Hungary PM slams migrant 'rebellion', U.N. warns of millions more refugees

[Little Tich]

Source: Yahoo! News / Reuters

BUDAPEST/GENEVA (Reuters) - Hungary's prime minister angrily accused illegal migrants on Friday of "rebelling" against the rule of law in his country as security forces across Europe struggled to control record flows of hungry, scared refugees.

The United Nations called for the swift creation of large-scale reception centers in frontline states such as Hungary and Greece, and one U.N. agency warned that millions more refugees could arrive in Europe if Syria's civil war continues to rage.

Many of the tens of thousands of refugees now trekking from Greece via the Balkans and Hungary towards western Europe are fleeing the Syrian war in search of sanctuary, above all in more welcoming and generous countries such as Germany and Sweden.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said his country, which expects to take in 800,000 asylum seekers this year alone, had finite resources and urged other European countries to do much more to share the burden.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/migrants-undeterred-balkan-storms-hungarian-clampdown-141359114.html

[msongs]

1. now that russia is butting in it can take a few million - its birth rate is plummeting anyway nt

[Kotya]

2. Syrians don't want to go to Russia.

They want to go to Germany, England and Sweden.

Anyhow, Russia is already dealing with 750,000 refugees from Eastern Ukraine.

[coyote]

15. That's right...

Which brings up the question whether these people are really refugees escaping a brutal regime or economic refugees. If they cross 10 countries just to get to Germany, then what are they really try to escape.

[PSPS]

3. Imagine what a game changer it would be if Israel allowed them in.

[JDPriestly]

4. Don't forget. Israel was created because there were so many Jewish and East European

and other refugees after WWII that there was no place and no country for all of them.

I am of the generation that started school in the years after the war. My classes had many refugee children in them.

Israel was created to accept refugees from the Holocaust including many orphans.

So Israel is a refugee haven. In fact, that is what so many people criticize it for. Many critiques of Israel argue that Israelis came in and took land and political authority that should have remained in the hands of the Palestinians.

That's what refugees do. They leave a country in which they have lived perhaps for centuries and in large numbers move to countries that are already "owned" by other people.

Now we have people from the Middle East moving into land that has traditionally belonged to Europeans. They will establish their own communities, elect leaders from their culture, etc.

That's what refugees are about.

[Comrade Grumpy]

5. Orban has certainly shown himself to be a fascist ass of the highest order.

He wants to criminalize these refugees, and he won't even call them refugees. Instead, they're "illegal immigrants."

The East Europeans are really showing their colors on this.

[christx30]

6. I've head some stories that the refugees

haven't exactly been endearing themselves to the local politicians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3227436/Syrian-refugees-turned-Lesbos-war-zone-residents-claim-migrants-chant-f-Hungarian-police-amid-fears-ISIS-using-crisis-enter-Europe.html

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/refugee-migrant-greece-island-lesbos-1.3218147

[Comrade Grumpy]

7. All they want to do is be on their way to Germany. Hungary needs to let them pass.

I think I might get a bit testy, too, if I've fled my war-ravaged homeland, survived a perilous sea crossing, got Germans waiting to let me in, and I end up in a concentration camp thanks to some Eurofascist.

[christx30]

8. If you're a guest in another country,

you abide by their laws. You be polite. You don't scream at it's inhabitants or their authorities.

[Comrade Grumpy]

9. I'm sorry, what the Hungarians are doing is indefensible.

When there is a mass refugee crisis going on and when other European countries have agreed to take those refugees and when those refugees want only to get to their destinations, Hungry treats them like criminals. You do realize the nature of the government you're defending, don't you?

[christx30]

18. Of course it's defensible. The defense is

You got 10,000 people going across a small, not-so-wealthy country, you have the right to protect your people. It's the Hungarians country. They have the right to do what they think is best for their people.
ISIS members have been found among the refugees. Who's to say there isn't more? If you don't want to deal with the Hungarians, don't go through Hungary. But if you do go through there, you abide by their laws, show respect toward their people and customs. You don't scream at officials. No reason they can't just pack your ass back to Syria.

[branford]

12. Actual refugees are not entitled to choose the destination country.

The demands that Hungary simply let people pass through their sovereign country, without addressing Hungary's legitimate legal, social and political concerns, do nothing but increase anti-migrant sentiment, both in Hungary and the rest of the EU and elsewhere, and make the already difficult task of finding solutions all the more difficult.

The leadership in Hungary might be reactionary and uncaring, but that does not mean some of their objections are invalid or lack legal merit, or that they do not have significant democratic popular support within the country and among the leadership and populations of other European countries.

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. The reality is that hundreds of thousands are on the move. Europe needs to deal with it.

Humanely, I hope.

Germany has given them a green light. Let them get there.

[branford]

14. I have no objection to actual refugees reaching Germany, if Germany agrees to accept them,

and of course hope the entire situation is handled humanely.

That is precisely why Hungary's legitimate legal and political concerns must be acknowledged and addressed. Trite demands that "Europe deal with it," not only don't solve the problem, it makes the politics of any solution all the more difficult.

[pampango]

16. Here's proof of that: "Hungary’s prime minister becomes Europe’s Donald Trump"

Hungary’s maverick Prime Minister Viktor Orban is emerging as the straight-talking voice of right-wing Europe, vowing to block a wave of desperate refugees from seeking sanctuary in the region. Continuing a string of blunt statements of a sort rarely heard from heads of state on this side of the Atlantic, he warned Friday that Europeans now stand to become “a minority in our own continent” if the floodgates are not immediately closed.

Trump dreams of building a wall to keep migrants out. But Orban, 52, has actually done it — erecting 109 miles of razor wire to stop them. Authorities in Hungary, a key transit nation for ­asylum-seekers aiming for generous European nations offering shelter, including Germany and Sweden, have been preventing them from moving on and shuttling them to camps, in part to dissuade more from coming. Under international pressure Friday, Hungary agreed to bus some of the blockaded asylum-seekers to Austria. But it remained unclear whether the Austrians would accept them and what would happen to the thousands of refugees stuck in Hungarian camps.

Orban’s political party, meanwhile, has put up billboards in the Art Nouveau streets of Budapest warning migrants — almost none of whom want to stay in Hungary — not to “take our jobs.” On Friday, Hungary’s parliament passed emergency anti-migration laws in response to the crisis, slapping on three-year jail terms for crossing the new fence and authorizing the army to help process migrants in registration camps.

It is just another day for a man known by his critics as the Viktator — an authoritarian nationalist who has menaced his enemies and enraptured supporters with a polarizing panache. A right-wing firebrand who once tried to tax the Internet and whose government has launched a high-profile assault on nonprofit organizations, Orban, like Trump, has rarely shied away from a fight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/hungarys-maverick-prime-minister-becomes-europes-donald-trump/2015/09/04/5cc9c63c-5306-11e5-b225-90edbd49f362_story.html

[dembotoz]

17. Sat thru a town hall meeting yesterday with GOP congressman

He wants any sent to the US 2 b christian only

[dembotoz]

10. hungary is in a bad spot

landing spot on the refugee highway.
sounds like they could use some help with logistics and expenses

never got the impression that hungary was a wealthy
to get the refugees from point a to b with food and medical care and shelter and transport
is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

someone has to pay for it.

[moondust]

11. Where are the world's billionaires?

Those 80 people who are as rich as half the world.

Humanity wants needs its money back.