CNN amends debate criteria, Fiorina may get in

[brooklynite]

Source: Salon

WASHINGTON (AP) — CNN has changed its criteria for who qualifies for the next Republican presidential debate, giving former technology executive Carly Fiorina a better chance at appearing in the Sept. 16 prime-time affair.

The news network announced the change on Tuesday following weeks of public pressure from Fiorina and her supporters.

Fiorina is the only woman in the Republican field. She likely would not have been among the top 10 candidates on the debate stage on Sept. 16 as determined by national polling between July 16 and Sept. 10. The new terms would add any candidate who ranks in the top 10 in polling between Aug. 6 and Sept. 10 — a period that better reflects Fiorina’s rise in the polls.

The final participants will be announced on Sept. 10.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/2015/09/01/cnn_amends_debate_criteria_fiorina_may_get_in/

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Rigging the deck?

I agree that Fiorina deserves to be in the primetime session, but once you've announced your criteria.....

[CincyDem]

1. The criteria is "maximize ratings" and if Carly does that, she's in. n/t

[dsc]

2. the sad part about this, is that there is a perfectly fair method of doing this

divide the 17 candidates into 4 randomly selected groups (3 having 4 candidates and 1 having 5). Call them group A, B, C, and D. Divide the debate into four segments. Segment 1 Groups A and B debate domestic issues, segment 2 groups C and D debate domestic issues. Segment 3 groups A and C debate foreign policy. Segment 4 groups B and D debate foreign policy.

[tomm2thumbs]

3. GOP sees her at the anti-Trump

unfortunately, she's more the anti-Votes

lolololol

[Attorney in Texas]

5. Anti-Trump? She and Trump have the exact same political resume in terms of offices they have held.

[StevieM]

8. I think he means that they see Fiorina as not being as bombastic as Trump.

And not as hated by Latino-Americans.

[Attorney in Texas]

13. I think they're just scared of being revealed as a local chapter of the He-Man Woman Haters Club

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

17. So Darla is out AGAIN! That's so 20th century!

[Attorney in Texas]

14. The reason her poll numbers rose after the first debate was that she was the most bombastic kid at

the children's table debate.

[Attorney in Texas]

23. Carly may have ruined a bigger business, but Trump has ruined more businesses - let's call it a draw

[sufrommich]

9. I think they see her as VP material for whatever

dude eventually gets the nom.

[tabasco]

19. That's it. The prostitute media has been given instructions to include Fiorina

and "revised the standard" to make it happen.

[Attorney in Texas]

4. So the CNN debate is pretty much like the Hunger Games where the make up the rules as they go?

If CNN bends the rules to let Fiorina into the debate, then presumably CNN is bending the rules to exclude another candidate (probably Christie).

The article does not say if this change in the rules is intended to expand the field past 10 participants, but presumably that rule will remain in place because there is no mention of any such change. If CNN is changing the rules to accommodate one specific candidate at the expense of another candidate, how can CNN deny that it is rigging the game to show favoritism?

This will blow up in CNN's face.

[StevieM]

7. I think the article indicates that they would let Fiorina in, along with Christie.

In other words, they will have 11 people on the stage.

It would make so much more sense to just have two debates.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

6. I don't think she deserves anything.

other than suffering another loss. !

[Attorney in Texas]

12. CNN set rules. The rules were clear (unlike the FauxNews rules). Fiorina isn't meeting the criteria.

Why should she get special treatment?

Who will CNN cave for next?

Poor Christie who thought he had the 10th position locked before CNN pulled the rug out from under his feet? Will CNN bow to pressure from his campaign and change the rules again?

How about Jindal? That poor guy has been busy trying to capitalize in the 10th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina? Sort of unfair that he has to juggle that task while also worrying about the latest polls. Maybe his campaign ought to get a special dispensation from the rules so he is not forced to debate Pataki and Gilmore.

[Abe Linkon]

15. +1 Absolutely...

The initial CNN criteria was fair. It was the average over 2 months. Just b/c she peaked later doesn't mean she should get a better shot than someone who peaked earlier.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

18. That was dumb. 2 months is too long.

I would have went with 1 month. That would have probably included her and dropped fatso - which it should have. The only reason some of these fools made it is because they went back so far. You have to lean towards the current poll leaders, not who may have led 2 months ago.

[Abe Linkon]

20. Don't argue for the sake of arguing...

Don't be so foolish. An average of polls over 2 months wasn't that big a deal!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

21. I'm not. Maybe you are?

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

16. Well yer right about where yer going with it.

Where is line drawn, where does it end ? But don't under estimate CNN's deep pockets . They keep within their employ an army of lawyers and consultants . They will find a way to justify the end mean. As to Christie, well, they may even credit
Fiorina with Christie's drop off in the polls which hasn't yet happened but will happen ! But hay so what if they hand Fiorina some of that credit in her futile attempt to remain relevant.California handed Fiorina her walking papers but the truth is she isn't going anywhere and thats the point !

Christie's high hopes since he took the fall are all about latching on to coat tails ,you know a political appointment.
And he knows he has no chance of a Bush saving his tail again. ! Jindal, Pataki and Gilmore ! ???

So, CNN, ya well here is the thing- since Trump changed the game ,the media sees fit to revise the rules of debate.
It's about relevance !

If you think this thing is about Fiorina yer wrong , Sensationalism sells the goods, CNN is selling the public a bill of goods !
And of course to find out whats in the full package ,we must stay tuned ! OK so, it's a load of crap.

And what about Jeb, he too feels cheated !!!

[Vincardog]

10. I think she deserves to have her miserable tenure at HP exposed. She drove the company

Into the dirt. They fired her and paid money to make her go away.
She doesn't have the qualification to be elected Dog Catcher.

[JoePhilly]

11. Hold 4 four person debates. Then a final 4 person

Debate with the 4 winners.

Repeat the process each month until people start falling out.

[geek tragedy]

24. this is probably an improvement in methodology. There's a much stronger rationale for including

her than for Chris Christie.

[brooklynite]

25. Statement by CNN Change in Debate Criteria for the Republican debates

In May, we announced criteria for our September 16th Republican debates at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. We said that we would use the average of approved national polls from July 16th through September 10th to determine the makeup of the debates. At the time, we expected there to be many more national polls following the first Republican debate, in August, than there appears there will be.

In fact, in 2007 and 2011, there were 16 and 15 approved national polls in the comprable August-September time frame.

We learned this week that there will likely be only two more polls by the deadline of September 10th. This year, there have been only three such national polls released.

In a world where we expected there to be at least 15 national polls, based on historic precedent, it appears there will be only five.

As a result, we now believe we should adjust the criteria to ensure the next debate best reflects the most current state of the national race.

In the event that any candidate is polling in the top 10 in an average of approved national polls released between August 7th and September 10th, we will add those candidates to our top tier debate, even if those candidates did not poll in the top 10 in an average of approved national polls between July 16th and September 10th. We have discussed these changes with the Republican National Committee and the Reagan Library andt hey are fully supportive.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

26. So there it is, it's a load of crap but

it appears to make perfect sense. What it looks like is what counts, not what it really is. Sense worthy is relevant
to a cause. So what is it ? Or what is it really ? A traffic study did not seem to make perfect sense .