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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:41 PM Sep 2015

Coke Spends Lavishly on Pediatricians and Dietitians

Source: New York Times

By ANAHAD O'CONNOR
SEPTEMBER 28, 2015 5:32 PM



Coca-Cola logos were on various items at the Academy of Pediatrics' national conference in 2011.
Credit Alan Greene/DrGreene.com


When the American Academy of Pediatrics needed support for a website it created to promote children’s health, it turned to a surprising partner: Coca-Cola.

The world’s largest maker of sugary beverages, Coca-Cola has given nearly $3 million to the academy over the past six years, making it the only “gold” sponsor of the HealthyChildren.org website. Even though the pediatric academy has said publicly that sugary drinks contribute to the obesity epidemic, the group praises Coke on its website, calling it a “distinguished” company for its commitment to “better the health of children worldwide.”

The extent of the financial ties between Coke and the Academy of Pediatrics was revealed last week when the company released a detailed list of nearly $120 million in grants, large and small, given to medical, health and community organizations since 2010. Not only has Coke’s philanthropy earned it praise from influential medical groups, the soda grants appear to have, in some cases, won the company allies in anti-soda initiatives, wielded influence over health recommendations about soft drinks, and shifted scientific focus away from soda as a factor in the causes of obesity.

The list of Coke donations was released after the company’s chief executive, Muhtar Kent, promised to be transparent about its partnerships in the health community. The move was prompted by criticism that the company has paid for scientific research that plays down the role of Coke products in the spread of obesity, an issue first reported last month in The New York Times.


Read more: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/28/coke-spends-lavishly-on-pediatricians-and-dietitians



NOTE: A version of this article appears in print on 09/29/2015, on page D1 of the NewYork edition with the headline: In Obesity Debate, Coke Spends Lavishly.
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Coke Spends Lavishly on Pediatricians and Dietitians (Original Post) proverbialwisdom Sep 2015 OP
But... not believing corporations about your diet defies... science! villager Sep 2015 #1
Sure, we should trust right wing woo mongers like Mercola and Mike Adams Major Nikon Sep 2015 #2
You can keep trusting Coca Cola and Monsanto with all your food choices... villager Sep 2015 #4
You'd think the woo fans could come up with some new material by now Major Nikon Sep 2015 #5
You'd think the corporate woo fans would, too. Alas, no new talking points sent, I guess villager Sep 2015 #6
And what woo would that be exactly? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #7
Wow -- can you bill for all the time you spent finding those chestnuts? villager Sep 2015 #10
Donno, does naturalwoo pay by the click? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #11
We don't have the corporate bucks that your side does! We can't buy politicos as easily villager Sep 2015 #12
Who needs to pay when woo heroes like Mike Adams has no shortage of stooges? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #13
You succeed in the playbook you were handed --bring up unrelated snark to avoid commenting on the OP villager Sep 2015 #14
Aw, how rich Major Nikon Sep 2015 #15
Can you respond to the OP? Yes or no? villager Sep 2015 #16
Yes! I can. Major Nikon Sep 2015 #17
Ah, so you *can't* actually respond to the OP. villager Sep 2015 #18
Why should I when it's much more fun playing your silly games? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #19
Can you respond directly to the OP? Yes or no? villager Sep 2015 #20
... Major Nikon Sep 2015 #21
You're not really very good at this, are you? villager Sep 2015 #22
I haven't been disappointed yet Major Nikon Sep 2015 #23
As contentless, snarky and pointless a poster as you are... villager Sep 2015 #24
You stole my line! Major Nikon Sep 2015 #25
Check it out. proverbialwisdom Sep 2015 #27
An opinion piece from a paid organic industry mouthpiece Major Nikon Sep 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Sep 2015 #32
Oh, really? As I read it, only Benbrook amended his COI form. Landrigan is lead author, anyway. proverbialwisdom Sep 2015 #39
So your best defense is only half the authors admitted to lying? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #40
It's a shame you self-deleted post #32 Major Nikon Sep 2015 #33
Don't flatter yourself. I decided to rise above your rude and very flimsy provocation. (nt) proverbialwisdom Sep 2015 #34
There's certainly nothing rude or flimsy about flooding DU with anti-vax crankery Major Nikon Sep 2015 #35
I look forward to the day you will reconsider your views. I guarantee that you will. (nt) proverbialwisdom Sep 2015 #37
Just a few more coffee enemas and I'm sure I'll be there Major Nikon Sep 2015 #38
OMG, I'm dying over here. Quackers Oct 2015 #47
It's frequently cited as a legitimate source right here on DU Major Nikon Oct 2015 #49
Catch up via parents/others on epigenetics (SLAM, CD46, IL6, IL10, measles receptor, race) and more. proverbialwisdom Oct 2015 #46
Tactics and tropes of the antivaccine movement Major Nikon Oct 2015 #48
See post #44. Incidentally, I'm considering deleting my posts on this thread not relevant to the OP. proverbialwisdom Oct 2015 #52
Blatantly false? So I must have dreamed all those references to ageofautism, naturalnews, and OCA Major Nikon Oct 2015 #53
The Woomeister Named Oz is a Republican. nt alp227 Sep 2015 #8
Nope. Dr Oz is a liberal TV doctor Major Nikon Sep 2015 #9
Bzzt! Thanks for playing! Oz gave tons to McCain and lots to Bill Frist RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #30
Evidently sarcasm is not your strong suit Major Nikon Sep 2015 #31
You're actually the person trolling the thread and refusing to discuss the OP DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #50
Evidently reading isn't your strong suit, but pot/kettle projection is Major Nikon Oct 2015 #51
I don't read either but traditional journalism model is busted & not necessarily trustworthy either. proverbialwisdom Oct 2015 #41
So you don't read woo, and as proof you cite one of the biggest woo sites on the net, ageofautism Major Nikon Oct 2015 #42
Wrong. Whatever you find is a one-off story from a tweet not covered elsewhere & none are recent. proverbialwisdom Oct 2015 #44
Please do keep denying it because it's hilarious Major Nikon Oct 2015 #45
This sort of BS is happening regularly RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #3
Most of the posts on this thread have nothing to do with the article RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #26
Definitely not the only one who noticed that. Nihil Sep 2015 #29
Good question Major Nikon Sep 2015 #36
Honestly, how many parents don't realize how foolish WestSeattle2 Oct 2015 #43
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. But... not believing corporations about your diet defies... science!
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:44 PM
Sep 2015

I read it right here, I tell ya, from someone linking to their blog!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
2. Sure, we should trust right wing woo mongers like Mercola and Mike Adams
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:52 PM
Sep 2015

...and lets not forget that great Democrat Dr Oz.

Unlike your hyperbole I actually did read that right here.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
10. Wow -- can you bill for all the time you spent finding those chestnuts?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:00 PM
Sep 2015

I hope so.

The rest of us get paid for different kinds of work, though...

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
12. We don't have the corporate bucks that your side does! We can't buy politicos as easily
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:21 PM
Sep 2015

...either!

To say nothing of the "paid brigade" on social media....

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. Who needs to pay when woo heroes like Mike Adams has no shortage of stooges?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:39 PM
Sep 2015

But you do make a good point. When Wakefield is out of work you know only the creme-de-la-quacks like Dr Oz and Mercola are going to be making bank.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
14. You succeed in the playbook you were handed --bring up unrelated snark to avoid commenting on the OP
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:54 PM
Sep 2015

You, of course, will refuse to say whether you believe Coca Cola could possibly influence the pronouncements of medical industry professionals.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
15. Aw, how rich
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 09:08 PM
Sep 2015

You manage to work in even more snark while simultaneously projecting that on me, and while you haven't managed anything even remotely relevant to the OP yourself, whine incessantly that I "refuse" to say something nobody ever bothered to ask.

Brilliant!

Seems like you kinda need a playbook here cuz you're going well off the rails here.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. Yes! I can.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 09:30 PM
Sep 2015

But I have exactly zero interest in doing so with someone who calls out and offers 6 (now 7) derisive posts while simultaneously whining incessantly about the very behavior they demonstrated. So you can take whatever you like, because you've already gotten exactly what you asked for.

Cheers!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
19. Why should I when it's much more fun playing your silly games?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 09:47 PM
Sep 2015

It's not as if I really expect anything substantive out of you as I can pretty much write your responses for you by now.

Toxic!

Monsanto!

Poison!

Shill!

Roundup challenge!

Corporate woo!

Chemicals!

How am I doing so far? Your opinion on this subject matters greatly to me.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
20. Can you respond directly to the OP? Yes or no?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 09:51 PM
Sep 2015

I realize that's a rhetorical question -- an honest response would tip your hand...

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
23. I haven't been disappointed yet
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 10:33 PM
Sep 2015

Each time I pull your chain a response comes out. I'm saving them all for later.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
24. As contentless, snarky and pointless a poster as you are...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 10:43 PM
Sep 2015

...you are overdue for the ignore list. You bring nothing -- emphasis on "nothing"-- to the conversation.

As well as completely besmirching your avatar!

Buh-bye!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
25. You stole my line!
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:43 PM
Sep 2015

I was wondering how long it would be before you predictably took your ball and went home.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
28. An opinion piece from a paid organic industry mouthpiece
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:14 AM
Sep 2015

No less one whose claim to fame is a "study" where he actually pulled numbers metaphorically from his ass, was widely discredited by the scientific community, and was subsequently fired from his research professorship, yet continues to falsely claim he is a research professor.

As if this weren't bad enough, when your dubious sources were cold hard busted for misrepresenting their status as paid mouthpieces for the organic industry (see comment on August 22) to the NEJM, they had to "amend" their original outright lies (on August 27).
http://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMp1505660/suppl_file/nejmp1505660_disclosures.pdf

I love it when you throw out links you obviously don't understand. It speaks volumes, but probably not like you intended. Kudos for linking to truth-out. It's still a worthless purveyor of junk science, but admittedly it's a step up from your usual completely batshit crazy woo site links.

Response to Major Nikon (Reply #28)

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
39. Oh, really? As I read it, only Benbrook amended his COI form. Landrigan is lead author, anyway.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 06:39 PM
Sep 2015

RE: http://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMp1505660/suppl_file/nejmp1505660_disclosures.pdf

http://www.mountsinai.org/profiles/philip-j-landrigan
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/philip-landrigan/

Very sloppy to throw around all those plural pronouns. So much innuendo. Shaky and shady, IMO.

Like insisting repeatedly that I post "batshit crazy woo site links" when, in fact, objectively speaking I do not. Get a grip.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
40. So your best defense is only half the authors admitted to lying?
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:40 PM
Sep 2015

He didn't even fully admit to lying as he left all sorts of conflicts of interest off the form, in actually he lied twice besides the lies told by both your authors in the article itself.

As if that wasn't hilarious enough, your woo-site source, "truth"-out calls out Nina Federoff for her conflict of interest, while curiously failing to mention the blatant conflict of the authors.

Like insisting repeatedly that I post "batshit crazy woo site links" when, in fact, objectively speaking I do not. Get a grip.


Every time you deny channeling batshit crazy woo-sites, I'm just going to repost the evidence which shows that you obviously do, as if pretty much every page of your DU journal wasn't enough. So please do continue to deny it. I think it's utterly hilarious you'd accuse me of "dreaming" and claiming I need to get a grip when you channel batshit crazy woo sites that promote homeopathy and chemtrails.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141219881#post33

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
33. It's a shame you self-deleted post #32
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:27 PM
Sep 2015

But here it is anyway:

proverbialwisdom
32. I NEVER cite "batshit crazy woo sites." You are dreaming, bud. (nt)


Perhaps you self-deleted after you realized I'm well aware of your posting history, so here's the rebuttal anyway, which I obviously just dreamed up...

Here you cite "Age of Autism" which is pretty much the creme-de-la-dum of the batshit crazy anti-vax woo sites. It's a frequent mouthpiece of well known cranks like Jenny McCarthy, and appears to be your favorite site as you link to it quite frequently.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014430520#post22

Here you link to OCA and Naturalnews in the same post (a woo twofer if there ever was one):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10402408#post19

As if there's anyone on DU who isn't already aware of the batshit crazy nuttery on display by your most trusted sources, here's a few other other gems from the exact same crankosphere which I must have dreamed up:

Mammograms cause breast cancer

Homeopathy

Bill Gates is in a secret eugenics plot with big pharma

Microwave ovens are a "Significant Toxic Threat"

Chemtrails

9/11 conspiracy nuttery

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
35. There's certainly nothing rude or flimsy about flooding DU with anti-vax crankery
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:51 PM
Sep 2015

So you make a very good point here and you should be commended for taking the high road.

I'm glad we can at least agree on the whole batshit crazy woo source thing as that seemed to be a bit embarrassing (for you, not me).

Cheers!

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
47. OMG, I'm dying over here.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:15 AM
Oct 2015


I thought most of that stuff you posted links of was a joke or satire. I had to google natural news as I've never heard of it before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaturalNews

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
49. It's frequently cited as a legitimate source right here on DU
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 05:43 AM
Oct 2015

Albeit it's not PW's favorite woo site. That would be age of autism.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Age_of_Autism

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
46. Catch up via parents/others on epigenetics (SLAM, CD46, IL6, IL10, measles receptor, race) and more.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:13 AM
Oct 2015

STARTLING BASIC RESEARCH (links via parents):

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40DystopianUtopia%20%20SLAM%20&src=typd
http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2807%2900869-X/abstract
"Clinical implications: Understanding the immunogenetics of measles vaccine receptors is important to better understand variations in immune responses to vaccines and to design better vaccines."

STARTLING CLINICAL FINDINGS BY BOARD CERTIFIED PEDIATRICIANS (links via parents):
http://najms.net/wp-content/uploads/v06i03.pdf#page=34 (published 2013, Harvard vetted)
http://paulthomasmd.com/2015/07/23/what-is-the-prevalence-of-adequate-mmr-titers-and-are-they-persisting-in-the-vaccinated-population/ (unpublished 2015)
"Dr Mumper published a small study with no new autism out of her approximately 300 patients. I have a similar experience in my practice of about 1500 patients..."
Zero overall, not 1/68.

STARTLING INSIGHTS FROM PARENTS AND PEDIATRIC SUBSPECIALISTS (links via parents):
http://www.pressherald.com/2014/09/02/maine-voices-breakdown-in-accountability-at-heart-of-decline-in-vaccinations/
http://file.scirp.org/html/22932.html

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OFF TOPIC (Interestingly, both issues were raised in the essay cited below on double standards and hypocrisy in mainstream media reporting on conflicts of interest).

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
52. See post #44. Incidentally, I'm considering deleting my posts on this thread not relevant to the OP.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:31 PM
Oct 2015
I hope you realize all this negative attention might backfire and cause more readers to poke around the issues. Maybe you're actually trying to drive up traffic? You backhandedly suggested checking out my journal (functionally like newspaper clippings) twice. Thanks. Ok, ok, if I've misconstrued, it's alright. I remain confident in the sources cited and stand by the reposts. I read, I learn. And you? Cheers, as you say!

MY most trusted sources? BLATANTLY FALSE (as you know). Twist and shout, what a dud, except for the song.

Major Nikon:

As if there's anyone on DU who isn't already aware of the batshit crazy nuttery on display by your most trusted sources, here's a few other other gems from the exact same crankosphere which I must have dreamed up:

Mammograms cause breast cancer

Homeopathy

Bill Gates is in a secret eugenics plot with big pharma

Microwave ovens are a "Significant Toxic Threat"

Chemtrails

9/11 conspiracy nuttery

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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
53. Blatantly false? So I must have dreamed all those references to ageofautism, naturalnews, and OCA
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

Even though the proof was posted of you linking to them repeatedly.

I hope you realize all this negative attention might backfire and cause more readers to poke around the issues.


Yes, I actually lie awake at night worrying about that, as are all the other people who have called bullshit on your woo cites in all those other threads in your journal.



Speaking of backfiring....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141219881#post47

Cheers!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
30. Bzzt! Thanks for playing! Oz gave tons to McCain and lots to Bill Frist
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:39 AM
Sep 2015

And he has given more than $25,000 to the Republican National Committee

See for yourself

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=Oz%2C+Mehmet&cycle=All&sort=R&state=&zip=&employ=&cand=&submit=Submit

Also, what does your trolling have to do with the fact that Coca-cola (absolutely no one's definition of health food) is trying to influence the opinions of American pediatricians and dietitians?

Absolutely nothing.

If your goal was to sabotage a perfectly legitimate thread, you appear to have succeeded.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
31. Evidently sarcasm is not your strong suit
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:36 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.google.com/search?q=liberal+TV+doctor&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

Also, what does your trolling have to do with the fact that Coca-cola (absolutely no one's definition of health food) is trying to influence the opinions of American pediatricians and dietitians?

Absolutely nothing.


I could ask you the same thing.

Next time I'll be sure and consult you before I post for your expert opinion on what can and can't be posted in a thread.

Just so you don't get confused.







 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
50. You're actually the person trolling the thread and refusing to discuss the OP
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 10:48 AM
Oct 2015

You're an angry little corporate defender, but you could at least address the OP amongst all the other junk you're flinging in this thread.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
41. I don't read either but traditional journalism model is busted & not necessarily trustworthy either.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:45 AM
Oct 2015

How does this grab you?

"This story was produced for The Washington Post by Kaiser Health News, an editorially independent program of the Kaiser Family Foundation." KHN ORIGINAL: http://khn.org/news/author/heidi-de-marco/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/with-an-autistic-teenager-life-can-be-very-complicated--and-tiring/2015/09/28/c0c427f0-5be3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html

Coping with Autism and Puberty
SEPTEMBER 29, 2015 By Heidi de Marco KHN ORIGINAL
A family struggles with what to do when an autistic adolescent becomes aggressive.

This story was produced for The Washington Post by Kaiser Health News, an editorially independent program of the Kaiser Family Foundation.

MORE: http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/10/age-of-autism-weekly-wrap-things-go-better-with-massive-conflicts-of-interest.html

https://pando.com/2014/03/27/as-journalisms-traditional-models-collapse-billionaires-are-seeing-a-chance-to-own-both-medium-and-message/

As traditional journalism models collapse, billionaires grab the medium and the message
By David Sirota, written on March 27, 2014




Journalism, as you learn in your first J-school class, is all about the inverted pyramid. It is the shape that haunts you as a writer and guides you as an editor. And now, as evidenced by Pew’s new report on the state of the news, it is a shape that increasingly defines the media industry’s business model. It also explains why we're suddenly seeing a raft of new Citizen Kanes’ investing in media and journalism.

<>

These new Medicis, as Reuters Jack Shafer calls them, know that in the media business, there are two places to make money and gain power: distribution and content production. They know that the business of pure distribution - ie. curation, aggregation etc. - is prone to saturation because the Internet makes distribution a relatively inexpensive endeavor (in fact, it is downright cheap compared to earlier epochs when distribution required capital investments in printing presses, TV studios, radio facilities, etc.). They also know that that distribution isn’t necessarily where the most power is any more than oil futures rather than oil hold the energy economy’s true value.

In short, they know that for all the aggregation, curation and other euphemisms used to describe the act of monetizing others' online content for oneself, the most politically valuable input in the media economy is original journalism at the bottom of the inverted pyramid. Own that, and you control the core message that's being promoted via others' distribution conduits higher up on the inverted pyramid.

Thus, understanding that their comparative advantage over competitors is their money, the oligarchs are investing in the place on the inverted pyramid that can’t be occupied on the cheap - they are investing in original journalism at the bottom. As the pyramid becomes ever more narrow down there and wider at the top, that may destabilize the whole media economy and be terrible for society, but it makes the few oligarchs who own the tiny bottom of the pyramid that much more able to control the content that fuels the whole system.

Appreciating this raw power dynamic suddenly makes billionaires’ recent investments in original journalism seem brilliantly shrewd, rather than altruistic, whimsical, or hobby-ish. Sure, there may be some earnest principle at work, but these are indeed opportunistic moves - the kind that are taking advantage of the fact that publicly traded companies are getting out of the business.

<>

#Transparency

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
42. So you don't read woo, and as proof you cite one of the biggest woo sites on the net, ageofautism
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 03:19 PM
Oct 2015
Age of Autism (often abbreviated to AoA) is a site that hosts the blogs of the ableist leaders in the field of anti-vaccination crankery and has little to do with actual autism other than the false claim that vaccines cause autism.[1] Their bloggers include the likes of Mark Blaxill, David Kirby, J.B. Handley, and, of course, Jenny McCarthy. They also peddle "treatments" for autism produced by alternative medicine woo-meister Lee Silsby, which consist of vitamin supplements and other nature woo. Age of Autism, being the cesspool of the craziest of the anti-vaccine movement, has invoked several arguments horrible in both quality and in taste, which, of course, involves the typical PRATTs of the anti-vaccine movement that can probably fill the entire bingo card.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Age_of_Autism

That's some stone hard core brilliance right there.

As if it weren't easy enough to prove, "I don't read either" is a blatant lie. For those who don't know (I'm sure you do), Naturalnews is run by creme-de-la-crank Mike "Health Ranger" Adams, the very person you are sourcing here(along with another crank site OCA no less), but claim you don't read.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022615340

So please tell us how you don't read Mike Adams again because that shit was hilarious. Damn hilarious even.


proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
44. Wrong. Whatever you find is a one-off story from a tweet not covered elsewhere & none are recent.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

eg. article about petition against GMOs in Girl Scout cookies; reports on allegations of Prop 37 (California GMO Labeling) vote irregularities.

Big whoop. Read around.

Check it out: http://wikipediawehaveaproblem.com/2015/04/revisiting-rational-wiki/

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
45. Please do keep denying it because it's hilarious
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 08:46 PM
Oct 2015

So I'll post the proof again since you want to keep denying it.

I post this:

Sure, we should trust right wing woo mongers like Mercola and Mike Adams


You post this:

41. I don't read either...


I post the proof you read Mike Adams:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022615340




Rome_Vihario! Woomonger extraordinaire!


Check it out: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rome_Viharo

Harassment of Wikipedia editors

Viharo now dedicates a lot of his time stalking the Wikipedia editors (including admins) involved in banning his sockpuppets. A section on his website "Editors and Admins Involved"[46] lists 10 editors, who find their internet activities recorded, as well as slander posted about them. Viharo has continued this cyberbullying off his website, going further to post personal info he can find about the same people.


So this guy claims he has a "hard earned reputation", but was booted off Wikipedia for posting woo, which he even admits. Now you post his self-pity-fest from a site set up exclusively for whining incessantly about getting banned from Wiki.



Thanks what I really love about you PW. When faced with accusations that you flood this site with woo (which anyone who reads your journal would know), you simply flood this site with more woo.

Brilliant!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
3. This sort of BS is happening regularly
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:54 PM
Sep 2015

Doctors, researchers, and yes, political candidates are being swayed and corrupted by corporate influence.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
26. Most of the posts on this thread have nothing to do with the article
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:04 AM
Sep 2015

I hope I'm not the only one who noticed this.

It reminds me of what they used to say about notorious segregationist Governor George Wallace. No matter what you asked him about he'd always find a way somehow to squeeze in the phrase "busin' li'l school children."

Epic digression notwithstanding, does anyone actually think it's a good idea that notoriously unhealthy Coca-Cola is showering pediatricians with branded tchotchkes? How would you feel if your doctor came back from a convention carrying a Marlboro tote bag?

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
29. Definitely not the only one who noticed that.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:50 AM
Sep 2015

Nor that today's disruptor admitted that he is a) trolling and b) stalking the person
who replied to the OP thread:
>> Each time I pull your chain a response comes out. I'm saving them all for later.

Sadly not unusual behaviour but it is their OP as it diverts the thread from raising
people's awareness of the extent of bribery of the "professional experts" by the
corporate manufacturer of the products that said experts should be warning against ...


Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
36. Good question
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:28 PM
Sep 2015

My answer is I really could give a shit less whose name is on my doctor's tote bag. Anyone who has actually been to just about any convention knows they are routinely sponsored by all sorts of organizations that routinely give out all sorts of shit with their company names and logos plastered all over them which everyone throws in the garbage the day after they get back. If I thought my doctor could be bribed with cheap convention junk, I probably wouldn't be going to that doctor in the first place.

As far as the OP goes, near as I can tell it's just another "click me" headline with very little in the way of substance underneath. If Coke wants to fund groups that are advising people that some of Coke's products can lead to obesity, where exactly is the problem? The thing about quid-pro-quo is that when you forget to include the quo, your allegation kinda falls flat. There's exactly zero evidence presented that Coke is using the promise of any funds or the withholding of any funds to unethically influence anyone. Coke is fully disclosing the groups they are giving money to and those groups are fully disclosing that they are getting money from Coke. Kinda hard to get a conspiracy theory going there, yet the OP tries anyway.

The study listed by the OP, if anyone bothered to actually find it (I suspect most can't be bothered with such factual details), clearly indicates it's funded by Coke. It also clearly indicates that it is researching lifestyle choices and not dietary ones. So the OP is implying Coke is somehow throwing out wrong information that was never even in the scope of the research to begin with. So who really is being misleading here?

The OP goes on to fault Coke because another organization it funds recommends people substitute flavored water, tea, and diet soda for sugary drinks because Coke sells those products too (as if every other drink manufacturer doesn't).

So is there a hazard to American's pouring 152 lbs of sugar down their gullet each year? Undoubtedly. Does Coke deserve part of the credit for this? Undoubtedly. Yet somehow from the OP we must derive that Coke is even more to blame because they are funding efforts to tell people they need to consume less sugar and exercise more because they are handing out $1 tote bags at medical conventions.

So now you have something that has everything to do with this article. Feel free to claim I'm on Coke's payroll or offer some other half-fast snarkery as I'm sure someone will. I can always use the entertainment.

WestSeattle2

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43. Honestly, how many parents don't realize how foolish
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 05:30 PM
Oct 2015

it is to allow a kid to consume that crap on a regular basis? It really shouldn't matter how much Coke, and other purveyors of junk food spend. What's next, HealthySmokers.org?

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