Bernie Sanders Takes the Lead in Iowa Poll

[Omaha Steve]

Source: Time

Sam Frizell

Bernie Sanders has taken a narrow lead over Hillary Clinton in Iowa more than four months before the state’s caucus, according to a poll released Thursday.

The Vermont senator is favorite among 41% of Iowa likely Democratic particpaints, compared with 40% supporting the former Secretary of State, according to a Quinnipiac poll released Thursday. That marks a major reversal from early July, when Clinton was ahead of Sanders, 52% to 33%.

Sanders, an anti-establishment candidate who has made economic inequality the rallying cry of his campaign, has surged in polls throughout the summer, benefiting from discontent among Democratic voters. Clinton, meanwhile, has suffered as a result of the controversy over her private email server.

“Sanders has seized the momentum by offering a message more in line with disproportionately liberal primary and caucus voters,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll. “He is the candidate of the Democratic left, against his own party’s bosses and their prized presidential candidate, Secretary Hillary Clinton.”

FULL story at link.


Kayana Szymczak—Getty Images
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders greets supporters at the Labor Day Parade on September 7, 2015, in Milford, New Hampshire.

Read more: http://time.com/4028812/bernie-sanders-iowa-poll/

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He's also ahead in New Hampshire

[pnwmom]

1. That is a TIE, not a lead. But good for him. He's made it into a real contest.

When there is a difference between two candidates of less than the margin of error, all that can be said is that they are TIED. In other words, if another sample of the same number of voters had been taken from the same population, it could have have just as easily yielded the opposite result.

It was irresponsible for TIME to report the results with that lede. Most reputable polling organizations are careful not to make claims that can't be supported by their data.

They did mention the margin of error but many of their readers probably don't understand the significance. And, despite what they said, it is NOT a "lead" if it is within the margin of error. It is a difference with no statistical significance.

Polls in the early states are notoriously poor predictors of the primary contests, and Sanders’ lead over Clinton is well with in the Quinnipiac Poll’s 3.4% margin of error.

P.S.

Comparing polls that contain Sen. Biden to polls that do not is comparing apples and oranges, so they can't be used to track Clinton's or Sanders's popularity. No one knows for sure how it will affect the race if Sen. Biden drops out -- but it will have a significant affect.

[Tea Potty]

21. The trend is clear- Hillary is tanking

Its all downhill from here for the lying Shill.

[LovingA2andMI]

38. And They All Fall Down....

The Establishment, Powers That Be Beholders that is....

And many, many others #FeelTheBern #FeelItDamnIt!

Go Bernie Go!

[thereismore]

62. "lying Shill" sounds unnecessarily hateful. And I am a Bernie supporter. nt

[chknltl]

78. "lying Shill"???

How on earth can I face my DU chums who currently support Hillary and say to them that these kind of posts from fellow Bernie supporters don't exist? These hate-filled posts only drive a wedge, not between the poster and the candidate but between DUers. Please don't continue being part of the problem, reconsider and become part of the solution. Let us not drive fellow DUers away with our hate filled posts, let us instead find ways to get through this primary season losing as few fellow DUers as possible this time.

[marym625]

48. 41% to 40%

Not a tie. Sanders takes the lead.

Biden isn't running.

[Bubzer]

53. A 3.4% margin of error makes it a virtual tie... but this is still really good news!

There were a lot of claims he would never get this far. This is progress!

[Left Coast2020]

93. Astonishing sounds better than momentum.

FEEL THE BERN

[Bubzer]

97. +1

[LongTomH]

56. It's called Momentum........and Bernie's got it!!!

[pnwmom]

59. This is a POLL. In a POLL, it is a TIE if it is within the margin of error -- 3.4% for this poll.

Why? Because a poll only samples a small subset of a population. Based on the size of the sample they used, there is a 95% chance that the actual results -- that is, reflecting the opinions of the WHOLE population and not just the tiny subset sampled -- fall somewhere within the 3.4% margin of error.

Thus, a candidate with a 40% in the small sample could have real support in the overall population as high as 43.4%

A candidate with 41% in the sampled group could have real support as low as 37.6.

The two candidates have an overlapping margin of error, so an ethical pollster/reporter will say they are tied.

[thereismore]

63. It's a lead in a poll. nt

[pnwmom]

75. No, it isn't. It's a statistical tie in this statistical poll.

No reputable pollster would call a result within the margin of error a "lead."

[questionseverything]

84. headline should be...hillary loses 20 point lead

That marks a major reversal from early July, when Clinton was ahead of Sanders, 52% to 33%. ...from the article

[pnwmom]

85. And that would be true. n/t

[thereismore]

87. It's a nominal lead, which is statistically insignificant.

That's a fair statement. A statistical tie is also fair.

[bvar22]

72. This far out, the numbersare meaningless in themselves.

It is the TREND that is important,
and that is what the pros are watching.

What is the "trend" in Iowa?

[pnwmom]

76. Right. And that's why this is especially good news for Bernie.

People don't have to exaggerate it into a lead when it isn't. If the next poll shows him down by 2 points, then he would have lost that fake lead. When, in reality, they are tied now, and they would still be tied if she was at 42 and he was at 40.

[cascadiance]

64. Technically a lead... Could be considered a tie...

... for those who look at margin of error. But I think the case can be made that with Bernie trending upward, if another poll were taken later, it is probably more likely that he would be growing his lead, since his trend is the one that is growing and not shrinking like Hillary's share is.

So, I don't think the media can be faulted for saying he's in the lead. He is technically slightly in the lead with the results of this poll.

[pnwmom]

68. "Technically" it is NOT a lead. In a poll that relies on statistical science, this is a tie.

Polls are accurate only insofar as a small sample can predict the results of a much larger overall population.

This poll has a 3.4% margin of error, which means Hillary's 40% could reflect a true value as high as 43.4 percent in the overall population. And Bernie's 41% could actually be as low as 37.6% in the overall population. Their margins of error overlap, so their race is at this point "too close to call." In other words, tied.

[cascadiance]

69. NO! Technically, in NUMBER OF VOTES COUNTED, a lead is a lead!!

I've already said in that post that I think that as far as it representing reality on whether Bernie is "ahead" or not by how that poll projects on to the population itself, then yes, it statistically is a tie then, as I also said in my previous post. It really depends on what you are "technically" looking at. I was saying that "technically" meant the number of votes they counted in that poll. You are really arguing semantics here when I don't think there is a point of disagreement.

My point in the previous post though was that if you are looking at trends, and how they factor in to what is being shown now, and what likely will show if they do a poll in the future, it will more likely show that Bernie is ahead then, since his trends are showing that he's growing in strength compared to her losing strength. You aren't addressing that concern though, and therefore aren't really responding to the substance of my post.

[pnwmom]

70. This is not a vote. This is a POLL. It is just a SAMPLE of the voting population,

not the voting population itself. So "technically"-- in the statistical world of this poll -- neither candidate is in the lead.

As I said in the first place, Bernie has made great strides. But there's no need to exaggerate this into a lead. The media loves to do this because otherwise they won't have a story for months, as the difference hovers within the margin of error. But we don't have to fall for it.

They have been tied for some time and they're still tied. He could still pull ahead but he hasn't so far.

[cascadiance]

73. You again are dealing with semantics...

A "choice" in a poll could be considered a "vote", even if it isn't a "vote" in an election.

And as I said and I will say AGAIN, I DID AGREE WITH YOU that in the statistical world that the margin of lead in the counts measured aren't larger than the statistical margin of error. But it IS NOT LYING to say that the count had Bernie ahead, even if the statistical relevance to what it represents in the count of supporters at this point can't have a conclusion on who's really ahead, and therefore statistically some would say it is a "tie" in the sense that this poll can't forecast what a vote taken TODAY would give us.

But as some would also say in statistics too, that statistical trends don't come to a big halt, when there is no reason at this point statistically or otherwise for one to expect Bernie's growth in support trend to stop, so one could also statistically conclude that Bernie's LIKELY to show growth to the point that he will have a statistical lead in the future too, and one would have more of a statistical basis for saying that too, based on mathematical trends, then arguing that suddenly Bernie has "peaked" and has his support leveling off or dropping.

He has pulled into a tie at this point, that some would argue could show a lead, though not statistically firm in that case yet, even with showing a "technical" (in terms of number of "choices" counted in this poll) lead with this poll. I would argue that it is more *likely* statistically that he will pull in to the lead in a subsequent poll given current trends.

[pnwmom]

86. No, I'm dealing with the science of statistics connected with polling a sample

out of a much larger population.

I didn't say that you were lying. I said that the term "lead" that was used in the TIME article and then repeated was wrong, given the margin of error.

I think it is pointless to call a 1% difference a lead, and not helpful to either candidate, because the very same poll taken tomorrow could reverse the numbers. Suddenly Bernie would have been said to have lost his "lead" -- which would be ridiculous, because he didn't have it in the first place. The media loves the horserace, so they'll hype these small daily differences in poll results, because otherwise they'd be reduced to saying: They're tied. They're still tied. They're still within the margin of error, etc. It is more fun for the media to pretend that one of them is in the lead. But it just isn't true, according to this poll. They're neck and neck.

[cascadiance]

88. It would be a lie to say that he didn't lead in the number of the choices for Bernie they counted...

... versus Hillary. Yes, you are saying that the statistical relevance (which doesn't indicate a strong lead, but an undetermined lead) should be more "marketed" as the title of this story rather than the statistical count that showed Bernie in the lead. That was a choice of the author's and I understand Hillary would rather have the title emphasize more that it was statistical relevance show that it was statistically not showing a "firm statistical lead", even if their survey showed a count lead for Bernie.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you, when measuring relevance of this poll to today's situation. I think we are both right.

BUT, if you are trying to look beyond just the raw counts of this poll, and do statistical relevance as what should be looked at, my contention is just as relevant that the current poll doesn't show a clear lead by either candidate, one could also note that statistical relevance would show that trend analysis would indicate that Bernie is more likely to have a firm statistical lead in the future than Hillary would, because statistical trends show his vote share growing and hers shrinking, and no significant outside event that would change those trends is present at this point.

I would argue that once the debates happen, I think support for Bernie, who has less money advertising support might actually grow at a greater pace than before too. That's a conjecture on my part, but he would get more public exposure through that additional exposure than perhaps he's getting now too. Many who are on the inside note that DWS is arguably limiting the number of debates to limit their effect helping Bernie more that they are likely to do when they happen. If they helped Hillary Clinton, then I would think that we'd have a lot more scheduled and some already happening by now.

[pnwmom]

91. But having a 1% higher number in the sample count doesn't mean that that person has

a lead in the general population -- and isn't that what people want to know? How the small sample of the larger population reflects the larger population? Who cares what 500 random people think if they don't reflect the state's voters?

There is NO lead in this poll -- not a weak or an undetermined lead. There is ONLY a tie. And if the results flip flop tomorrow, that won't mean that Bernie lost any ground. It will mean they are still tied.

You are right that the trend has been very favorable for Bernie. But nobody knows what will happen when Biden makes a decision. With him suddenly in or out of the race, all the old polls and tracking will be instantly less relevant.

I just don't think people should get so wrapped up in tiny, non-signifiant differences in polls this far out from the election.

[Fuddnik]

67. Da Nile ain't just a river anymore.

Please Hillary, just go away already.

FEEL THE BERN!!!!!

[tomm2thumbs]

96. but this is easier

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Bernie is now 11 points ahead in New Hampshire, just about to break the 50% mark ... according to NBC News/Marist Poll (noted by Chris Hayes in interview with Bernie on Sept 10)

WOW!

[Ed Suspicious]

74. Yes, but get real, If Clinton were one point ahead of Bernie in the same poll, Clinton supporters

would cling to that lead for dear life.

[CountAllVotes]

2. Go Bernie Sanders GO!!!

A lead is a lead even if by ONE POINT!

Feel The BERN!!! !!!

[turbinetree]

3. I think also that DWS and the DNC..............................

should be having more debates, a lot more debates, both Sanders and O'Malley and the majority of the public want more debates within our party, we need to get the message out on why this party especially Sanders should be the president, its has been about the ISSUES.
The ISSUES of our beliefs, wages, health care, social security, medicare, infrastructure jobs, U.S. Supreme Court, Medicaid, education, climate, trade policies.
Yes, DWS we want more debates, that's what wins elections.
And what is striking is how the grassroots money of Bernie is overtaking Clinton, this should be a wake-call to all in the field



Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. Debates are like free ad time.

WHat is wrong with her?

[reddread]

5. you nailed it

free ad time is the last thing a money contest desires.

[turbinetree]

9. The networks, PBS, Cable and even the fix noise propaganda .........................

oligarchy must give air time to the candidates, the operating licenses state this, that everyone running for a seat must be given access and that there be a means to have these debates---------------they can't say no------------it's that simple.

DWS and DNC seems to have forgotten this free PR time-------------------------why?, why? why?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every night on MSM, all we hear about is the right wing clown car, who's ahead there, who's looks like c***p, so what, and how the herding cats mentality from the MSM, to give the right wing clowns traction on there hate and fear, so what , we want ISSUES, not cats herding MSM, ISSUES< ISSUES, and how and what is going to be done.

DWS and the DNC, you are suppose to control the narrative to win, by having the debates, to give US the democratic voter the means to WIN.

Show us the democratic voter, because it is us the voter who are entitled to this right


Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[jwirr]

30. Oh, TPTB get around that very easily. I have seen them

introduce a topic with a small reference to "Bernie Sanders who is doing quite well.......is challenging Hillary and so on."

They never have him on personally anymore and they totally fail to discuss where he stands on issues.

They always tell us that Bernie will not be able to do anything if he gets in. Oh, yes he will - in many cases all that is needed is to appoint new heads of programs and enforce the laws.

[merrily]

10. Democracy phobic.

[CountAllVotes]

6. *HONK*

[cantbeserious]

7. Excellent News - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[pinebox]

8. Not shocked

People are sick and tired of establishment puppet candidates. It was a driving factor of getting Obama elected who was a very fresh face. Sanders is no different and brings a fresh voice and new ideas to a weary American public.
If I was Hillary I'd begin to worry a great deal & rightfully so.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

77. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

Welcome to DU.

[daleanime]

11. I don't care what the Polls say......

I'm going to keep working my tail off until Bernie sitting in the Oval Office.


Then it will be time for the real fight.

[jwirr]

31. Absolutely. We are part of this campaign and we should

not let up until we have accomplished all of the goals. The full political revolution. As Bernie tell us he cannot do it alone.

[Bubzer]

54. +1

[Eric J in MN]

12. The poll includes VP Biden who hasn't announced he's running.

Biden and Hillary Clinton may split the centrist vote if he runs.

[davidpdx]

18. Yes, it does include Biden.

I think Biden is going to reluctantly announce he's not running. He may want to, but his heart is just not in it. Once that happens then we'll have to wait for new polls to see where things stand without him included.

[SmittynMo]

25. I didn't hear Biden say

Hilliary is doing one hell of a job. I think Joe will back Bernie. And rightfully so.

[jeff47]

34. So did the earlier polls showing Clinton had a large lead. (nt)

[think]

13. Bernie's message resonates...... /nt

[tomm2thumbs]

14. "major reversal"

I think he served in the Obama Army...

[WI_DEM]

15. No doubt about it--Bernie is coming on strong in Iowa and New Hampshire.

[SmittynMo]

16. Maybe it's me

But don't debates and democracy go hand in hand? Especially when a presidential election is on the line!!! DWS and the DNC have been a huge disappointment to me, and the country.

[jwirr]

32. It is not just you. The exclusivity rule is vey undemocratic

as well as unDemocratic. But TPTB think we are too stupid to catch on to that.

This election the people are catching on to a lot of things. Got to thank President Obama for the TPP fight - that woke a lot of sleepers.

[Indepatriot]

17. CLINTON=WALL ST. SANDERS=MAIN ST.

[PatrickforO]

19. "...a message more in line with disproportionately liberal primary and caucus voters."

"He is the candidate of the Democratic left..."

Time gives us a message more in line with the wishes of its corporate owners. A disingenuous, distorted message designed to scare 'moderate' voters. The objective: Bernie doesn't win the general election because the corporate overlords do not want him in office.

But, they seem to be conceding he'll take the primary.

[jwirr]

33. Benefitting from discontented voters. I am a proud

discontented follower. And then they go on to state that Hillary is only having trouble because of the email problem.

I wonder if they truly believe these things?

[Peace Patriot]

46. Thanks for pointing out the corporate spin in the news article!

What crap they are flinging at us in this article! It stinks to high heaven!

"He is the candidate of the Democratic left..."

In truth, he is the candidate of the POOR MAJORITY, and that IS the issue! But they want to bury this issue in the manufactured 'email scandal'--a non-issue that the poor majority couldn't give a !@#$ about.

But, more than this, their use of the phrase "candidate of the Democratic left" is an ACCUSATION. The implication is that he is a "commie" and that good, red-blooded Americans won't support a "commie."

Ya know, FDR had good reason to say "the rich hate me--and I welcome their hatred." They tried to do the same thing to him.

The corporate news moguls hate Bernie Sanders. They are setting up his loss to a dangerous lout like Trump, or an even more dangerous lout like Jeb, which can--and likely will--be accomplished using the corporate-run, 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines. That is the most important difference between then and now. Then, the rich had their Faux news organs, which the poor majority can and did ignore; now, the rich have control of the very tabulation of our votes. The thieves are locked into power. It MIGHT be possible to overcome this disadvantage by a truly overwhelming turnout for Sanders in the general election. I'm not saying it can't be done. But it is a much higher mountain than the New Deal voters had to climb.

And, in addition, there is this twisted, twisted, twisted corporate spin, from every corporate news outlet, including TV broadcast media that is so useful for washing brains. I've had a theory for some time that the human brain does NOT like to be 'washed,' and will, eventually, rebel. That rebellion may be in progress. When people hear Bernie Sanders' honest, straightforward, clear and simple statements about the vicious unfairness of our economic and political system--cutting through all the crap, rising way above all the spin--their rebellion against the brainwashing that they have been subjected to, may kick in, at long last. If that happens, no amount of corporate control of the vote tabulation is going to help the 1%.

[I hate liars]

61. Exactly the word that stuck out for me!

Bernie represents the center, not the "left", contrary to the incessant media propaganda we hear about his "socialism".

The Democratic party is dominated by center-right pols who would be at home with conservative Republicans 30 years ago.

With Bernie, the Democratic party finally gets a candidate who's squarely in the center of American values and opinion. Witness the numerous GOP voters who have responded positively to his message.

[TacoD]

20. I was one of the 832 likely Democratic caucus-goers polled in this poll

As I posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027134483

I'm proud to have helped put Bernie over Hillary!

Here is the official Quinnipiac poll results page: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=227

[Robbins]

23. Without Biden-Hillary 47% Bernie 44%

so it's not given she will win Iowa if Biden declines to run.

Bernie is ahead of where Obama was at this time In 2007.

Yep Iowa is a dead heat with or without Biden but momenturm is clearly with Benrie not Hillary.

If Biden gets In that will be sign establishment is cutting loses with Hillary to try to keep Bernie from nomination.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. True, but the headlines help keep building the momentum.

Even using the 41 to 40 number, margin of error might have her winning now, but the more people who see him 'leading' in the early states, the more likely others are to learn more about him and to switch, both in those states and others.

[Robbins]

35. With or without Biden this is terrable for her

many dismissed bernie winning iowa and said he is only winning NH since it's right next door to Vermont.this kills the memo.

The momenturm is with bernie not hillary.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

36. I think I must have misread your last comment, because I'm in full agreement with this one.

I indeed meant this was good for Bernie, not Hillary in my comment.

[Feeling the Bern]

22. Bernie "f'in" Sanders! The next president of the United States!

[SmittynMo]

24. I'm in n/t

[closeupready]

27. Me, too!

K&R

[d_legendary1]

26. Apparently the HRC crowd don't like it

All 10 of them.

[6chars]

28. oh

[SoapBox]

37. And just wait for that "firewall" to crumble...

in the South, when he starts hitting it hard with rallies.

Go Bernie! Go Berners!

[Robbins]

41. Yep

He is increasing staff In SC.

I have always said Bernie wins iowa and NH and her lead collopses like house of cards.2008 proved this.Obama winning Iowa
changed the game.

And i can remember Bill Clinton dismissing SC because Jesse Jackson won primary there in 1984 and 1988.

[still_one]

39. 30% in this poll indicated they would not vote for a candidate who supports abortion

I find that very troubling since, since every Democratic nominee supports the right to choose, and that implies that 30% of those polled will not support the Democratic nominee

Other questions in the poll that were interesting are the following:

Who would you say has the right kind of temperament and personality to handle an international crisis as president, or not?

Bernie 65%
Hillary 89%
Biden 81%

Who would you say has strong leadership qualities or not?

Hillary 92%
Bernie 76%
Biden 81%

Who would you say is honest and trustworthy or not?

Bernie 86%
Biden 91%
Hillary 64%

Who would you say cares about the needs and problems of people like you or not?

Hillary 78%
Bernie 82%
Biden 85%

If you had to choose, which type of experience do you think would better help a candidate serve effectively as president; someone who has experience in Washington or someone who is a Washington outsider?

DC experience 69%
DC outsider 23%
don’t know 8%

Would you rather have a presidential candidate whose political experience was mostly outside of Washington or mostly in the government in Washington?

Outside Washington 33%
In Washington 54%
don’t know 13%

If you agreed with a presidential candidate on other issues, but not on the issue of abortion, do you think you could still vote for that candidate or not?

Yes 66%
No 30%


Do you support or oppose the nuclear deal with Iran?

Support 66%
Oppose 19%
don’t know 15%

Do you think the nuclear deal with Iran would make the world safer or less safe?

Safer 68%
Less Safe 17%
don’t know 14%

ould you support or oppose the U.S. sending ground troops to fight ISIS in Iraq and Syria?

Support 37%
Oppose 57%
don’t know 6%

[geek tragedy]

40. I think you may be reading that question incorrectly.

If you agreed with a presidential candidate on other issues, but not on the issue of abortion, do you think you could still vote for that candidate or not?

Yes 66%
No 30%

I would suspect most, if not all, of those 30% are pro-choice.

[still_one]

43. You might be right, but it also indicates that 30% are single issue voters, and that is kind of bad

I think

[geek tragedy]

44. Not really, it shows that the base has certain red lines that can't be crossed

An anti-choice nominee is out of the question and has been for quite some time, so this isn't really news

[still_one]

47. you're right.

[Mr. Evil]

82. Single issue voters tend to be christian fundamentalists.

They are notorious for voting against their own best interests and for republicans. Even worse they are mainly responsible for the tea-publican politicians that give them a steady dose of what Christian fundamentalists love most... fear. The fundies also do one thing well. They all vote. Why else do you think we have gems in congress like Louie Gohmert and Steve King.

WE MUST VOTE!

[still_one]

83. you have no argument from me

[sorechasm]

49. 66% Support the nuclear deal with Iran

Probably because they found out that Cheney was against it.

[still_one]

50. The majority of the populous was initially for it until the media started to give an unfettered

access to republican talking points, distorting and misrepresenting the deal, and not asking the questions of those criticizing it, that they should have.

[stillwaiting]

57. Just another day in Paradise.

Edited to add:

Juries be punishing these days...

[PassingFair]

42. The turd way must be FREAKING OUT!

Happy Day!

[pa28]

51. It's happening. Oh yes it is.

[appalachiablue]

52. Go Bernie! Time for a political revolution. Shame on DWS and the undemocratic DNC.

~ If there must be trouble, let it be in my time, that my child may have peace. ~ Thomas Paine.

[840high]

55. ...+1

[rhett o rick]

58. Agree. nm

[Jester Messiah]

60. Looks like a Bern Notice just went out on Hillary!

Maybe she could be Bernie's veep?

[Lychee2]

65. If, for some reason, Biden replaced Hillary, how would he do against Bernie?

Straight question. I just want some opinions on this.

[leftofcool]

71. beat him by double digits just like Hillary is nationally.

[MisterP]

90. the polls have Bernie a little ahead, but rather ahead if it's Sanders v Biden v Clinton

[Babel_17]

66. These are heady times ... a candidate speaking up for the 99%

... my primary vote being fought over, and with a chance to say "No!" to the corrupting influence of the 1%'s money.

[WillyT]

80. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[madokie]

81. President Bernie Sanders

sounds so good. Kind of just rolls off the tongue so naturally.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

89. Meanwhile the media is talking about Jeb! like he's the "sensible choice",....

....when he's the one who's got all of the Neocons as foreign policy advisers.

[NuttyFluffers]

92. good for him! and congrats on the ground-game workers there!

the power of talking and sharing ideas.

[bernmobile2016]

94. Im sorry....

Hillary who? LOL. My own mother.. a Clinton lover since 1992 told me over the weekend she is voting for Bernie. She didnt vote for President Obama in 08 (Hillary in the primary) or 12, but this time she will vote in the primary for Bernie Sanders. I asked her what about any of the GOP candidates. She told me... "There may be one or two with good ideas but their party is so full of hate and intolerance I could not support that ideology" She doesn't agree with the majority of Bernie's ideas but she said she is so impressed with the way he wont talk down to anyone, even Hillary and how he actually talks about the issues. My Dad though..is going to be a tougher sell.. but he is slowly coming around... so with me and my mom.. one conservative and one liberal with two Bernie votes.

[Uncle Joe]

95. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Omaha Steve.

[Major Hogwash]

98. And this is just the start!

And that is something Clinton's campaign must be keenly aware of since this is how the downslide started the last time.

[Betty Karlson]

99. Bless him: this man is potentially in a position for a generational reallignment.

You know, those once in a generation voting blocks' shifting to another party? Like when the "Reagan Democrats" became GOP inclined? Like when the Southern strategy brought a whole lot of Democrats to the GOP? This is our chance to shift the political landscape: an just for once, not toward but away from the GOP.