China hits back at Hillary Clinton in women's rights row

[Jesus Malverde]

Source: Guardian UK

China has hit back at US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton after she called President Xi Jinping “shameless” for hosting a meeting on women’s rights at the UN while continuing to persecute activists at home.

A strongly worded editorial in the fiercely nationalistic, state-run newspaper Global Times likened Clinton to Donald Trump, a “demagogue” whose popularity is based on his “big mouth”.

“It seems that Hillary, eager to keep a competitive edge in the game, has also resorted to these ignominious shenanigans,” the editorial said, calling her a rabble-rouser who has thrown away her decency and reputation in order to gain a leg up in the election.

In his first visit to the UN general assembly in New York, Xi pressed for the world to step up efforts to improve women’s rights, despite his own country’s detention of feminists and activists.


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/china-hillary-clinton-womens-rights-united-nations

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Interesting she would want to undermine the historic meeting between the Chinese president and President Obama at this juncture. Is it payback for all those senior administration leaks from the Obama Administration or something else?

Considering China is a county that locks up thousands of political prisoners, executes criminals after dubious trials, represses minorities, a corrupt single party state where only a communist vote counts....etc etc. It's easy to see her promoting this issue as a way of rallying her waning base of Democratic women.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-sharp-erosion-in-clinton-support-among-democratic-women/2015/09/14/6406e2a0-58c3-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html

[Fred Sanders]

1. The thing you speculate about lacks one thing......evidence. "Undermining Obama"....how embarrassing

of a conclusion based on no evidence is that?

Remember, it is the GOP that cares for no evidence to speculate and attack anything progressive, including Clinton.....or maybe not.

[Jesus Malverde]

3. Do you think her words helped or hurt China-US relations a day after the summit at the Whitehouse?

[Fred Sanders]

4. Irrelevant and as speculative as your original speculation.

[Android3.14]

11. More illogic

It is relevant to the speculation. But you are right, it is as speculative, since it was a restatement of the original question.

This is your typical "look over there" response from people incapable of defending HRC on her merits.

[karynnj]

14. I don't think her comments are helpful to the US/China relationship, but she has a unique position

on this. She just passed a milestone anniversary of her speaking out in 1995 for women's rights in China. This forum was on women's rights and she took issue with China having a prominent place there. (In fact, it may not even have been HRC herself who wrote that tweet -- as emails showed it was not HRC who did tweets in her name as SoS. )

If she were still Secretary of State, that tweet would not have happened. The response of China shows that it hit home. They did not counter HRC's statement on their current situation. They instead said she said it for political reasons. I am NO HRC fan, but this is one of the issues where she actually has been consistent over her entire career.

As to the OP - I think that her long held credentials on this - or even the Chinese accusation that it was intended for politics, are more likely than a devious effort to undermine President Obama. In fact, as I have said for years -- HRC benefits the better Obama's EIGHT years of foreign policy are viewed. Every Democrat as nominee would, but given that HRC was his SoS it goes double for her.

[Fred Sanders]

20. So you must also remember how Clinton single handily restored America's reputation with the world?

Selective memory is not a good habit to get into.

[karynnj]

23. "single handedly????" I think President Obama being elected was the number one factor there

My memory is actually pretty good. One memory I have is a daughter sending me and others a wonderful comment written in an English language Sri Lankan paper (she had been in Sri Lanka for Spring semester 2008). The wonder and promise seen by his election was a world wide phenomena.

Now, it is absolutely true that the US needed to repair relationships damaged in the Bush years. It is not secret that HRC traveled the world for about 4 years doing this. She has been given a huge amount of deserved credit for this. However, the repair started the instant the world saw that Bush would be gone and replaced by a charismatic African American, with links to both Africa and Asia - that he celebrated as part of what led to his world view.

Apparently, you never saw this or have "selectively forgot" it.

PS - It is amazing that this was your response to what I wrote. I mentioned, which you had not the relationship of this to HRC's speech of 20 years ago and that this tweet was consistent with her long career. Yet, apparently you need to carry the fact that I disagreed with you elsewhere into what I wrote here.

[Fred Sanders]

24. You DO recall the 4 years of Clinton flying the world patching up the Bush disasters?

I like to give credit where credit is due, and thank you for the same, at least for Obama.

Let us compromise. Obama gets half the credit for being elected, the other half credit for appointing Clinton and another full credit to her for doing such an excellent job?

[karynnj]

27. Your math needs a little work

I really don't think there is a mathematically viable way to assign the percent each played in this. The fact is that no matter who the Secretary of State is and no matter how good he or she is, the President sets the policy and really dictates our position in the world. ter Yet after giving Obama and Clinton equal credit for being elected and appointed, you then give her another "full" credit for doing a good job. Does that mean she gets 75% of the credit? If that is your proposed "compromise", I reject it. It was after all, Obama's policy she was implementing and he is the public image of the country. (ie do you give Madeline Albright 75% of the credit as Clinton's SoS?)


I guess you missed that I wrote:

Now, it is absolutely true that the US needed to repair relationships damaged in the Bush years. It is not secret that HRC traveled the world for about 4 years doing this. She has been given a huge amount of deserved credit for this.

[riversedge]

2. Hillary did right to stand up for women's rights--as she has done for decades.

[Jesus Malverde]

5. I guess Obama didn't stand up for them, then.

am I right?

[riversedge]

6. Obama refused to personally attend (he did send US reps ) but for a big event like this

he sent a message.

[Jesus Malverde]

9. The day after he hosted this "shameless" human rights violator at his house.

It seems hard to believe they are on the same team or in sync.

[karynnj]

17. So, he should have avoided working with China on Climate Change, because of

human rights violations? China is far too big and important to just ignore. Not to mention, wasn't there some "tilt to Asia" that was part of Obama foreign policy.

[Kelvin Mace]

7. Except lesbians

They got rooked until quite recently.

[Jesus Malverde]

12. How so?..nt

[Kelvin Mace]

13. She supported the "Defense of Marriage Act"

and opposed marriage equality until quite recently. So, I would assume "women's rights" would include the right of who they can marry, which until recently, was not something HRC supported.

[riversedge]

15. She supports them now. Move on with your RW crap

[Kelvin Mace]

18. I don't get my opionions from

goddamned rightwingers. I get them from my own observation of the facts.

Fact: She supported DOMA. Fact: She didn't explicitly support marriage equality until 2013.

For the record, I don't give Obama a pass on this issue either. He didn't support marriage equality either until is was "safe" to do so.

[Fred Sanders]

21. It is just funny hearing the denials that most Hillary-hate is sourced from RW sources. When it is.

The "don't shoot the messenger" refrain is my favorite.

[onehandle]

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[Jesus Malverde]

10. Ex Secretary of State undermines summit of sitting American President.

[riversedge]

16. Love it.

[elleng]

19. Yes, very 'interesting she would want to undermine the historic meeting

between the Chinese president and President Obama at this juncture.'

[riversedge]

22. I really can't believe you said that. whow.

[elleng]

25. Can't believe I'm agreeing with OP?

[riversedge]

26. Seems you are agreeing with Editorial in the OP. If I am mistaken then

inform me.

[elleng]

28. I'm agreeing with this portion of the OP:

'Interesting she would want to undermine the historic meeting between the Chinese president and President Obama at this juncture.'

[riversedge]

29. Then I responsed to your post. And I disagree

with that statement.

[Nitram]

30. Undermining Obama? BS!

If anything it strengthens Obama's hand to have a surrogate pressing China on human rights issues.

[karynnj]

31. except HRC is no one's surrogate at this point and

There are other issues that matter as well. There were times when HRC went to China and did not speak of human rights. Some human rights people complained. She was correct that there are times when you need to raise the issue and times when you are working on other important things.

Climate change work might be more needed at this point.

[Nitram]

32. Clinton said what everybody was thinking.

How can this guy be hosting a meeting on women's rights his policies were behind the arrest of Chinese women peacefully demonstrating for women's rights, and lawyers defending people for doing the same?

[november3rd]

33. Michelle

is as beautiful as ever!