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Gothmog

(144,890 posts)
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:33 AM Sep 2015

Boehner Will Resign from Congress

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — Speaker John A. Boehner will resign from Congress and give up his House seat at the end of October, according to aides in his office.

Speaker John A. Boehner in Washington on Thursday. He is under pressure to stand up to the president on Planned Parenthood.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us/boehner-will-resign-from-congress.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0

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Boehner Will Resign from Congress (Original Post) Gothmog Sep 2015 OP
The shutdown is getting to boehner Gothmog Sep 2015 #1
As a federal employee Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #27
I feel for you UCmeNdc Sep 2015 #57
No, Delphinus Sep 2015 #89
This is what some folks forget when their initial response is "it is good, that Boehner is resigning". still_one Sep 2015 #75
I was wondering that too. RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #91
I hope there is a shutdown Keep-Left Sep 2015 #142
Gerrymandering will prevent that. Turbineguy Sep 2015 #144
Indeed, and when your agenda is to destroy the country and government, well... ... randys1 Sep 2015 #151
Not zo fast, not zo fast. I don't zink zo. Der plan ish not vitout flass. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #169
yes i think many will remember this day as questionseverything Sep 2015 #145
There may be a chance that Boehner will push a clean funding bill through Gothmog Sep 2015 #137
Boehner resignation changes the shutdown calculus Gothmog Sep 2015 #149
Wow! Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #153
While this may be bad for the party-I am hoping that Boehner crams a full year funding bill through Gothmog Sep 2015 #155
This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #178
Wow...he's leaving Congress. SpankMe Sep 2015 #88
His district is gerrymandered conservative. yardwork Sep 2015 #93
Wow. The inmates are running the asylum. DCBob Sep 2015 #2
Holy shit! BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #3
I think he was crying because one part of him agreed with the Pope. blm Sep 2015 #7
I think there is a side of him that is disgusted with the new modern insane republican RKP5637 Sep 2015 #15
If that is the case... kracer20 Sep 2015 #34
While that would be fun for us, it would have zero effect on the GOP apnu Sep 2015 #40
That's, of course, just my guess. ... but if he does feel that way, I bet he never calls them RKP5637 Sep 2015 #49
My take llmart Sep 2015 #158
He was the drum major for that crew of insanity. peace13 Sep 2015 #59
I would like to feel compassionate here. peace13 Sep 2015 #63
And the cushy lifetime benefits he will receive on our tab. CrispyQ Sep 2015 #154
Yep, quite true. Some smile as they pull the trigger, he weeps. Same! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #120
I would like to believe that, Qutzupalotl Sep 2015 #22
Remember, Obama was able to make deals w/ Boehner…till the neanderthals blm Sep 2015 #30
I grew up Catholic in Dayton Ohio. I moved to upaloopa Sep 2015 #152
heheh….Cleveland suburbs to LA for me. blm Sep 2015 #156
Cleveland suburbs for me too..... llmart Sep 2015 #159
Nah... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #160
he finally cracked. Now who will take his place? wordpix Sep 2015 #8
someone much, much worse Skittles Sep 2015 #174
He must be sick alcibiades_mystery Sep 2015 #4
guessing with all his chain smoking and drinking he has health probs wordpix Sep 2015 #9
I think verge of breakdown tavernier Sep 2015 #33
That's what I think too. He's been badgered by the nutballs in his party napi21 Sep 2015 #79
I have a hunch if he were away from that herd he's likely different, maybe. He's IMO an RKP5637 Sep 2015 #126
That's the first thing that came to my mind when I heard him on the radio. AngryOldDem Sep 2015 #148
Or maybe rehab? MissDeeds Sep 2015 #38
maybe all the above. Certainly appears in bad health all over wordpix Sep 2015 #47
Ever wonder if tawadi Sep 2015 #69
more likely gray wordpix Sep 2015 #71
And yellow skin in a white person often indicates liver failure. jwirr Sep 2015 #97
people who are sick turn gray wordpix Sep 2015 #182
He's a Catholic. snort Sep 2015 #98
Yes, I, too am suspicious that it's health related rocktivity Sep 2015 #166
Met again with the Pope and he resigns. Sunlei Sep 2015 #5
Did the Pope advise him mainstreetonce Sep 2015 #42
He adviced us all to get more out of life Sunlei Sep 2015 #45
Maybe he's moving to the Vatican? darkangel218 Sep 2015 #106
He was the one who invited the Pope to speak to Congress. Sunlei Sep 2015 #107
All it took was a visit from the pope? n/t jtuck004 Sep 2015 #6
I think he's really fed up with how F'ed up and crazy the modern republican party RKP5637 Sep 2015 #10
This would be my guess as well. bunnies Sep 2015 #74
Yep, he's always looks like a beaten down downtrodden person, now worse than ever. He needs RKP5637 Sep 2015 #125
Good riddance Zorro Sep 2015 #11
He's definitely been a problem, but I'm quite sure we haven't seen nothing yet in comparison onecaliberal Sep 2015 #124
That's a shock! greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #12
Will he be checking into rehab? Kotya Sep 2015 #13
Boehner sucked. Whoever replaces him is going to suck much, much, MUCH more. Drunken Irishman Sep 2015 #14
I fear so liberal N proud Sep 2015 #17
but...there will be a long protracted fight first wordpix Sep 2015 #19
Yep, my concern too. He still seemed human, these others that might replace him are really RKP5637 Sep 2015 #20
Rubio appeared giddy when announcing this to Value Voters Conf wordpix Sep 2015 #50
It will likely go from bad to worse! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #54
now Cruz is addressing the group, "Help is on the way!" He's on a huge high wordpix Sep 2015 #66
A Speaker can be a Senator, Sanitation worker, or even unimployed Reter Sep 2015 #87
Oh Noooooz! maddiemom Sep 2015 #162
Yes, but the House always picks one of their own, so no need to worry about Trump or Cruz Reter Sep 2015 #163
Some things are really fortunate. Yep, if congressman, likely they would vote him in. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #121
No question the extremists have effectively moved the goalpost Iceberg Louie Sep 2015 #134
What are the chances of a Dem taking that spot in the next election? Myrina Sep 2015 #16
Pretty remote. Qutzupalotl Sep 2015 #28
Thanks for the reply! Myrina Sep 2015 #128
news conference "shortly" wordpix Sep 2015 #18
Oh there are going to be some waterworks underpants Sep 2015 #37
The Rude Pundit's last work must have got to him. Botany Sep 2015 #21
Dead girl or live boy? briv1016 Sep 2015 #23
even worse. A tea party rep. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #24
or runinng car into the pool at west side Capitol wordpix Sep 2015 #46
The odds of winning the House back on Hillary's coattails just went up. onehandle Sep 2015 #25
Have to disagree, IF she wins the nomination.... daleanime Sep 2015 #43
Good news for America. Bad news for comedy. 47of74 Sep 2015 #26
It really isn't. Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #29
agree - rurallib Sep 2015 #31
Boehner is freed from the need to placate his caucus now and can do whatever he wants. PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #39
I'm not seeing it. Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #44
It doesn't matter what the majority of Republicans in the House want. All there needs to be PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #48
I don't know if there are 30 Republicans Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #60
He's leaving by October 1. He's gone. yardwork Sep 2015 #96
Every article I've seen on the issue says "end of October". Source for "October 1"? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #101
Sorry. You're right. yardwork Sep 2015 #115
I'm surprised heis leaving Congress underpants Sep 2015 #32
YIPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! onecent Sep 2015 #35
Be careful yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #157
Thanks for the good advice yeoman6987, and I am sure you are right..BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA onecent Sep 2015 #173
Thanks for your reply yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #175
loud applause from Value Voters Conf. when Rubio announced it wordpix Sep 2015 #36
So the R's will fight mainstreetonce Sep 2015 #41
No, because a crazy Republican will win that fight. jeff47 Sep 2015 #65
But the fighting about it mainstreetonce Sep 2015 #77
And that fight requires proving just how crazy you are. jeff47 Sep 2015 #84
Watch out for Lou Gohmert and his teabaggin' friends. They are smelling the blood for the new power. TRoN33 Sep 2015 #51
And this is what is scary. Delphinus Sep 2015 #95
Cruz and Rubio were positively giddy at the Value Voters conf wordpix Sep 2015 #112
Translation: Fuck this shit BeyondGeography Sep 2015 #52
Boehner Initiated the Papal Visit bucolic_frolic Sep 2015 #53
More accurately, he piggy-backed on something already initiated BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #92
Ya gotta love it SmittynMo Sep 2015 #55
I think he's resigning because it has become all-too-obvious truebluegreen Sep 2015 #56
Kevin McCarthy a likely shoo-in, says CNBC wordpix Sep 2015 #70
Don't know that much about him. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #73
never heard of him, myself wordpix Sep 2015 #78
The only possible good that comes of this truebluegreen Sep 2015 #102
He Realized His Lifelong Dream? NonMetro Sep 2015 #58
This means the Tea Baggers are going to make their move. UCmeNdc Sep 2015 #61
+1 harun Sep 2015 #180
I am open to giving him respect for this move. It deends on what he says and does next Tom Rinaldo Sep 2015 #62
The weakest Speaker I can ever recall. WI_DEM Sep 2015 #64
So someone crazier can take his place? abelenkpe Sep 2015 #67
Threat or a promise? Babel_17 Sep 2015 #68
Let's hope in Democratic parents are still alive. jwirr Sep 2015 #105
It's a little like when Dick Armey left.... sofa king Sep 2015 #72
so far Boner hasn't been accused of molesting kids like Hastert wordpix Sep 2015 #80
Actually it is worse, because the house republicans today are even more extreme to the right, and still_one Sep 2015 #83
Good link, thanks! dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #118
I'm okay with this guy McCarthy. sofa king Sep 2015 #161
Tom Delay leaving was a cause for celebration too.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #104
just look at this list of bad actors/criminals---these are repuke leaders wordpix Sep 2015 #109
Maybe he sees an opening ... freebrew Sep 2015 #76
He accomplished nothing fbc Sep 2015 #81
From the Senate to the ---- packman Sep 2015 #82
It's too bad that he never had an ounce of courage to act in the best interests of his world wide wally Sep 2015 #85
I hope he's not having a nervous breakdown or something, I agree with the posters Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #86
And who said the Pope couldn't get anything done? jwirr Sep 2015 #90
Good bye...good riddance. SoapBox Sep 2015 #94
Backfired on you, didn't it John? snort Sep 2015 #99
Maybe he met the Pope and got religion DFW Sep 2015 #100
House can go full Tea Bagger now, they will quickly see how that works out for them. harun Sep 2015 #181
Badly in the long term for sure, maybe not so badly in the short term. DFW Sep 2015 #187
The Pope Effect? nt TeamPooka Sep 2015 #103
he'll drink to that! unblock Sep 2015 #108
I bet hearing the Pope speak romanic Sep 2015 #110
Uncanny how just 24 hours after bawling as the Pope spoke of nobility in public service Iceberg Louie Sep 2015 #136
rumors are rife that there is going to be a coup against him. roguevalley Sep 2015 #141
As much as I dislike Boehner, this is not a good thing. drm604 Sep 2015 #111
reports are Boner wants to work with Dems to keep gov running wordpix Sep 2015 #114
That's right m night shanahan Sep 2015 #123
"the Pope must gotten to him!" AlbertCat Sep 2015 #113
Good. He wasn't getting anything accomplished besides obstructing everything anyway perdita9 Sep 2015 #116
What actually is the ratio between teabags to just repubs??? eom a kennedy Sep 2015 #117
NY Times article says dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #119
Congress is going to lose it's glow! Gregorian Sep 2015 #122
Tea party radicals will burn down the house workinclasszero Sep 2015 #127
Remember that when the government shut down... sofa king Sep 2015 #176
The republicans are in full bark at the moon lunacy mode now workinclasszero Sep 2015 #183
No doubt, they're set back by years. sofa king Sep 2015 #185
The GOP oligarchy must be really pissed at Boner for inviting the liberal pope to Congress. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #129
I'm guessing whichever teabagger replaces him (probably McCarthy) will make us miss Boehner. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #130
The (Hue and) Cry... xocet Sep 2015 #131
I guess the shame of having to enlist Democrats to keep the government running was a bridge too far Demeter Sep 2015 #132
The Nation Mourns rizlaplus Sep 2015 #133
I heard on MSNBC that Boehner rented a place in Florida Gothmog Sep 2015 #135
Well, he doesn't have to worry about sunburn ... he's got a nice base "tan" sprayed on. Myrina Sep 2015 #140
He can go live with ex-Governor Palin! joanbarnes Sep 2015 #138
Maybe Boehner announced his resignation so that he will be free to do some actual governing Gothmog Sep 2015 #139
Na na na na... Na na na na... Hey hey hey... jmondine Sep 2015 #143
Holy shit! I thought he was just quitting the Speaker gig! n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #146
Bye Felicia! nt LaydeeBug Sep 2015 #147
Boehner resignation changes the shutdown calculus Gothmog Sep 2015 #150
And some people here say republicans don't hear from God when they pray. rwsanders Sep 2015 #164
Surreal colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #165
Heard he got a gig as a wine taster n/t Kennah Sep 2015 #167
Well, hell. Does that mean unemployment checks stop? Liberty Belle Sep 2015 #168
The Pope was asking for good thoughts polynomial Sep 2015 #170
Don't believe bucolic_frolic Sep 2015 #171
The pubic didn't buy the republican lie before workinclasszero Sep 2015 #186
Is there a pool open yet as to what information will be disclosed after he leaves office like? Hestia Sep 2015 #172
my bet is a string of drunk driving incidents + health probs, emotional + physical wordpix Sep 2015 #184
This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #177
Na na na na, na na na na hey hey hey goodbye!!!! Initech Sep 2015 #179
Good luck to a classy guy. Mary Mac Mar 2016 #188

Gothmog

(144,890 posts)
1. The shutdown is getting to boehner
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:36 AM
Sep 2015

This will be fun to watch but it appears that this may increase the chances of a shutdown

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
27. As a federal employee
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:57 AM
Sep 2015

with a husband who has no contracts this year I can't begin to tell you how my stomach just turned. The last 3-week-long shutdown my back pay was $12.00.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
57. I feel for you
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:29 AM
Sep 2015

These house Republicans are going to push for a shutdown. Boehner can see the writing on the wall, but he has lost control. The Republicans in the house just gave out a standing ovation at the announcement of Boehner's retirement plans.

still_one

(92,060 posts)
75. This is what some folks forget when their initial response is "it is good, that Boehner is resigning".
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

The reality is the most likely replacement will be Kevin McCarthy, and here is where McCarthy stands on the issues:

http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Kevin_McCarthy.htm

Not only will a probable shut down hurt a lot of folks, if it goes on and the government defaults then the whole economy can be derailed.

For those that think the republicans can't be worse, I suggest it can get a lot worse.

All the best to you and your family. I hope there is no shut down.



 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
91. I was wondering that too.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

They could get a rabid teabagger as their speaker. Ugh. Just when you thought it couldn't get worse.

 

Keep-Left

(66 posts)
142. I hope there is a shutdown
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:40 PM
Sep 2015

I hope they run us into the ground and come 2016 Dems can win back both houses! Then Sanders or Hillary can get some stuff done for the people

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
169. Not zo fast, not zo fast. I don't zink zo. Der plan ish not vitout flass.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 05:10 AM
Sep 2015

Big flass, hughe flass.
Flass zo big dat der pepple vill rize up und take out der Republicuns az a rezult.

Ve haff vays uf makking dem vallk.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
145. yes i think many will remember this day as
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:25 PM
Sep 2015

be careful what you wish for....

at least he was decent enough to have feelings

Gothmog

(144,890 posts)
137. There may be a chance that Boehner will push a clean funding bill through
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:40 PM
Sep 2015

If Boehner puts a clean funding bill through while he is still in office, a shutdown will be averted for a time. The Democrats will be holding all of the cards because Boehner will need Democratic votes to pass such a bill. Boehner's resignation could make a shutdown less likely. If so, Boehner needs to include an increase in the debt ceiling in the same bill

McConnell will pass some sort of clean bill next week and maybe we can postpone a shutdown. Surely the House Conservatives are not stupid enough to shut down the government during an election year.

I doubt that Boehner wants a shut down to be one of his last acts in congress.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
153. Wow!
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:24 PM
Sep 2015

Thanks for that link! We at least have to December which allows us to eat for the next couple of months. One of the three surveys I conduct was shut down in July so I lost a third of my income with that. The beginning of the new fiscal begins October 1st and I was thinking that we will have worked released that has been backed up for 3 months and I can get some good hours in. Then the threat of the shut-down came and you just want to throw your nearest Republican congresscritter out the nearest window.

Gothmog

(144,890 posts)
155. While this may be bad for the party-I am hoping that Boehner crams a full year funding bill through
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:37 PM
Sep 2015

Boehner's legacy can be some actual governing. It will be to the GOP's benefit to pass a full year budget, a highway bill and debt ceiling increase before Boehner leaves so that the GOP will not be able to shut down the government until after the 2016 election. While a shutdown by the GOP may help the Democrats, I would like to see some actual govenring done and I am happy to put the welfare of the country over the prospects for the party

Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #27)

SpankMe

(2,955 posts)
88. Wow...he's leaving Congress.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
Sep 2015

At first, I thought he was just giving up the speakership. I see that he's actually chucking the whole thing - giving up the speakership AND his seat.

I wonder who Ohio will elect next? Hopefully not a right-wing non-compromiser.

yardwork

(61,533 posts)
93. His district is gerrymandered conservative.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

Boehner's replacement will probably be worse. He's considered liberal by the people who have taken over the Republican Party.

blm

(113,005 posts)
7. I think he was crying because one part of him agreed with the Pope.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:42 AM
Sep 2015

His humanity took over and knew he's been acting fraudulently. I think he could no longer see himself being on the side of the destroyers.


The lunacy of the base of his party helped push him out faster.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
15. I think there is a side of him that is disgusted with the new modern insane republican
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:47 AM
Sep 2015

party. I think he's cut out of a different piece of cloth and is conflicted endlessly, now more and more, with what he must deal with.

kracer20

(199 posts)
34. If that is the case...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

I really hope he makes a point of calling out the far right wing for their actions.

apnu

(8,749 posts)
40. While that would be fun for us, it would have zero effect on the GOP
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:11 AM
Sep 2015

Every Republican I know, loathes Boehner. They think he's weak, and have wanted him replaced for a long time now. They think he caves to Obama and they'll see this has caving. They will be encouraged by his resignation, and any statement he has will be soundly ignored as the bitter tears of a loser.

That's the GOP today. They're jerks.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
49. That's, of course, just my guess. ... but if he does feel that way, I bet he never calls them
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:19 AM
Sep 2015

out. My hunch is he will fade away. He also looks like he has a drinking problem, will be hard to tell what happens. What bothers me, is who might replace him ... likely will be far worse than he was.

llmart

(15,532 posts)
158. My take
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 06:00 PM
Sep 2015

I think he's going to dry out in rehab. I don't think it has anything to do with the Pope's speeches and Boehner's conscience. I don't think he has one. Also, the crying is what maudlin drunks do. Let's not pretend he was a decent man just because someone worse might replace him.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
59. He was the drum major for that crew of insanity.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:32 AM
Sep 2015

Don't fool yourself. He's the kid that shoots his granny and then weeps over how much he will miss her. He has wrecked despair over this country for years and harmed so many. Cry me a river John.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
63. I would like to feel compassionate here.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Sep 2015

This man has harmed so many for his own personal gain. He helped put the nails in the middle class coffin. John, your work is done here. I am just sorry that our system permits someone like you to stay in power for so long. Open your eyes to what you have done!

CrispyQ

(36,413 posts)
154. And the cushy lifetime benefits he will receive on our tab.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

I don't even want to know the extent of all of them.

Qutzupalotl

(14,285 posts)
22. I would like to believe that,
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:51 AM
Sep 2015

because that would mean there was a little spark of humanity under all the lies, obfuscation and wrong ideas.

I guess it's also possible he plans to drink himself to death.

I'm glad he won't be third in line to the presidency — he just doesn't seem stable. My concern is that his replacement could be much worse, like Mr. "David Duke without the baggage." Boehner at least could compromise a little (when he was out of the public eye).

blm

(113,005 posts)
30. Remember, Obama was able to make deals w/ Boehner…till the neanderthals
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

caught wind and forced him to back off the deals struck.

I grew up Catholic in Ohio - 'guilt' is not easy to shake.

llmart

(15,532 posts)
159. Cleveland suburbs for me too.....
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 06:03 PM
Sep 2015

Thankfully in a strong union, Democratic area.

I wasn't Catholic so didn't have any guilt to leave behind

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
8. he finally cracked. Now who will take his place?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:43 AM
Sep 2015
Also wondering what's going to come out. Maybe he confessed to the Pope, who suggested he bow out.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
9. guessing with all his chain smoking and drinking he has health probs
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:44 AM
Sep 2015

Lung cancer, liver cancer, cirrosis, heart disease, take your pick.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
79. That's what I think too. He's been badgered by the nutballs in his party
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:59 AM
Sep 2015

for years and I honestly think he believes he can't take it anymore. I'm sure those people were the cause of him drinking more, and more often.

I really do feel sorry for him. He isn't insane like the TBers, and although he tried to work with them, they just beat him up more. I bet he's now saying to himself "Why didn't I do this several years ago?"

I'm really scared of who's going to replace him too! MAYBE if Boehner can ma0manage to get the budget passed without a shutdown, AND get an approval to increase the debt limit before the end of Oct. he can make that the highlight of his speakership. The replacement could also damage the Pub brand so badly that Dems could actually "WIN" in Pub gerrymandered districts and win back control of the House.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
126. I have a hunch if he were away from that herd he's likely different, maybe. He's IMO an
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:54 PM
Sep 2015

extremely conflicted person always living in double-bind situations with the herd of assholes he has to deal with.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
148. That's the first thing that came to my mind when I heard him on the radio.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:04 PM
Sep 2015

He just didn't sound right.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
38. Or maybe rehab?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:08 AM
Sep 2015

Rumors of his excessive drinking have been circulating for years.

Or maybe he's just sick of the whole political mess.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
47. maybe all the above. Certainly appears in bad health all over
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:18 AM
Sep 2015

Baggy eye pouches, red eyes, slow walking, crying at the drop of a hat, orange skin

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
10. I think he's really fed up with how F'ed up and crazy the modern republican party
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:45 AM
Sep 2015

has become. It's the big tent of extremists, racists, homophobes, religious wackos, anti-gov type, the list is endless. The inmates are taking over the party and I wonder who will replace him. I don't blame him. What sane individual could hold his position today.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
74. This would be my guess as well.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:55 AM
Sep 2015

Im shocked that he's resigning though. I actually feel for the guy. He must be totally beat down.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
125. Yep, he's always looks like a beaten down downtrodden person, now worse than ever. He needs
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:48 PM
Sep 2015

to find better people to hang out with IMO. That herd is depressing.

onecaliberal

(32,775 posts)
124. He's definitely been a problem, but I'm quite sure we haven't seen nothing yet in comparison
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:28 PM
Sep 2015

to what is ahead. I don't know if McCarthy will be the next pick, but it's going to get VERY ugly.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
14. Boehner sucked. Whoever replaces him is going to suck much, much, MUCH more.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:47 AM
Sep 2015

We're about to have an insane teaparty, Sarah Palin/Michele Bachmann-wing Speaker of House. Buckle up because if you thought Boehner sucked, it's going to get much worse.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
20. Yep, my concern too. He still seemed human, these others that might replace him are really
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:50 AM
Sep 2015

horribly diabolical creatures. They, will make him have seemed a pleasant democrat in comparison.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
66. now Cruz is addressing the group, "Help is on the way!" He's on a huge high
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:44 AM
Sep 2015

He got rid of Boner. Yay! I'm sure he'd love to be speaker if he weren't a senator.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
87. A Speaker can be a Senator, Sanitation worker, or even unimployed
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:08 AM
Sep 2015

There is no official "House requirement" for the job. So Cruz has hope lol.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
162. Oh Noooooz!
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:55 PM
Sep 2015

Are you serious? 'Cause that would explain all the interjecting himself into House business Cruz has been doing. This completely self-promoting and single- mindedly ambitious (Power and Immortality) bozo certainly hasn't been a shining light in getting any legislation done. Making himself ever-better known by throwing monkey-wrenches into the system and promoting himself: what he's all about.
So you mean Donald Trump could just walk in and put himself up for Speaker? It would seem easier if he started there.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
163. Yes, but the House always picks one of their own, so no need to worry about Trump or Cruz
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:26 PM
Sep 2015

Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers." Although the Constitution does not require the Speaker to be a Member of the House, all Speakers have been Members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives

Iceberg Louie

(190 posts)
134. No question the extremists have effectively moved the goalpost
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:31 PM
Sep 2015

We have come to the point that we mildly mourn the loss of a milquetoast arch-conservate. The latter-day John Birchers of today make Reagan Republicans outright tolerable by comparison.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
16. What are the chances of a Dem taking that spot in the next election?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:48 AM
Sep 2015

I don't know from Ohio politics, but it would be especially sweet if a Dem could replace the Cheetoh.

Qutzupalotl

(14,285 posts)
28. Pretty remote.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:58 AM
Sep 2015

It would take unprecedented turnout to overcome the advantages of gerrymandering the Republicans have given themselves. Still, every member of the House is up for reelection, so it is technically possible.

On edit: I see you meant his House seat rather than the speakership. I don't know if a D can win. His district is pretty conservative.

Botany

(70,442 posts)
21. The Rude Pundit's last work must have got to him.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:51 AM
Sep 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027201876

Seriously, Boehner wept so often and so openly that even teething babies were telling him, "Dude, take it down a notch."

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
25. The odds of winning the House back on Hillary's coattails just went up.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:56 AM
Sep 2015

Unlikely, but this helps.

She will win back the Senate.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
43. Have to disagree, IF she wins the nomination....
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:14 AM
Sep 2015

that would take almost all Democratic enthusiasm out of the campaign, bring hardly any new/independent voters in and fire up the opposition.


But we won't be able to see eye to eye on this so have a great day.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
29. It really isn't.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

The government could very possibly shut down by October 1 because of the leadership fight.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
39. Boehner is freed from the need to placate his caucus now and can do whatever he wants.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
Sep 2015

A good argument can be made that this lessens the odds of a government shutdown.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
44. I'm not seeing it.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:14 AM
Sep 2015

The blood is in the water and their focus is going to be on the leadership fight. They don't give a shit about shutting down the government. They've been in direct communication with their gawduh and he apparently told him to fuck the working poor (federal employees).

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
48. It doesn't matter what the majority of Republicans in the House want. All there needs to be
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:18 AM
Sep 2015

is 30 republicans who'll vote with Democrats to stop a shutdown. Boehner is now freed from
caring what the majority of the Republicans in the House want.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
60. I don't know if there are 30 Republicans
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:34 AM
Sep 2015

with the cajones to buck the soon-to-be Teaklanner leadership. And since Boehner is leaving Congress altogether, I don't see where he would have any real power. That Leadership position is all he has and without it, he's done.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
157. Be careful
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:44 PM
Sep 2015

It's going to be worse. Boehner at least played golf with the president. Chances are the next will literally hate the president. Boehner did not hate the president.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
173. Thanks for the good advice yeoman6987, and I am sure you are right..BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 08:14 PM
Sep 2015

HOW PLEASANT IT WILL BE (IF ONLY TEMPORARILY) TO NOT SEE THAT ORANGE STUPID WEEPING BAWL BABY OF A MAN
EVERY TIME I HAVE TO WATCH THE STATE OF THE UNION.....

I need some relief, lol.....I am 70 I won't have too many more...but let me ask a stupid question then, WHEN A NEW PRESIDENT GETS ELECTED, ISN'T THAT WHEN A NEW PERSON WILL BE ELECTED???? AND HOW PRAY TELL are THEY elected?????

Imean this person is 3rd in line....can't we americans be more careful...
thanks for your note..often I don't want a bunch of really intelligent people hitting me with things i don't understand....

and I don't really understand how he could be worse than Boehner....and if he could be worse, WHY cannot we do something about it?

Have a nice weekend yeoman6987...you don't have to reply to so many dumb questions.....and you were also kind about posting an answer to me. I get very un-kind things sometimes.....
and since i am recuperating from leg angioplasty in both legs, I am not in a very happy mood.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
175. Thanks for your reply
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 09:38 PM
Sep 2015

I hope you recover very quickly and as painless as possible. You have a great weekend too!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
65. No, because a crazy Republican will win that fight.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:44 AM
Sep 2015

And then have to go on to show how "tough" he is against Obama in order to keep the crazy behind him.

Which means lots of stunts like Planned Parenthood.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
84. And that fight requires proving just how crazy you are.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

And hey look! There's a government shutdown looming. Perfect time to show just how crazy you are.

The House in chaos is not helpful.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
51. Watch out for Lou Gohmert and his teabaggin' friends. They are smelling the blood for the new power.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:22 AM
Sep 2015

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
112. Cruz and Rubio were positively giddy at the Value Voters conf
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:44 AM
Sep 2015

I thought they were going airborne next, they were so high on the Boner resignation

BumRushDaShow

(128,374 posts)
92. More accurately, he piggy-backed on something already initiated
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

2 years ago - the World Meeting of Families conference here in Philly this week, where that group invited the Pope, who has traditionally attended the once-every-three-year meetings (and the city spent major resources bidding for it to be here and then practically begged the man to attend after he had been selected - all sorts of junkets went on to the Vatican). Once he accepted, all the other stuff got added for when he would be here in the U.S..

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
55. Ya gotta love it
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:28 AM
Sep 2015

The continuing saga of the destruction of the GOP. The tea baggers should run whats left of it right into the ground.

Are ya ready for a political revolution?

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
56. I think he's resigning because it has become all-too-obvious
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:29 AM
Sep 2015

that he can't control the rabid base--a shutdown is already baked into the cake and he knows it.

The bad news is that the Republican Congress is about to get even more radical and dysfunctional. Worse news is that their approval ratings will probably improve with their base, who will see them as finally Doing Something! to rein in the totally-out-of-control-tyrannical-socialist government.

So things will probably get worse. Only possible good news is that anybody left with two brain cells will revolt against these radicals. Like Trump, they will reveal their true selves for all the world to see: no filters...and after the next election the situation might improve. Maybe.

Take a deep seat and hold on tight.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
73. Don't know that much about him.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:55 AM
Sep 2015

What amazes me is that anybody is willing to take the thankless job at this point. I don't think it's a reputation-maker, or will last for long (it will be lost to infighting, not a Democratic House).

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
102. The only possible good that comes of this
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:27 AM
Sep 2015

is to have the Teabagger insanity out in the open for all the world to see, no filters...like the exposure Trump has given to the worst ideas (bigotry, misogyny, etc) of the Republican base.

I hope, that after seeing what crazy, radical and dysfunctional idiots they really are, many will be thrown out in the next election...that's the best we can get, but in the meantime the situation will be worse.

NonMetro

(631 posts)
58. He Realized His Lifelong Dream?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:30 AM
Sep 2015

Of having the Pope sermonize to the sinful American people from the Pulpit of the US Congress. So, what is there left for him to do?

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
61. This means the Tea Baggers are going to make their move.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:34 AM
Sep 2015

Most likely they already have. We just do not know about it yet.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
62. I am open to giving him respect for this move. It deends on what he says and does next
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Sep 2015

Is he just slinking off in defeat or does he have a meaningful statement to make.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
68. Threat or a promise?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:45 AM
Sep 2015

After long and careful consideration of what will likely follow from this, the heavy hitters, and the big donors, of the Republican party might have a thing or three to say to those eager to see Boehner leave.

Edit: That was my initial response. I see now that it looks very real. Kevin McCarthy for the replacement? Hmm, he's relatively new to the game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McCarthy_%28California_politician%29

Will he be leading the mob, and organizing them, or is he more just the face, the frontman, for that band determined to make Congress more of a Psycho Circus*.

*Yeah, this is all so crazy, I couldn't resist this allusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho_Circus

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
72. It's a little like when Dick Armey left....
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:50 AM
Sep 2015

... Many of us will be sad to see him go, because we are unlikely to have another opponent of his, um, quality.

However, I probably said something similar about the departure of Dennis Hastert, and Boehner was no more or less effective as Speaker, unable to coax his foolish herd into any sophisticated legislative action at all. Now that I think about it, Boehner crying in the presence of the Pope makes me wonder, exactly how well he is going to compare with Dennis Hastert down the road....

It's been kind of nice, actually. After over a decade of terrible Republican leadership in the House, that body has become an irrelevant charade that poops out volumes of ignorant and politically charged nonsense, all of which gets unceremoniously dumped in the back room when it comes time to pay the bills. Since they have no real plans, cannot generate realistic budget numbers, and just say no to everything, it's been blessedly easy to outmaneuver the Republicans in the House, and John Boehner was the most important rube of the lot.

still_one

(92,060 posts)
83. Actually it is worse, because the house republicans today are even more extreme to the right, and
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:01 AM
Sep 2015

the probability that there will be a government shut down has increased significantly, which will not only hurt a lot of people, but may extend into where they allow the government to default, which will undo any economic recovery.

The most likely person to replace Boehner will be Kevin McCarthy. Here is where he stands on the issues:

http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Kevin_McCarthy.htm

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
161. I'm okay with this guy McCarthy.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:12 PM
Sep 2015

My theory--and god am I going to be pissed if I'm wrong--my theory is that the farther to the right a politician is, the stupider he is (and the more likely he is a "he&quot . A foolish Republican Speaker is exactly what we've enjoyed more or less since Gingrich, but Hastert and Boehner were both smarter than their flock, especially the far-rights.

This guy McCarthy is all-the-way right, which suggests to me that he's already started with a cliquish and plotting staff, an actual Rolodex of contacts instead of a database, and of course no accountants, science people, or "math guys" within easy reach. One maneuvers with facts and knowledge of the rules in the House, and if you don't have either of those things, well.... It's predictable.

The Republicans will continue to be unable to assert legislative authority over a clever President and even a strong minority in the Senate, as we have already seen. We'll likely continue to retain that dubious edge if any of the current Democratic candidates (or Joe Biden) wins.

Of course, I also have a related theory, which is that as a politician's politics approaches the ideal right wing, the chances of that person being inextricably involved in sexual and/or financial scandal approaches certainty. And this doofus is all-the-way right, so it's either a live boy or a dead girl, as the insiders used to say....

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
104. Tom Delay leaving was a cause for celebration too....
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:31 AM
Sep 2015

As was Newt. Then there was Dennis Hastert.

Come to think of it Boehner may be one of the few Republican Speakers to leave without being indited which is weird since he once handed out checks from Big Tobacco on the Floor.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
109. just look at this list of bad actors/criminals---these are repuke leaders
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

Boner looks pretty good compared to these. He's just an alcoholic and chain smoker as far as we know. But I don't doubt that something will come out about his love affair with the 1% and campaign donors.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
76. Maybe he sees an opening ...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

to run for president!!!!

Hell, a few of them just dropped out, maybe room for one more?

Just Kidding. Good fucking riddance.

I know, the next guy will be worse.

So, focus on the new guy, eh?

world wide wally

(21,734 posts)
85. It's too bad that he never had an ounce of courage to act in the best interests of his
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:05 AM
Sep 2015

country. Now, I'm sure we'll get a Bagger out to really fuck us up intentionally

Uncle Joe

(58,272 posts)
86. I hope he's not having a nervous breakdown or something, I agree with the posters
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:08 AM
Sep 2015

up thread, baton down the hatches, the House is about to become even more extreme right wing.

Thanks for the thread, Gothmog.

DFW

(54,268 posts)
187. Badly in the long term for sure, maybe not so badly in the short term.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015

That, in turn will be bad for us. If they get a lot of headlines (and they do own most of the media) about how effective they are in blocking Obama (see Cantor's editorial today), then they will be able to point to their newly-found "effectiveness" now that Bonehead is gone, and be able to claim how right (no pun intended) they were all along. It could damage our chances in a few crucial House and Senate races.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
110. I bet hearing the Pope speak
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:42 AM
Sep 2015

made him realize how much of a blubbering fuckwad he's been as a politican/speaker. Good riddance.

Iceberg Louie

(190 posts)
136. Uncanny how just 24 hours after bawling as the Pope spoke of nobility in public service
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:36 PM
Sep 2015

Boehner throws in the towel. Uncanny.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
141. rumors are rife that there is going to be a coup against him.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:19 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think he can take it and I think the amazing grace of Frances was the last straw. He can't defend against them turning down the government any more. He didn't want it last time and I think he knows he can't stop it now. I think he may even have health issues now.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
111. As much as I dislike Boehner, this is not a good thing.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:42 AM
Sep 2015

The Tea Party crazies are going to have more power now.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
113. "the Pope must gotten to him!"
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:46 AM
Sep 2015

I found it amusing that people think "the Pope musta gotten to him!" Pu-leez! This has been planned long before the Pope arrived. The dog and pony show of the Pope was Boehner's big finale show stopper act. He was blubbering thru the Pope's speech (if he was even listening) because he knew his exit stage right was coming up. The Pope was a prop. "Play me off...Pope!"..aaaand vamp!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
119. NY Times article says
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:05 PM
Sep 2015
The fundamental dynamics don’t change,” Mr. Dent said.
“The dynamics are this: There are anywhere from two to four dozen members who don’t have an affirmative sense of governance.
They can’t get to yes. They just can’t get to yes, and so they undermine the ability of the speaker to lead. And not only do they undermine the ability of the speaker to lead, but they undermine the entire Republican conference and also help to weaken the institution of Congress itself. That’s the reality.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us/john-boehner-to-resign-from-congress.html
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
127. Tea party radicals will burn down the house
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:00 PM
Sep 2015

and bring the government to a halt.

Its their wet dream to destroy our government and with Boehner out of the way they just have to pick the worst, most idiotic loon in their racist party to git her done!

Any government employees out there better be saving all your pennies cause the republicans are coming for your paycheck!

Republicans are economic terrorists, get ready USA!

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
176. Remember that when the government shut down...
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:14 PM
Sep 2015

... some magical national security measure kicked in and within 72 hours the Republicans came out of the woodshed endorsing the Democratic President's plan.

We almost got 'em to do it twice, but John Boehner was smart enough to slip out of the second crisis without triggering the backroom ass-whipping they got the first time--which included allowing the expiration of tax cuts for the rich and the loss of a trillion dollars in defense funding.

Since we're already dealing with criminals, more and stupider crazies in House leadership may actually mean more power for a Democratic President and for Democratic legislators who actually know how to legislate.

Some day soon, that might be how America finally changes for the better, through constant idiot-generated crisis, where stupid Republicans lose something important and irreplaceable every time they shut the government down.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
183. The republicans are in full bark at the moon lunacy mode now
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:12 AM
Sep 2015

They see Boehner's blood in the water and it just whets their blood lust even higher. Wall street...hell, the whole world economic system must be shaking in their boots at what the radical teahaddists have in store for their precious trillions!

These dumb bastards created the fox/hate radio/teahaddist monster and now its turning on its master and will rip their throats out!

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
185. No doubt, they're set back by years.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:28 AM
Sep 2015

I think just the announcement will cause a change in leadership staff that will be disruptive enough to put the House on autopilot for the rest of the year.

Then the crazies come in, and if we're lucky they'll maneuver the "you can't do that" staff people--the ones with the institutional knowledge--straight out of the upper ranks.

And stupidity shall reign in the House.

That's just fine with me, because as long as their gerrymandering keeps them in the majority, I want the Republicans to be as stupid and small-minded as chickens, pecking at their own feces to taste whether or not it's a juicy grub....

Chickens are dumb enough to believe that their leader is the meanest rooster, instead of the farmer with the axe.

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
130. I'm guessing whichever teabagger replaces him (probably McCarthy) will make us miss Boehner.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:19 PM
Sep 2015

At least Boehner was good for some comic relief.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
132. I guess the shame of having to enlist Democrats to keep the government running was a bridge too far
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:27 PM
Sep 2015

Instead of actually being a leader, and leading, come hell or high water, Boehner is bugging out.

I don't think it's his health, or his vices. I think it's his cowardice.

Gothmog

(144,890 posts)
135. I heard on MSNBC that Boehner rented a place in Florida
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:36 PM
Sep 2015

It appears that he may be retiring to Florida.

Gothmog

(144,890 posts)
139. Maybe Boehner announced his resignation so that he will be free to do some actual governing
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:44 PM
Sep 2015

I know that this may be unrealistic but Boehner's resignation frees him to pass some bills that are unpopular with the 40 or 50 tea party nut cases but are necessary for the operation of the country such as a clean budget, a debt ceiling increase and a highway bill.

These bills could all pass with the support of the Democrats and Boehner could leave on a positive note. The conservative/tea party element of the base already hate him and so Beohner's legacy will be judged by what he accomplished and not what 40 or 50 nutcases think.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
165. Surreal
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:06 PM
Sep 2015

Most republicans are giddy because the Orange Man wasn't being wing nutty enough for them. Meanwhile Obama slurps him.

God I hope Bernie wins but unless people get off their rear ends and vote he wouldn't get a congress to help him even if he got to the White House.

Liberty Belle

(9,532 posts)
168. Well, hell. Does that mean unemployment checks stop?
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 01:25 AM
Sep 2015

We're living on unemployment right now.

how are federal healthcare benefits impacted - ie those of us on "Obamacare"?

Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse (after slamming into a truck, literally, totaling my car and wrecking up my neck and back this week....aaaaaarrgggggh!)

polynomial

(750 posts)
170. The Pope was asking for good thoughts
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 06:10 AM
Sep 2015

That's not easy to do

Thinking about that “wall” the Vatican, a walled enclave within the city of Rome, where the truth about just one important existence was suppressed for around three hundred and fifty years, but finely the Church admitted it was wrong. Many can argue America is in an infancy in confessions of wrong decisions by the deciders, compared to that enclave.

That is the conflict of great science of Copernicus, Galileo, and the Church. It was just 1992 the church saying it was wrong to condemn them.

Keeping secrets has been the domain of religion, government, and academia for millennium’s, however it appears that some omega point is being recognized. We may very well be living in the apocalypse, meaning "uncovering", translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge.

Two important issues jump out at me about the notion of secrecy and lies, the Pope says climate change is real and America should take a leadership role to avoid further destruction of the ecosystem.

The second and very striking was the visit to ground zero, the monument to lies of a war that should not have happened.

A monument in stone that represents profiteering decisions the Republicans or that so called military industrial complex embraces and endorsed by the corrupt media view a beautiful cascading water well at the monument to commit the pure memory of an injustice.

Yet Americans while viewing this monument increasingly without thinking need to resort to drink pure water from plastic bottles because our basic water supply is inadequate to the taste or health.

The way change will take place is to admit the Iraq war was wrong, and climate change is real. Speaker John A. Boehner knows that. Maybe Trump will engage Boehner as a Vice President, the next media circus.

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
171. Don't believe
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 10:21 AM
Sep 2015

the storyline .... this is a calculated Tea Party maneuver to showcase
their extreme positions and force President Obama to veto them so
they can blame him for being obstructionist.

Will the general public buy it? No.

Will the 7% of last minute voters who know little about issues be
swayed by the tactic?

Some probably will.

The new Speaker will be a radical for sure. A firebrand.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
186. The pubic didn't buy the republican lie before
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015

And they are not going to buy it the next 50 times either!

Who the hell is out their crowing about shutting down the government if they don't get their way?

F***ING republicans of course! And we all see it! And hear it on hate radio/fox.

So when the next teahaddist speaker of the house says gee President Obama shutdown the government not us, everybody and his brother will know exactly who to blame!

The stinking, anti-american, radical teahaddist F***ING REPUBLICAN party!

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
172. Is there a pool open yet as to what information will be disclosed after he leaves office like?
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 07:24 PM
Sep 2015

Hastert, et al? Is there a line posted anywhere?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
184. my bet is a string of drunk driving incidents + health probs, emotional + physical
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:12 AM
Sep 2015

big drinker + chain smoker = bad health and then add in stress and insanity from dealing with the RWnutjobs

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