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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:29 PM May 2012

Priebus: Same-sex marriage isn't a civil rights issue

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN) – Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on Sunday said the Republican Party stands by dignity and respect for gay Americans, but that those sentiments do not change his opposition to same-sex marriage.

"People in this country, no matter straight or gay, deserve dignity and respect. However, that doesn't mean it carries on to marriage," Priebus said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Although Priebus said he supports equal rights for gay Americans, including fair treatment in the workplace and hospital visitations, he pushed back against the suggestion that same-sex marriage falls in the same "civil rights" category.

"I don't think it's a matter of civil rights. I think it's just a matter of whether or not we're going to adhere to something that's been historical and religious and legal in this country for many, many years," Priebus said. "I mean, marriage has to have a definition, and we just happen to believe it's between a man and woman."

He also sought to contrast Jim Crow laws, which enforced segregation, with bans on same-sex marriage, a comparison some have made following the president's announcement Wednesday that he now supports such unions.

"I think there's a big difference between people that have been murdered and everything else that has come with Jim Crow, than marriage between a man and man and a woman and a woman," he said.

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/13/priebus-same-sex-marriage-isnt-a-civil-rights-issue/

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Priebus: Same-sex marriage isn't a civil rights issue (Original Post) MindMover May 2012 OP
Or as a FReeper put it, "In the closet, or in the crosshairs." Faygo Kid May 2012 #1
Actually, Priebus, people have been murdered over this, too. NYC_SKP May 2012 #2
Useless caterpillar reply from a priebus-adolescent. tabatha May 2012 #3
"...and we just happen to believe..." Ilsa May 2012 #4
+1,000 freshwest May 2012 #8
He's on the wrong side of history and he'll live to see it. lunatica May 2012 #5
Civil Rights..... MindMover May 2012 #6
There you go raining on the GOP parade with facts again. freshwest May 2012 #7
I can't stand that sniveling little creep OKNancy May 2012 #9
Preibus is wrong NoMittens May 2012 #10
What the f**k? Iliyah May 2012 #11
Mathew Shepard... pinto May 2012 #12
He sounds like the kind of guy who would oppose whites marrying african americans. firehorse May 2012 #13
"We just happen to believe it's between a man and a woman........" secondwind May 2012 #14
I must respectfully disagree............. Swede Atlanta May 2012 #15
Reince Priebus has always had his finger on the pulse.... JohnnyRingo May 2012 #16
Priebus thinks birth control yellerpup May 2012 #17
Please explain why we had to change the law for interracial marriages then. sakabatou May 2012 #18
I never see his name without remembering what DU taught me about it: struggle4progress May 2012 #19
Dignity And Respect DallasNE May 2012 #20
Pathetic. BlueIris May 2012 #21
The GOP: a wart on the ass of humanity. blkmusclmachine May 2012 #22
Of course it is a civil right. BamaFanLee May 2012 #23
Can we please ship Rinse Peenus and the rest of the GOP to another land Jamaal510 May 2012 #24
I guess he never read the Declaration of Independance because if he had then cstanleytech May 2012 #25
Yep that's their take humbled_opinion May 2012 #26
Who is the "we" that truth2power May 2012 #27
He's ignoring 2 facts... Volaris May 2012 #28
I've heard the exact same arguments right here at DU ruggerson May 2012 #29
Hey Rinse Penis Politicalboi May 2012 #30

Faygo Kid

(21,477 posts)
1. Or as a FReeper put it, "In the closet, or in the crosshairs."
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:33 PM
May 2012

Let there be no doubt about what underlays the GOP's wink and a nod.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Actually, Priebus, people have been murdered over this, too.
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:34 PM
May 2012

And it most definitely is about civil rights.

Pathetic little man.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
4. "...and we just happen to believe..."
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:34 PM
May 2012

So what you believe is what everyone else has to live with, Reince? What if my neighbor believed that women couldn't own land? Does that mean I'd have to sell him my farm?

This has EVERYTHING to do with civil rights.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
6. Civil Rights.....
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:38 PM
May 2012

"Civil and political rights are a class of rights that protect individuals' freedom from unwarranted infringement by governments and private organizations, and ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression..

Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical integrity and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, national origin, age, status as a member of the uniformed services, sexual orientation, or gender identity;[1][2][3] and individual rights such as privacy, the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_and_political_rights

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
11. What the f**k?
Sun May 13, 2012, 01:03 PM
May 2012

Shit they said the same damn thing about blacks. Heck, blacks were not even considered human beings but property. Interracial marriage was considered against God's teachings.

These people are anti-civil rights. Heck look at what they are doing by taking about women's rights, voter rights, worker rights.

firehorse

(755 posts)
13. He sounds like the kind of guy who would oppose whites marrying african americans.
Sun May 13, 2012, 01:26 PM
May 2012

Of course its a civil liberties issue.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
14. "We just happen to believe it's between a man and a woman........"
Sun May 13, 2012, 01:27 PM
May 2012



AND MILLIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN "JUST HAPPEN" TO BE GAY, YOU MORON!!
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
15. I must respectfully disagree.............
Sun May 13, 2012, 01:29 PM
May 2012

As a gay man my priorities are in the following order:
(1) Eliminate discrimination in the workplace
(2) Eliminate discrimination in housing (really should be tied with #1)
(3) Enact legislation and policy actions to address bullying against LGBT and other targeted groups, especially among adolescents
(4) Enact legislation and policy actions to address crimes directed at LGBT persons
(5) Marriage equality

While I support marriage equality the items 1-4 on my list are much more important to the broader LGBT community. Marriage equality is important all of us but only directly to those in committed relationships that are ready to take that next step.

Again, I am a full supporter of marriage equality but I think there are things with higher priority that seem to be missing from the public discourse.

JohnnyRingo

(18,618 posts)
16. Reince Priebus has always had his finger on the pulse....
Sun May 13, 2012, 01:32 PM
May 2012

of his bigoted voter base.

Ever the spokesman, he doesn't open his mouth without polling the Tea Party first. Priebus isn't a statesman, he's a walking talking mirror for the wack-a-doodle right wing of the party.

What a coincidence his name sounds like a star witness in the Nuremberg trials.

struggle4progress

(118,224 posts)
19. I never see his name without remembering what DU taught me about it:
Sun May 13, 2012, 02:38 PM
May 2012

drop the vowels and it's RNC PR BS

We should just call him that: RNC PR BS

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
20. Dignity And Respect
Sun May 13, 2012, 03:16 PM
May 2012

Begins with equal treatment under the law. They don't exist in some parallel universe as Priebus contends here. Apparently Priebus hasn't heard of the Shepard case in Wyoming otherwise he wouldn't have said some of the completely stupid things he said. And why didn't Gregory call him out on his complete distortion of fact. Oh, that's right. Gregory is the keynote speaker at a Republican event. It's all starting to come together now. Both Fox and NBC "news" divisions are official Republican mouthpieces.

 

BamaFanLee

(64 posts)
23. Of course it is a civil right.
Sun May 13, 2012, 07:17 PM
May 2012

IMO, even voting against gay marriage is a hate crime. Keeping someone from exercising their civil rights for reasons of bigotry is a hate crime, and those who commit it should be led away in handcuffs.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
24. Can we please ship Rinse Peenus and the rest of the GOP to another land
Sun May 13, 2012, 07:20 PM
May 2012

so they can stop standing in the way between our country and fairness? None of their regressive policies have contributed anything beneficial to society, so why are they still relevant?

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
25. I guess he never read the Declaration of Independance because if he had then
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:34 PM
May 2012

he might have recalled this

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
26. Yep that's their take
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:39 PM
May 2012

I discuss this with the Teaheads where I work and I even bring up that their hero Cheney has the same position that Obama has evolved too....

They claim to equate this issue with civil rights is nonsense because a persons sexuality is not an immediately apparent trait. Imposing the views of the gay people on the straight people by allowing them to redefine traditional marriage is the sticky wicket with them. The action of the couple to try and get married is what brings the question into play. Everyone of the ones I talk to claim they support legal unions and full legal authority as is given to spouses with marriage, they don't see why for gay people this isn't good enough, but what they will refuse to do is change the definition of what their idea of their marriage is and that is one man and one woman.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
28. He's ignoring 2 facts...
Sun May 13, 2012, 09:05 PM
May 2012

Marriage as an an institution has been a LEGAL one longer than it has been a Christian Spiritual (Sacramental) one; second, the idea that AS a Sacrament this is about procreation, is defied by the fact that there are societal and secular benefits (rather than just Church benefits) that re-down to those who ARE married, even IF that couple is, for whatever reason, incapable of producing offspring.

They would be so much easier for me to put up with if they AT LEAST started using arguments that actually supported their position, rather than one's that help destroy it. At least the one's who say they believe that this is about God (and America as God's Most Favored Nation) really believe they don't have to work at this kind of thing and are, therefore, considered to be religiously nuts, easily dismissed, and don't get to go on national television...This poor bastard isn't allowed to say it, so he gets to keep shooting himself in the foot.

Too bad for him, I guess =)

The above poster is correct, though...the Times they are a'changing, and they WILL live to see it happen.

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