Kentucky clerk Kim Davis in secret meeting with Pope Francis, report says
Source: The Guardian
According to a statement posted on the website of Christian lobby group the Liberty Council, Pope Francis met Davis and her husband, Joe, at the Vatican’s Washington DC embassy on Thursday. The statement carries the stamp of the Liberty Council’s founder and chairman, Matt Staver, who is acting as Davis’s lawyer in her dispute with the court.
The statement, which is based on a report from Inside The Vatican, says that the pope thanked Davis for her “courage” and told her to “stay strong”. He then said he would pray for her and presented both her and her husband with a rosary, the Liberty Council claimed.
Davis is then quoted as saying that she was “humbled” by the experience: “I never thought I would meet the pope. Who am I to have this rare opportunity? I am just a county clerk who loves Jesus and desires with all my heart to serve him.”
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/30/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-in-secret-meeting-with-pope-francis-report-says
Since she apparently doesn't think the Pope is Christian (her "conversion" to Christianity came from being a Baptist), I wonder why she'd spend time with such a heathen?
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PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)
brooklynite
(94,383 posts)
woodsprite
(11,905 posts)But it's OK, she can do anything she wants because Jesus forgives.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)lawyer (proven liar) and a proven lying website. I'm not buying this shit no matter what major MSM grabs this croc by the tail.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)to show a September 13th rally with 100,000 people attending. Bogus from the git go.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)it's not like there was a shortage of media people there. Someone must have seen her go in or out if this is true.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)I mean, "lawyer."
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/29/3706790/liberty-counsel-kim-davis-retraction/
After spending Monday defending the photo, Liberty Counsel has admitted that it is not of a Kim Davis rally. In fact, they no longer claim that any rally whatsoever took place for Davis in Peru, but merely that some people in Peru prayed for her.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,568 posts)A non-photoshopped image, preferably.
The Pope was here for x number of hours; it strains belief that he would spend any of that precious time with someone who didn't believe his religion was Christian (or at least the right kind of Christian). It sounds like the fraudulent photo they posted showing 100,000 people gathering in Brazil to pray for Davis.
I'm surprised they didn't say that the Pope felt honored to meet Kimmy, and was considering her for sainthood.
coprolite
(170 posts)if you drill down through the links,
http://insidethevatican.com/news/letter-38-2015-kim-and-francis
the is no record of the meeting, how convenient....
Monk06
(7,675 posts)Lychee2
(405 posts)Kim Davis, Kentucky County Clerk, Met Pope Francis
Pope Francis met privately in Washington last week with Kim Davis, the county clerk in Kentucky who defied a court order to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, a Vatican spokesman confirmed on Wednesday.
Ms. Davis, the clerk in Rowan County, has been at the center of a nationwide controversy over whether government employees and private businesses have a legal right to refuse to serve same-sex couples. She spent five days in jail for disobeying a federal court order to issue the licenses.
On Tuesday night, her lawyer, Mathew D. Staver, said in a telephone interview that Ms. Davis and her husband, Joe, were sneaked into the Vatican Embassy by car on Thursday afternoon. Francis gave her rosaries and told her to “stay strong,” the lawyer said. The couple met for about 15 minutes with the pope, who was accompanied by security guards, aides and photographers. Mr. Staver said he expected to receive photographs of the meeting from the Vatican soon.
On Wednesday, the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, confirmed that the meeting took place, but he declined to elaborate. “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add,” he said.
Ms. Davis described the meeting in an interview on Wednesday with ABC News.
“I put my hand out and he reached and he grabbed it, and I hugged him and he hugged me,” Ms. Davis said. “And he said, ‘Thank you for your courage.’ ”
“I was crying. I had tears coming out of my eyes,” she said. “I’m just a nobody, so it was really humbling to think he would want to meet or know me.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0
Do you buy that?
totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)The Pope is his own man. And he and the Catholic church are still taking a hostile stance toward LGBT people.
totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)It's just that I am royally pissed at this guy who takes us all for a ride and then once he is safely back at the Vatican his true character comes out. Sorry, I shouldn't have taken it out on you. And at first I didn't want to believe it either.
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)I have mixed feelings about the Pope. He's very progressive, true, but he's got the giant Vatican bureaucracy behind him, so maybe can only go so far.
But still the guy's against abortion, which I'm for (access for all women to these services - between them and their Dr, you know - none of my business), and against gay marriage and other rights the LGBT community has recently acquired after long, hard battle. So, you know, I'm not saying the Pope is the end-all be-all.
He has said some really good stuff about wealth inequality, capitalism and the environment, though. Gotta give him that. He's right on those things.
I guess it's kind of an 'on the other hand' kind of situation - you've heard the story of Harry Truman asking for a 'one-armed economist' haven't you? When asked why, he replied he was tired of the economists always saying, "Well, on the other hand..."
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Yeah just like the prayer meeting in Peru pure grade a bullshit.
Demit
(11,238 posts)The site's author says "there is no recording of this conversation, or photographs, as far as I know" but that "Kim Davis gave me this account of the meeting shortly after it took place." He says "Vatican sources have confirmed to me that this meeting did occur; the occurrence of this meeting is not in doubt." http://insidethevatican.com/news/letter-38-2015-kim-and-francis
That is so totally believable!
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)
Richard D
(8,741 posts)I mean, we all know attorneys never lie.
Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)The C church might work with her on limiting abortion rights if she is a true born again doing everything for JC..... however I bet they knew she was a grafter with shifty eyes the minute they met, if they even did.
WheelWalker
(8,954 posts)Lychee2
(405 posts)So this is very special. The Pope is building an ecumenical bridge to fundamentalist Christians.
demosincebirth
(12,530 posts)
delrem
(9,688 posts)And her husband got one too?
A rosary, beads for reciting a prayer to Mary, "Hail Mary, full of grace. Our Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Amen."
That's pretty funny, dagnabbit!
xfundy
(5,105 posts)political 'christian' christofascists' attempts to present a "united front." More repig bullshit, showing how they've turned religion into politics. They all still hate each other and claim the others are going to 'hell.' As they have for centuries and always will.
It's Coke VS Pepsi and they both have their adherents who will swear allegiance till the end of time. Which they both want to happen soon.
Mira
(22,380 posts)
Retrograde
(10,130 posts)for a 2-bit county clerk? Who isn't Catholic?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)
Gman
(24,780 posts)It never happened.
catchnrelease
(1,944 posts)The pope took photos with everyone--kids, people in the crowds, politicians, even the Obama dogs! And you're telling me this clerk person wouldn't have taken pictures with him?? Totally out of character imo. And they'd be shown all over the place.
No. Way.
progree
(10,894 posts)http://news.yahoo.com/pope-wades-u-gay-marriage-debate-historic-visit-192049390.html
Pope Francis waited until his historic U.S. visit was over to make his most direct comments on the nation's debate over gay marriage, saying government officials should have the right to refrain from actions that violate their religious beliefs.
That statement came in response to a reporter's question on the papal plane about Kim Davis
"Conscientious objection must enter into every juridical structure because it is a right," Francis told reporters, speaking in Italian. "If someone does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right."
Francis alluded to the Roman Catholic Church's objections to gay marriage during some of his U.S. talks, citing concerns about "juridical" changes to the definition of the family. Still, he largely avoided the issue, the subject of intense debate.
senz
(11,945 posts)It sounds totally out of character for Pope Francis. Sounds like Kim wants more attention. Am also pretty sure that the Pope, if asked, won't say anything on the subject because it's trivial and gossipy.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Just from meeting him once or twice? Or from reading about him in the always-reliable, always-comprehensive media?
totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)He says he doesn't know of any specific case. He says the conscientious objector can not infringe on the rights of others. Yet Kim claims she met with him only a few day before.
"Inside the Vatican" is an online newsletter from Kentucky. It claims there was no planned meeting. Kim and her husband just stopped by at embassy and the Pope agreed to see them after having addressed Congress, having a meeting with President Obama and attending luncheon and giving blessing at St. Patrick’s Catholic Church in D.C. and Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Washington. He had a 4 pm flight from DC to NYC.
So I'm going to have to call the meeting with Kim a total BS story.
Kim couldn't even be married in a Catholic Church unless she got 4 annulments.
CincyDem
(6,338 posts)
...there was no planned meeting. Kim and her husband just stopped by at embassy and the Pope agreed to see them after having addressed Congress, having a meeting with President Obama...
So I was driving in DC, ya know, and we was driving down Mass Avenue. It was so cool, ya know, and we says "look, isn't that the pope's place". Ya know, we had to drop by cuz, well, ya know - we was there and everything.
Sounds like a Morello story from OITNB. Hard for me to believe that Frank does "unplanned" these days.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)... that can exist".
Holy Father, thank you, thank you very much and thank you to the Vatican staff as well. Holy Father, you visited the Little Sisters of the Poor and we were told that you wanted to show your support for them and their case in the courts. And, Holy Father, do you also support those individuals, including government officials, who say they cannot in good conscience, their own personal conscience, abide by some laws or discharge their duties as government officials, for example in issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples. Do you support those kinds of claims of religious liberty?
Pope Francis:
I can’t have in mind all cases that can exist about conscience objection. But, yes, I can say the conscientious objection is a right that is a part of every human right. It is a right. And if a person does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right.Conscientious objection must enter into every juridical structure because it is a right, a human right. Otherwise we would end up in a situation where we select what is a right, saying 'this right that has merit, this one does not.' It (conscientious objection) is a human right. It always moved me when I read, and I read it many times, when I read the “Chanson de Roland” when the people were all in line and before them was the baptismal font and they had to choose between the baptismal font or the sword. They had to choose. They weren’t permitted conscientious objection. It is a right and if we want to make peace we have to respect all rights.
Terry Moran, ABC News:
Would that include government officials as well?
Pope Francis:
It is a human right and if a government official is a human person, he has that right. It is a human right.
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis-im-not-a-star-but-the-servant-of-serv
When did he say "the conscientious objector can not infringe on the rights of others"?
There's nothing in the Inside the Vatican article that claimed the meeting was not planned. It does say that Davis talked to a monsignor earlier. It doesn't say they "just stopped by".
How reliable Moynihan is (who wrote the Inside the Vatican article, and founded the magazine), I have no idea. He had conversations with Ratzinger over 20 years, according to a book he wrote on him, so he does seem to have considerable Vatican links.
FreedomRain
(413 posts)Of course she has the right to object. The proper mechanism is to quit.
/yeah I doubt the meeting too
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Why do you doubt the meeting? Do you have faith that the pope always does the right thing?
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,568 posts)for their actions, only that they have the right to be conscientious objectors and others should respect that. To interpret that comment as approval for Kim Davis to keep her job while defying the law is a stretch. During the Vietnam War many conscientious objectors ended up in jail. Same for civil rights workers (who were conscientious objectors to the status quo).
Kim Davis is paid $80,000/year, which puts her in the top 20% of incomes in her county. She is paid by the taxpayers to meet their needs, not hers. Her duties are clearly defined by statute and now by the courts. She is not to interfere with the rights of gay applicants to get valid marriage licenses.
If she doesn't want to do that for any reason or no reason then she should quit or be removed from office or jailed without pay until she is willing to do her job.
During the Clinton years Susan McDougal served 22 months -- 18 for contempt of court -- for refusing to answer three questions involving the veracity of Clinton's Whitewater testimony. Her actions were much, much less serious than Davis's, inasmuch as they did not impinge on the rights of others and did not involve performance of government required duties.
Jail for Kimmy!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)as an example of not properly allowing for conscientious objection, and when asked to clarify about government officials, he said "they're humans too, so they have the human right of conscientious objection", without ever saying "they have duties to carry out" or "they can resign", it looks like he thinks they should be able to remain government officials, without having to give up their position.
I agree with what you say about how Davis should carry out her duties. But it doesn't look like the pope does - he thinks government officials still get to object, and remain government officials.
I know people love to think the pope is a liberal who agrees with us, but he's not.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)which we do
he never said it should be free of civil consequences. the cc has always maintained that moral law is paramount but is aware that civil penalties might apply.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)He didn't say it was a right that involved becoming an ex-government official.
Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, wants legislation to "allow a public official to be able to serve in a way that doesn't compromise their religious convictions": http://www.whas11.com/story/news/local/community/2015/09/10/archbishop-joseph-kurtz-same-sex-marriage/72006042/
Darb
(2,807 posts)None of that says that they can institute their beliefs into the law. If they want to avoid the matter, then fine, don't give the licenses. But I don't read that to mean that the objector can change the law. Did you read that?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)I said that the archbishop wants the law changed. Listen to the interview.
"If they want to avoid the matter, then fine, don't give the licenses."
If they do that while still being a government official, then they're not doing the job they're paid for. That's not 'fine'.
I think 'reaching' is when people take a comment in favour of 'conscientious objection' about granting same-sex marriages by the pope, and they think that doesn't show the pope supports Davis.
Darb
(2,807 posts)If they are elected, obviously, there is a problem, you cannot just fire them. They can of course be beaten at the ballot box, but if not, what next? Someone else does the job.
And by the way, the opinion of some bishop is not all that, obviously, and same goes for the Pope. The law is in place and gay couples can get married.
This is much ado about nothing. I have had it out with others on this and I pretty much think that picking battles is of great import. Attacking the Pope over him saying objectors should be able to object is not good form and is not a winning strategy. IMHO.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Jolly good, I must obey good form at all times. If that means calling a reporter a liar, because it's good form to prefer that to thinking the pope might support someone who is, like the pope, against same-sex marriage, then I suppose I'll do that.
But wait - Christians aren't meant to bear false witness. So is it OK to say someone is lying, when I just don't know one way or the other? Can you help me - should I go along with the majority in this thread and accuse Moynihan of lying, when we have no idea if he is or not?
Darb
(2,807 posts)The Pope hate is too strong to fight in some. I'm not necessarily talking about you, but some here say some pretty harsh shit about the Pope because he doesn't, apparently, change the Catholic Church's teaching to suit their opinion on same-sex marriage.
I love me some snark, so touche' to that. But, really, all I am saying is attacking this particular Pope because he doesn't espouse every single thing that one wants is pretty god-damned stupid, ferchrissakes. Another opinion, of course.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that is what this discussion was originally about. kurtz and i am sure many religious want to have their cake and eat it too. but the original story about the pope meeting davis and standing behind her, sounds like bullshit to me.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)You think that Robert Moynihan is lying about a Vatican contact confirming this. OK, how well do you know Moynihan's work? This is the first I've heard of him. But he does look like he's had significant Vatican contacts for over 20 years, so he's established in reporting about the Catholic church. Do you think he'd risk that with a direct lie - or hope that the Vatican likes him so much they'll cover up for him?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but do I think someone is so tied to their agenda and so committed that they will lie and possibly risk their reputation? Yes, yes I do. I don't know this guy either but if he is a homophobic wacko, then he could easily lie about this to advance his agenda.
without a photo or without the pope himself coming forward and saying he met with her, there's no proof and it becomes he said he said. Some people willing to take that risk.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Jesus was clear, Caesar gets his share and God gets his share. And yes he did mention Caesar first.
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
I don't think what people are taking from it is actually what the Pope said. I don't think he meant people should defy the law of the land.
As an agnostic I like this Pope but can take what he says or disregard if it doesn't fit reality.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)is correct, even required, in certain cases. they have used the example of people hiding Jews from the Nazis even though it didn't comply with the Nazi order to turn them in. As to the Davis case, she is free to exercise her right to civil disobedience, but it isn't necessarily without consequence. catholics have always understood that there may be civil penalties for disobeying the law, in this case she might lose her job or go to jail.
I agree with you that people are weaving all kinds of things into the Popes comments, either because it feeds their own agenda, or makes for a better headline to sell newspapers. All he said was that people have the right to conscientiously object. Now everybody's writing into it what they want it to say.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)He said that government officials should be allowed to be conscientious objectors to same-sex marriage.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Strictly speaking a conscientious objector does not participate in the process they are objecting to. Davis picked a side in the battle and was an active participant for what one could say is equivalent to the enemy. That is not being a conscientious objector.
For example if Davis worked for a butcher shop that did not handle pork and did every part of the job she was asked to do that would be as expected. But if the shop decided to start carrying pork and Davis then refused to handle pork in any way a solution would then be needed. Davis could be assigned to do the beef and chicken and allow others to handle the pork, that could be one solution. But if Davis refused to handle the pork or allow others to handle the pork too, then there would be a problem. Then the solution is to replace Davis, unfortunately in the actual case Davis is running the butcher shop which complicates matters.
If the Pope wants our laws changed to allow religious discrimination then he is advocating for the equivalent of Sharia law, that can not happen in a free society. The Pope should know better and I think he does.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Is an online monthly newsletter from Kentucky. I wouldn't trust it as being reliable on anything.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)and has been used for comment on Catholic matters by CNN, for instance: http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/pope/stories/bio3/
Now, that doesn't say anything about his character, and whether he'd lie. But the fact that it's online (as well as being published in print), or 'from Kentucky' (if you say so, though Moynihan's bio says he lives in Maryland), doesn't mean anything either.
totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)No wonder he gave her encouragement.
Pope has said some good things but he's not a liberal.
This doesn't surprise me.
I'm not sure he was saying the state shouldn't sanction gay marriage, more that maybe they could get somebody else to do it if the person morally objected to doing it.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)btw this Pope doesn't give private meetings
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)It's from the magazine Inside the Vatican: http://insidethevatican.com/news/letter-38-2015-kim-and-francis
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/27/pope-meets-with-sexual-abuse-victims-philadelphia
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11371770/Transgender-man-invited-to-private-meeting-by-Pope-Francis.html
http://time.com/4048206/heres-what-pope-francis-gave-speaker-john-boehner/
etc.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Sitnexto Kim Davis @nexttokimdavis Sep 23
Hey, @paulafaris, if you're ever interested in interviewing someone who does their job and refills the coffee, give me a ring.
Sitnexto Kim Davis @nexttokimdavis Sep 23
BTW - Any time #KimDavis comes out of the office, she's holding her @GMA coffee mug. I don't think there's even anything in it.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)
Enrique
(27,461 posts)just going by the odds.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)The Pope seemed to be very will to pose for photos and I'm sure he would have been happy to pose for a photo with Kim Davis if she had a chance to meet with him.
If Ms Davis is telling us the truth the post a photo. Else pretty much STFU because from what I can tell that guy had a schedule that was pretty tight and doubtful he was taking random visits. As someone who was a volunteer up in Philly they had the Police, the National Guard, the Secret Service, TSA and Border Patrol all surrounding this guy so I'd like to know how she managed to slip through and manage to meet with him especially if she was not on the schedule.
Post a photo with him and we'll all shut up and say that's nice. Because unlike you Ms. Davis, the Pope would be happy to meet with anyone even hateful women from Kentucky.
sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)and his telling 'Christians' to help the poor.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I bet she doesn't run again for the county clerk position.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)where are her photos?
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Darb
(2,807 posts)And you crybabies know who you are.
WHAAWHAAWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It's all about you, ain't it blue?
Peaceout.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and not afraid to share knowledge.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Now I see that, it was a far worst post that I thought. Directed name calling, rather than just a scattergun "those meanies who don't like Francis".
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)antique drug reference clearly chosen because that drug was, decades ago, associate with the LGBT community. Of course they are no longer manufactured, not available and are virtually unknown to anyone under 45 but it is better than a poppers reference I think.
Darb
(2,807 posts)a Pope bashing tickle party. How fun!
Darb
(2,807 posts)Informed, I'll give you that one, by default, I guess. Wise? Not so much.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)You decided to call someone out before they even took part in the thread, and call them names?
That's not very grown-up of you.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)Ms. Davis' lawyer said that photos would be posted soon of her meeting with the pope. I'm reserving judgment until that happens. While I am no longer a Roman Catholic, I had some respect for Francis because of his stands on global climate change and capitalism. However, because I have GLBTQ friends and family members, equality, in marriage and in all other areas, is a major issue for me. Francis' comment about government officials needing to have their religious rights protected was jarring enough, but if he did meet with this individual, I will loose whatever respect I once had for him.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)religious right wing in this country. The fact is that Kim Davis got an award in DC on Friday from Tony Perkins, the head of Family Research Council. Another fact is that Tony Perkins and his organization have been invited participants in Vatican conferences to oppose marriage equality, Tony and the Pope have been in the same room because Tony was invited there by the Vatican.
Kim is small fry compared to Perkins, or the rest of them. Read this if you want to.
Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage
"The presence of American evangelicals and the LDS Church was particularly notable. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, and Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, each gave speeches, and representatives from the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council in Washington attended. President Henry Eyring of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ first presidency spoke and Elder Tom Perry of the LDS’s Quorum of the Twelve also joined. In the United States, this trio of faiths has worked together to stand against the government’s Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate, but it was the first time they were coming together at the Vatican to talk about marriage."
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/
Javaman
(62,504 posts)1) the "meeting" info was released by her crazy ass lawyer.
2) she will follow the lead of her mouth piece.
3) the pope won't say a thing because, either it didn't happen or he really doesn't give a shit one way or another.
-the popes silence will only help kim(eh)and her defense team.
so this means they can keep saying all kinds of shit took place when it probably never did. as a result they get a free pass for their grifting stupidity.
it still amazes me that she still has a job.
RKP5637
(67,089 posts)fly around spreading her hateful gospel.
Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)aceofblades
(73 posts)he's met with convicted felons so this would just be a lawbreaker of a different type...
I understand the concern however in legitimizing her "grievance"
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)That's the difference.
aceofblades
(73 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,319 posts)Adding to the story, already linked, in the New York Times.
What would Jack Chick say about this?
Chick Cartoon Tracts
Google Images for "jack chick pope"
Don't blame me; he's the guy drawing that stuff.
Kentucky clerk Kim Davis met privately with Pope Francis, Vatican confirms
By Abby Ohlheiser and Justin Wm. Moyer September 30 at 10:25 AM
@justinwmmoyer
Pope Francis met with Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis during the pope’s visit to the United States, the Vatican confirmed on Wednesday morning.
Rev. Manuel Dorantes, a spokesman for the Vatican, said to The Washington Post, “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no comments to add.”
The meeting between Davis, who went to jail for six days after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, and the pope was announced late Tuesday by Liberty Counsel, a religious freedom nonprofit that is representing the elected Rowan County clerk in her ongoing legal struggles.
Liberty Counsel said in a news release that Davis and her husband, Joe, met privately with Francis at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington last Thursday. The pair chatted about bravery, then hugged and exchanged promises of prayer, according to the news release.
Would Woodward and Bernstein have been allowed to run with a story based on the quote “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no comments to add”?
wordpix
(18,652 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Kind of like the Pope meeting with nazis.
Lychee2
(405 posts)Richard D
(8,741 posts)Opinion of pope just fell a few notches
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)or not. Quit making excuses for this bigot.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,319 posts)By Michelle Boorstein, Sarah Pulliam Bailey and Abby Ohlheiser September 30 at 11:53 AM
After going to jail for six days after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis has become perhaps the most controversial icon in the debate over about what constitutes religious freedom. That’s why news that Davis, an evangelical Christian, had a private audience with Pope Francis last week during his trip to Washington has set off furious analysis about just what message the super-popular pontiff might have been trying to send.
The meeting only became public late Tuesday, when Davis’ attorney was quoted as saying it had happened. Rev. Manuel Dorantes, a Vatican spokesman, on Wednesday said this: “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no comments to add.”
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{Longtime Vatican analyst John Allen} said the pope made clear through his meeting with Davis and comments he made in the United States that he stands strongly behind U.S. bishops, who have framed the freedom of religious conservatives as being under serious threat with the advance of gay marriage, among other developments. The bishops have made this cause their top priority in recent years. They — and other, non-Catholic religious conservatives –say religious-freedom conflicts are jeopardizing the massive social service partnerships between the government and faith-based groups. The Catholic church already pulled out of foster care in Massachusetts, for example, after the state said that same-sex couples must be considered as potential foster parents. Some faith-based non-profits fear losing their tax-exempt status if they won’t give health care to same-sex spouses of employees, or if they make other policy decisions that could be considered discriminatory but are in accordance with their religious beliefs.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)If the Pope met with Kim or the Easter Bunny. They are both looking to cash in on the invisible man in the sky.