Muslim group condemns Carson comment, calls for repudiation
Source: AP
By KEVIN FREKING
Sep. 20, 2015 11:36 AM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) The nation's largest Muslim advocacy group says lawmakers from across the political spectrum should repudiate Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson's comments that the Islamic faith is inconsistent with the Constitution and that he would not agree with a Muslim being elected president.
Ibrahim Hooper is a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations and says the Constitution expressly prohibits a religious test to qualify for elected office.
Hooper says Carson's comments show he is not qualified for the presidency because he cannot hold such views about a religion and at the same time say he will represent Americans of all faiths and backgrounds.................
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Looking at the comments on this story--there are only 4 comments so far and 3 Agree with Carson!!
Ben Carson
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)Because he was Catholic, the fear was he would rule under the dictates of the Vatican.
http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/john-f-kennedy/videos/jfk-and-the-pope
delrem
(9,688 posts)If you don't understand that the US has been - in so many ways - engaged in doing a thing on "Muslims" for the past 15 years then you're hopeless. The world hasn't seen anything like the US targeting of the Muslim and Islamic communities since Germany targeted Jews.
NonMetro
(631 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)against Herbert Hoover. Smith was also attacked for being a Catholic.
http://magazine.nd.edu/news/1155-the-right-of-a-catholic-to-be-president/
Numerous pamphlets appeared attacking Smith and his religion. More than 100 anti-Catholic newspapers were also spreading their propaganda to millions of readers. Ministers assailed Smith from their pulpits. One Protestant divine asked an audience of Lutherans, Shall we have a man in the White House who acknowledges allegiance to the Autocrat on the Tiber, who hates democracy, public schools, Protestant parsonages, individual right, and everything that is essential to independence?
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The most comprehensive study, conducted by the historian Allan Lichtman, concluded that the religious issue was by far the most important influence on voting. Smiths contemporary, Republican Senator George W. Norris, acknowledged, as did many others in 1928, that the greatest element involved in the landslide was religion. Moreover, he added, the religious issue has sowed the seeds of hatred, prejudice, and jealousy, and they will grow and bear fruit long after the present generation has passed away.
The campaign of 1928 clearly revealed the deep division between Catholics and Protestants as religion remained as a major fault line running through U.S. society. Recalling her reaction to Smiths defeat as a young girl, the writer Abigail McCarthy remarked that Smiths loss was my loss as well as his. She was sad, afraid that if I went up Main Street people would taunt me and jeer at me.
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Nonetheless, the religion issue did not die. It came to a head in September 1960 with the founding of the National Conference of Citizens for Religious Freedom, an organization of prominent Protestant clergymen. The groups public statement, read by the well-known clergyman Norman Vincent Peale, claimed that Kennedys religion made him unacceptable for the presidency. The prestige of Peale gave a measure of respectability to the prejudices of millions of Americans fearful of what a Catholic presidency might mean for the country. The bigotry evident in 1928 was still prevalent across the land.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I also say the context is different w.r.t. Kennedy vs Obama, as well. Kennedy was a proud Catholic, Obama has never been any kind of Muslim. People rightfully understand that "Obama is a Muslim" or "Obama is a secret Muslim", or "Obama is a sleeper Muslim", hit on an entirely different level than "Kennedy is a Roman Catholic", "Kennedy might introduce Papal Law", etc. It's the difference between lies and truth, between war and peace.
The USA has been engaged in an open and declared War on Islamic Terrorism since 9/11. It didn't happen out of the blue, but the period since 9/11 can rightfully be said to be distinct. Starting out with an intent to capture bin Laden in Afghanistan, to bring the perp to justice, a war that destroys the entire social and physical infrastructure of countries has spread from Afghanistan to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and can truthfully be said to now encompass the entire Middle East. Every hellfire missile fired seems to create another thousand "Islamic Terrorists", as people curse and fight back against their tormentors and are labelled "terrorists" for their efforts. The US is backing Saudi Arabia in a purely religious war between Sunni Wahhabist extremists (who are also the core component of ISIS) and a Shia population in a neighboring country (while intentionally ignoring al qaeda's conquest of territory, following their path). We still hear about this abomination in DU OPs crying out that cluster bombs are being dropped on Shia neighborhoods in Yemen - so even though the US MSM doesn't notice, we DUers should. Saudi Arabia is a infuckingcredible buyer of US military supplies. And UK arms. No bid contracts are let to "rebuild the infrastructure" even before the wars are declared and the bombs dropped - and those fat profits are in turn used to justify how the war will "pay for itself".
The USA certainly didn't have a relationship anything like that with the Vatican!
In this case, the neo-nazi presidential contender Ben Carson wasn't attacking an individual as being unfit for office. He wasn't attacking an individual like Kennedy or Obama. He was directly attacking *muslims* as such. So it's not only the context but the *substance* that differs in kind.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)The KKK, which attacked Smith and Kennedy, was against ALL Catholics. They weren't "attacking an individual like Kennedy or Obama." They were against all Catholics, and not just as President -- as residents of the United States.
There is a strong parallel in this case, even though the US isn't involved in a war with the Vatican.
(And with regard to your saying that Kennedy was a proud Catholic but Obama isn't a Muslim -- of course. But Carson wasn't speaking about Obama, as you acknowledge later. So that isn't relevant here.)
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/when-a-catholic-terrified-the-heartland/?_r=0
The response to this belief was public and private, during a campaign that lasted only two months, from September to November. Yet feelings were so strong that they swirled into a hurricane of abuse, a crescendo of fear and hate blasting through eight weeks. The school board of Daytona Beach, Fla., sent a note home with every student. It read simply: We must prevent the election of Alfred E. Smith to the Presidency. If he is elected President, you will not be allowed to have or read a Bible. Fliers informed voters that if Smith took the White House, all Protestant marriages would be annulled, their offspring rendered illegitimate on the spot.
Opponents blanketed the country with photos of the recently completed Holland Tunnel, the caption stating that this was the secret passage being built between Rome and Washington, to transport the pope to his new abode. Countless copies of a small cartoon appeared on lampposts and mailboxes everywhere. Titled Cabinet Meeting If Al Were President, it showed the cabinet room, with the pope seated at the head of the table, surrounded by priests and bishops. Over in the corner was Al Smith, dressed in a bellboys uniform, carrying a serving platter, on top of which was a jug of whiskey. Summing up, the minister of the largest Baptist congregation in Oklahoma City announced, If you vote for Al Smith youre voting against Christ and youll all be damned.
The Ku Klux Klan became actively involved in preventing a Catholic from ever getting near the White House, going all out to defeat Smith. One Klan leader mailed thousands of postcards after Democrats nominated the New Yorker, stating firmly, We now face the darkest hour in American history. In a convention ruled by political Romanism, anti-Christ has won. A Klan colleague in remote North Manchester, Ind., warned his audience, in booming tones, of the imminent arrival of the pope: He may even be on the northbound train tomorrow! He may! He may! Be warned! America is for Americans! Watch the trains! When I interviewed Hugh L. Carey, only the second Roman Catholic elected governor of New York, for my Smith biography, he remembered Klan parades in Hicksville when he was 9 years old and how frightened he was, because there was a real anti-Catholic sentiment.
At least as nefarious were the private conversations, whisperings that went on in homes, workplaces and schools across America. One woman wrote Franklin D. Roosevelt that she had heard that if Governor Smith is elected president, the popes son will be his secretary. F.D.R. asked, in his reply, how many sons did the lady think the pope had, and what were their occupations? Down in Amarillo, Tex., Representative Marvin Jones, a good Democrat, went into his local drugstore, and the owner asked him whom he was going to vote for. Mr. Jones answered with Smiths name. His neighbor bluntly replied, Weve been fighting that bunch for 2,000 years. Do you think Im going to turn the government over to them?
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DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)he's am idiot, but ben carson.
delrem
(9,688 posts)The original Nazis weren't idiots - followers weren't necessarily dumb as depicted in Hogan's Heros.
More like "amoral zealots", 'amoral' in the sense that their actual political morality consisted of conquering territory and pocketing profits and targeting victims for their zealotry, their blood lust. Unequaled even by the Roman Colosseum in its saddest days.
Trump and Carson are very similar.
PSPS
(13,591 posts)3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...$h!tty thing to say, let alone think. And Carson is betraying his ignorance when it comes to the constitution.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)This says what I wanted to about, Carson.
My impusle was to answer the op with he is the GOP's 'Token Negro'. I was hesitant because of political correctness. I wasn't far off.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I had an epiphany, of sorts, while listening. Because I lived through those times and I can truly say that I wasn't *aware* of Malcolm X as anything more than this scary black man, and there was all this scary talk filtering up into Canada from the United States.
Yet what the man actually has to say is as appropriate to today as it was when he said it.
I think his core message can be generalized and not be race-specific, as regards the field/house-negro distinction, and the relationship with a master class. That said, I can't fault him on his race-specific analysis.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Conservatives will be all too happy to Jew-bait and play the anti-Semite card. Just watch.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)When Senator Sanders gets the nomination...
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)This is despicable.
It's what they said about JFK. No Catholics need apply.
It's what they said about Obama. A black president? Yeah, right.
My guess it's what the parents of some of his patients said. A black brain surgeon? That's a joke, right.
A Muslim congressman? Talk to Keith Ellison.
Read the Constitution, which you all revere. No religious test. Full stop. Which part of that is so hard to grasp.
This used to be America, where anything is possible. Not for the "I got mine, so fuck you" crowd.
They all make me sick.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)I can't stand him. Looks like a decent enough guy, then he opens his mouth.
murielm99
(30,733 posts)Something is missing. It is not simply that he is a conservative repubbie. His demeanor is off. He acts like he is medicated, or suffering from some type of illness that is throwing him off stride mentally.
I am serious.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)know that a good portion of the Republican base will agree with those bigoted remarks.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I wanna hear Trump lay into it.
The Trumpster.
What are the Dem candidates saying about this?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)at all coming from his current critics. The fact that this is being presented as shocking just demonstrates that the authors were not offended by Carson's long years of rants against others.
People who get offended only by bigotry toward their own and never by bigotry toward others are not really opposed to bigotry so much as they are in favor of themselves.