ... They were followed by David Ermold and David Moore who were rejected for the third time in Rowan County.
Davis did not make an appearance at the counter as the first couples streamed in, leaving employees to deny the licenses on her behalf. A woman at counter said Davis was doing reports. .. When Davis emerged, she declared that she was not issuing any licenses. ... Under whose authority? she was asked. ... Under Gods authority, she said.
Amid chants of Resign! and Do your job! Davis asked the rejected applicants to leave the courthouse. ... Morehead County Sheriff Matt Clark told the couples there was nothing he could do, saying the matter was in the hands of the federal courts.
Monday night:
Supreme Court rejects county officials request in gay-marriage case
By Sandhya Somashekhar and Robert Barnes August 31 at 9:16 PM
The Supreme Court on Monday turned down a Kentucky county clerks request to be excused from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, the courts first involvement in a series of legal battles that have erupted since gay couples won the right to marry.
The court, without comment, turned away a request by Kim Davis, the elected clerk of Rowan County in northeast Kentucky, who faces fines or even jail time if she doesnt begin issuing marriage licenses Tuesday. Davis, a devout Apostolic Christian who opposes same-sex marriage, has argued that doing so would violate her religious liberties.
Daviss resistance has led to the most prominent of a number of legal skirmishes that have broken out since the high court decided in June that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry. The ruling was implemented relatively smoothly at first but lately has encountered resistance, particularly in the South.
Two counties in Texas and about a dozen in Alabama are also refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, according to gay rights groups. In Mississippi, two same-sex couples are challenging a state law barring gay couples from adopting children. And in Florida, a couple has sued over a state agencys refusal to name both of them as parents on their childs birth certificate.
David Ermold, right, attempts to hand Rowan County clerks a copy of a U.S. District Court ruling instructing the county to start issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. (Timothy D. Easley/AP)
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turbinetree
(24,695 posts)will now order her to come before the court, she will have do some explaining, a lot of it
He will then ask her are you going to issue those documents (marriage) and he will warn her, if she fails to do so, he will
hold her in Contempt.
If she says that she will not issues them ----------off to jail she will go, and she will be fined, and the citizens of that state and town will have to pay for this shenanigans------simple----------it more than likely has already costs thousands
And this just shows you how a conservative (if she is one) would run the country with the clown car barreling down the current highway-------denying the courts
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)have in jail. And she is likely to have hundreds, perhaps thousands of supporters, show up outside. Could get interestinger.
Can't just make it a paid position, state constitution and all that.
Can't have a new election while she is still the winner.
Messy for a while, and their legislature is likely to have to intervene.
This is one of those classic cases - progressives do things for progress, their opponents don't have to DO anything, just stop what is being done. They almost burn things down, think they win.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)but elected officials have been thrown in jail for contempt, and her team mates (co-workers) on her team will have to make a decision if she is thrown in jail, because they are temporarily in charge--------either they issue the documents or they can go to jail also-----they also are not above the ruling by the court, this will get messy quick, but they made there bed now sleep in it
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)follow. In fact, she is a paper pusher with a ridiculously high salary. She should be grateful for that. As someone else has said, and I agree, she is possibly being used as a stooge, a patsy, to enrich others wealth who are advising her.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)have there own agenda, and now that there is nothing left for them to do, they are just wringing there collective hands trying to see who to sacrifice next across the country.
Is just like PPP poll that was put out last night about Obama, there human beings out there that think the president is something else other than a christian or muslim or not at all, and if the McCarthyism Cruz is or is not born in this country.
Then to top it all off on the wackiness--------they think they are above the law-------------they (she) keep forgetting two of the rules from the commandments---------------the one about not bearing false witness against there neighbor--------and that's what she is doing in essence-------------and she is trying to be a god
Time for some ..........................
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)turbinetree
(24,695 posts)have wonderful day, and I hope that millions of others across the country and especially in Rowan can have it too
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)incapacitated, what is the procedure to replace?
Since she replaced her mother in the position, maybe they don't have a procedure outside of royal succession by ballot box. But if the State of Kentucky has a procedure to replace an incapacitated or deceased elected official, maybe they should use it. The woman has incapacitated herself by defying court orders and she needs to step down.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Under Gods authority my FUCKING ASS! Does she hear voices? Maybe they should have her committed for observation.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)much of this spills over into her other obligations as a clerk. To me, she appears unbalanced and unfit to serve. If she has that great an objection to doing her job, then she should find other employment. In my corporate life if I had objected to my assignments I would have been fired. She should be removed by the legislature. Now the question is, as I've read, most of them apparently agree with her. This is so similar to racial discrimination. It's the SOS. Just different times, different people, different situation, but it's the SOS.
And, if she is not removed, this sets precedence for other clerks to do as they damn well please under the banner of their religion. This damn religious nonsense has to be stopped.
longship
(40,416 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Pretty sure they have a case. They could break the county's bank and that would get her 'impeachment' moving.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Multiple (expensive) lawsuits woudl provoke action by the legislature.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)She is doing this on her own accord so she is personally liable for the damages to the people denied their marriage licenses.
It's time to sue her and every individual in her office who has denied a marriage license. Freeze their bank accounts, seize their salaries, take all their assets.
Caveat - I'm not an attorney and have no knowledge of the specific laws in Kentucky. It could be different in Kentucky. If I remember correctly, one clerk in Texas was sued and resigned when she found out she was on the hook with no help from the county.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)I saw this comment to Kentucky clerk continues to deny gay-marriage licenses, under Gods authority:
9:29 AM EDT
I don't even know where to start. I am so humbled and feel so blessed that the people put so much confidence in me, said Davis. My words can never express the appreciation but I promise to each and every one that I will be the very best working clerk that I can be and will be a good steward of their tax dollars and follow the statutes of this office to the letter.
-- Excerpted from "Davis following her mother as county clerk" The Morehead News, Friday, November 7, 2014
So much for "I promise to each and every one..." to "follow the statutes of this office to the letter.
Davis following her mother as county clerk
by Shayla Menville
Democrat Kim Davis defeated Republican John Cox on Tuesday to claim the office of Rowan County clerk as the successor to her mother, Jean Bailey, who has held the position for 37 years.
I don't even know where to start. I am so humbled and feel so blessed that the people put so much confidence in me, said Davis. My words can never express the appreciation but I promise to each and every one that I will be the very best working clerk that I can be and will be a good steward of their tax dollars and follow the statutes of this office to the letter.
....
I have learned from the very best and it is an honor and privilege to follow in the footsteps of one of the most well-respected clerks in the state, said Davis. I don't know if there will be anything as sweet as having her pass this on to me and I will dedicate myself to the people and the office while serving my term.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)People's 'confidence' in her was obviously misplaced.
"I promise to each and every one that I will be the very best working clerk that I can be and will be a good steward of their tax dollars and follow the statutes of this office to the letter"
So she has broken her promise. She felt 'blessed', but then broke the law and her promise, with a year. She really is a failure as a human being.
3catwoman3
(23,972 posts)I am sincerely shocked! Kick her out of the party!
former9thward
(31,978 posts)There is no authority to do that. In the U.S. if you say you are a Democrat then you are a Democrat. If you say you are a Republican then you are a Republican.
3catwoman3
(23,972 posts)...based on disgust.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)Reporter Andrew Wolfson can be reached at (502) 582-7189 or at awolfson@courier-journal.com Reporter Mike Wynn contributed to this story.
Rowan County clerk continues to deny marriage licenses, defying court order
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September 1, 2015 Updated 6 minutes ago
2015-09-01 T13:48:23Z
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MOREHEAD Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis told two couples who asked for marriage licenses early Tuesday that she would not issue them, despite a federal court injunction ordering her to do so.
Davis refuses marriage licenses today
County Clerk Kim Davis has refused to issue marriage licenses this morning after a Supreme Court ruling late Monday.
The high courts action means that Davis must obey the court order or face incarceration and/or fines.
She also is facing a possible criminal charge of official misconduct in Rowan District Court.
Davis has refused to issue marriage licenses to anyone since the Supreme Courts June 26 decision to legalize same-sex marriage in all states.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)i know it would cause a legal fight but if you refuse to perform teh duties of your office i wonder if the judge can declare she has voluntarily quit. then the county can get a new clerk who will issude licenses while the legal battles go forward.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)What exactly is the contingency for this kind of thing surely there is one. She will most likley be arrested by US marshals at work for violation of a court order, ( the local law enforcement will likley wash their hands of it) so what becomes of the office if she's jailed for part of or the duration of her office ?
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Seriously, her utter disrespect for the higher court's ruling is a disgrace. She needs to be held in contempt, put in jail, and anyone else in the chain of command for that office during her absence that refuses to do his/her job needs to be held in contempt, as well.
Absurdity is making national news.
onecaliberal
(32,824 posts)She has zero business being there if she can't do her job.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)jcheves@herald-leader.com
(859) 231-3266
@BGPolitics
Blog: Bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.com
September 1, 2015 Updated 13 minutes ago
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)She ought to be jailed and her salary given to those she has discriminated against.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)The Liberty Counsel has issued a statement from Kim Davis. It reads in full:
"In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.
"I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with Gods definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will.
"To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and Gods Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for peoples religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience."
The Liberty Counsel notes that while the stay is no longer in effect, Davis appeal to the Sixth Circuit Court remains active.
Kentucky clerk Kim Davis on gay marriage licenses: It is a Heaven or Hell decision
The Latest: Kentucky Clerk Details Her Religious Beliefs
beac
(9,992 posts)
Yes, Kim, tell us ALL about the deeply-held convictions you've had for 48 months following the demise of your fourth mother-in-law. And pssst..... Jesus never said a word about homosexuality.
Please someone snap a photo of this nutjob coming out of a bbq restaurant wearing a poly-cotton dress.
Heeeeers Johnny
(423 posts)and had no business in giving their 'blessing' by issuing a license.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)cut n/pasted:
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Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1 ). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21 . In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
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