Veterans Used In Secret Experiments Sue Military For Answers

[bananas]

Source: NPR

American service members used in chemical and biological testing have some questions: What exactly were they exposed to? And how is it affecting their health?

Tens of thousands of troops were used in testing conducted by the U.S. military between 1922 and 1975. As one Army scientist explained, the military wanted to learn how to induce symptoms such as "fear, panic, hysteria, and hallucinations" in enemy soldiers. Recruitment was done on a volunteer basis, but the details of the testing and associated risks were often withheld from those who signed up.

Many of the veterans who served as test subjects have since died. But today, those who are still alive are part of a class action lawsuit against the Army. If they're successful, the Army will have to explain to anyone who was used in testing exactly what substances they were given and any known risks. The Army would also have to provide those veterans with health care for any illnesses that result, in whole or in part, from the testing.

The law firm representing the veterans estimates at least 70,000 troops were used in the testing, including World War II veterans exposed to mustard gas, whom NPR reported on earlier this summer.

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Read more: http://www.npr.org/2015/09/05/437555125/veterans-used-in-secret-experiments-sue-military-for-answers

[Mnemosyne]

1. If our gov/military had any honor, these vets would not need to sue. nt

[Demeter]

4. AMEN!

A whole lot of bad things wouldn't happen if this government had any ethical underpinnings...but they went out when the Gilded Age arrived, and haven't been seen since.

Perhaps President Sanders will bring us back to sanity and the original goals...

[Mnemosyne]

15. President Sanders is exactly what We the People need at this time in history. They are

master propagandists. Goebbels would be jealous.

Each veteran should receive a list of potential chemical agent exposures while owned by the MIC. It might wake some up more quickly.

I'm sure that will happen.

[Dont call me Shirley]

7. The military is all about killing, they have no honor.

[Mnemosyne]

14. Agree, but the word is paraded so calculatingly though, for the masses to dream. nt

[Dont call me Shirley]

17. Led through the twin mists of illusion and delusion.

[Live and Learn]

2. What a totally disgusting practice. nt

[Octafish]

3. National Security requires great sacrifice to be profitable.

Know Your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

[Demeter]

5. How do we know it stopped in 1975?

Are you going to take THEIR word for it?

[bananas]

6. Good question - this is probably based on the Church Committee and Rockefeller Committee.

The Church Committee final report was in 1976, so this may be based on that.

I just looked at wikipedia, it's entry on the Church Committee is fairly short and doesn't even mention human experimentation, just assassination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

The lengthy wikipedia entry on Unethical human experimentation in the United States does mention the Church Committee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

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Shutdown

MKULTRA activities continued until 1973 when CIA director Richard Helms, fearing that they would be exposed to the public, ordered the project terminated, and all of the files destroyed.[125] But, a clerical error had sent many of the documents to the wrong office, so when CIA workers were destroying the files, some of them remained. They were later released under a Freedom of Information Act request by investigative journalist John Marks. Many people in the American public were outraged when they learned of the experiments, and several congressional investigations took place, including the Church Committee and the Rockefeller Commission.

On April 26, 1976, the Church Committee of the United States Senate issued a report, Final Report of the Select Committee to Study Governmental Operation with Respect to Intelligence Activities,[137] In Book I, Chapter XVII, p. 389, this report states:

LSD was one the materials tested in the MKULTRA program. The final phase of LSD testing involved surreptitious administration to unwitting non-volunteer subjects in normal life settings by undercover officers of the Bureau of Narcotics acting for the CIA.

A special procedure, designated MKDELTA, was established to govern the use of MKULTRA materials abroad. Such materials were used on a number of occasions. Because MKULTRA records were destroyed, it is impossible to reconstruct the operational use of MKULTRA materials by the CIA overseas; it has been determined that the use of these materials abroad began in 1953, and possibly as early as 1950.[116][138][139][140][141]

Drugs were used primarily as an aid to interrogations, but MKULTRA/MKDELTA materials were also used for harassment, discrediting, or disabling purposes.[116][138][139][140][141]

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The wikipedia entry on the Rockefeller Commission is also short, this is most of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_President's_Commission_on_CIA_Activities_within_the_United_States

The United States President's Commission on CIA Activities within the United States was set up under President Gerald Ford in 1975 to investigate the activities of the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies within the United States. The commission was led by the Vice President, Nelson Rockefeller, and is sometimes referred to as the Rockefeller Commission.

The commission was created in response to a December 1974 report in The New York Times that the CIA had conducted illegal domestic activities, including experiments on U.S. citizens, during the 1960s. The commission issued a single report in 1975, touching upon certain CIA abuses including mail opening and surveillance of domestic dissident groups. It publicized Project MKULTRA, a CIA mind control study.

It also studied issues relating to the John F. Kennedy assassination, specifically the head snap as seen in the Zapruder film (first shown on television in 1975), and the possible presence of E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis in Dallas, Texas.[1]

A larger investigation, the Church Committee, was set up on 27 January 1975 by the U.S. Senate. The Nedzi Committee was created in the U.S. Congress on 19 February 1975. It was replaced by the Pike Committee five months later.

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[valerief]

8. The military gets at least 60% of discretionary federal tax money.

They've got plenty of loot to do whatever mad scientist shit they want.

[PosterChild]

9. Because the research was...

....voluntary. that's why we know about it in the first place. That, and the fact that it would be hard to conduct any sort of significant human research and keep it a secret from the subjects and others involved .

[Demeter]

11. There's no need to "volunteer"

When you enlist, you are a slave, and can be told to do anything...furthermore, things can be done to you (like Agent Orange, or the burning pits in the Middle East, or depleted uranium, or poisonous anthrax immunizations) that you are never even told about.

[PosterChild]

12. OK, but...

.... that's not what happened. What happened, according the article, was that they volunteered. They were informed (maybe not fully) about what was going on. So fears that it may be continuing are, imho, unfounded .

[Sunlei]

10. LSD video was one of the leaked files, those guys looked like they had a good time

[dembotoz]

13. but the mustard gas probably not so much

[JustAnotherGen]

16. Good for the soldiers

However (I saw agent orange mentioned above). . .

There is a rainbow of agents.

Many never 'volunteered' and were exposed to the entire rainbow in the 60's and 70's.

My father was one.

A few days before he died in AugustVy 2011 - cancer STILL was not showing up in his blood work. At this point his intestines were "melting".

A Veteran from his era doesn't have the luxury of waiting on a new President or Congress to help them when that agent of colors implodes.

Two rounds of pneumonia - severe. Then lung cancer. Three months later - gone. Just a few weeks after his 70th birthday - gone.

The Fed Gov acknowledge their wrong doing - and went back and paid my mom the full disability from 1978 to acknowledge the numerous out of pocket expenses they incurred for health care all of those years. We also have a very nice letter of acknowledgment of service from that *horrible human being* Obama. Yeah - this happened under as McCain called him "that one's" watch.


If your father or mother traveled on planes that had this residue on them, walked fields where it had been sprayed, or we're near the storage facilities - they are contaminated. They have a time bomb inside of them. And you don't have to sue or elect a hero - you have to be their hero and/or the spouse they leave behind and get allllllll up in the grill of the Veteran's Department.

Get loud. Do it now. Their bodies are melting - you just can't see it.

Regarding these folks who signed up - we also know that in our names . . . an entire village in France was tested on using LSD - they never signed up. What the hell did we do to these Americans? And we can't blame it on paper clip if it started in 1922.

That excuse or reason (Nazis post WW iI) can't be used.

We gotta own this and do right.