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kpete

(71,954 posts)
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:22 PM Oct 2015

Gov. Brown Signs End of Life Option Act, Legalizing Assisted Suicide for Terminally Ill

Source: KTLA

Caught between conflicting moral arguments, Gov. Jerry Brown, a former Jesuit seminary student, on Monday signed a measure allowing physicians to prescribe lethal doses of drugs to terminally ill patients who want to hasten their deaths.

Approving the bill, whose opponents included the Catholic Church, appeared to be a gut-wrenching decision for the 77-year-old governor, who as a young man studied to enter the priesthood.

In considering it, Brown said he had to “reflect on what I would want in the face of my own death.”

California becomes the fifth state to allow assisted suicide, following Oregon, Washington, Montana and Vermont.

Read more: http://ktla.com/2015/10/05/gov-brown-signs-medical-aid-in-dying-bill-legalizing-assisted-suicide-in-california/

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Gov. Brown Signs End of Life Option Act, Legalizing Assisted Suicide for Terminally Ill (Original Post) kpete Oct 2015 OP
Thank you Jerry ripcord Oct 2015 #1
Way to go, Jerry! </sarc> KamaAina Oct 2015 #2
as a presently healthy person in the "autumn of life" I respectfully disagree.... mike_c Oct 2015 #3
....x10+ 840high Oct 2015 #20
+1 Ruby the Liberal Oct 2015 #22
+1,000!!!!!!!!!!! n/t baran Oct 2015 #27
x10000 and as my mother's end-of-life caregiver for 6 yrs. may I say wordpix Oct 2015 #28
Wow! I'm really surprised you feel that way lunatica Oct 2015 #7
"No one is forcing anyone to end their life." KamaAina Oct 2015 #25
what koolaid are you drinking? Your friends in wheelchairs need some good comebacks wordpix Oct 2015 #30
Actually, I'm trying to keep from drinking any Kool-Aid. KamaAina Oct 2015 #33
Who is "we"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #38
Disability rights activists KamaAina Oct 2015 #40
Its simple. Don't like assisted suicide? Don't use it. Just don't deprive others of the choice. Hoppy Oct 2015 #23
I think I owe you a more detailed response than an earlier one to this post. Hoppy Oct 2015 #43
"He was now left... without the ability to express his needs except to write on a chalkboard" KamaAina Oct 2015 #44
After he acquired a disability, his organs began to shut down. There was the focus of my concern. Hoppy Oct 2015 #45
Bless you, Jerry. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #4
Thank you Gov. Brown. kairos12 Oct 2015 #5
Thank you Jerry! SoapBox Oct 2015 #6
Yes! Thank you Jerry Brown lunatica Oct 2015 #8
This law would not help you maggies farm Oct 2015 #35
He's been great for this state solar Max Oct 2015 #9
I voted for Jerry Brown when he ran for President of the USA! CountAllVotes Oct 2015 #12
Washington, Oregon, and now California. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #10
Yeah, can't you just SEE some suffering individual Plucketeer Oct 2015 #15
WhatdafuxamatterU? You're suppose to offer up your pain and suffering to release the souls Hoppy Oct 2015 #24
K&R LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #11
Sometimes the cancer spreads and can't be stopped olddots Oct 2015 #13
Thank you Governor Brown stopwastingmymoney Oct 2015 #14
Thank you, Gov. Brown perdita9 Oct 2015 #16
It's the right thing to do, Governor ... Auggie Oct 2015 #17
I wish Nebraska would do this for me! Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #18
Good. 840high Oct 2015 #19
Not a fan of Jerry Brown vlakitti Oct 2015 #21
K&R demmiblue Oct 2015 #26
Good on him. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #29
Hopefully there will be other brave people who will step up and allow a person to die with dignity. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #31
Thank you, Governor. Bonobo Oct 2015 #32
Unfortunately does not go far enough. maggies farm Oct 2015 #34
Good! Even suffering pets can be euthanized. Humans should have that right, too. valerief Oct 2015 #36
Jerry has been veddy, veddy good flamingdem Oct 2015 #37
I had signed up earlier this year to be a volunteer for this organization/cause if necessary. nirvana555 Oct 2015 #39
I hope you can find a way to send flamingdem Oct 2015 #42
yes, I was worried Ca.would never get rid of The Terminator :) Sunlei Oct 2015 #47
Looks like I'm retiring in CA when the time comes ... Myrina Oct 2015 #41
I hope the for profit prisons don't ramp-up use of this new law to get rid of the not profitable, Sunlei Oct 2015 #46
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
2. Way to go, Jerry! </sarc>
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:26 PM
Oct 2015

Now the insurance companies won't have to pay for those pesky cancer treatments. This has already happened twice in Oregon -- that we know of. And as a person with a disability, it's nice to know that my life isn't valued here as much as in 45 other states.

mike_c

(36,263 posts)
3. as a presently healthy person in the "autumn of life" I respectfully disagree....
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:34 PM
Oct 2015

I'm very happy to have legal control over the time and manner of my death. I don't look forward to slowly choking on my own fluids or some of the many other nasty ways to die a lingering death just to serve as an illustration of some one else's morals and ethics.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
28. x10000 and as my mother's end-of-life caregiver for 6 yrs. may I say
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:09 PM
Oct 2015

I am all for choosing the time/manner of my own death, too. Prop me up by a window with a water view and goodbye.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. Wow! I'm really surprised you feel that way
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:13 PM
Oct 2015

No one is forcing anyone to end their life. Would you force others to suffer for years waiting to die naturally just to make you happy?

I believe you wouldn't because I think you've always been a kind person.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
25. "No one is forcing anyone to end their life."
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oct 2015

That is precisely what we're concerned about. I have friends who are wheelchair users who get told, to their faces, "I'd rather be dead than be like you".

Now imagine the preson saying that is wearing a white lab coat and holding a syringe.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
30. what koolaid are you drinking? Your friends in wheelchairs need some good comebacks
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:14 PM
Oct 2015

but that has nothing to do with the issue we're talking about. Nor is anyone coming by to put away anyone else with a syringe, unless the "victim," an adult, has asked for it by choosing his time and place to end his own life.

You make this sound like it's murder. It's not. It's physician-assisted suicide and now it's legal in CA. Hurray! Wish it were legal in my state and I think I'll work on it.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
38. Who is "we"?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:06 AM
Oct 2015

You and whomever else is apparently oblivious to the idea of a living will.

If you wish that all extraordinary means be made to save your life, go draw up a will stating as such. Even though almost every law on the books makes your position the default position anyway.


 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
23. Its simple. Don't like assisted suicide? Don't use it. Just don't deprive others of the choice.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:06 PM
Oct 2015
 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
43. I think I owe you a more detailed response than an earlier one to this post.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:05 PM
Oct 2015

My support of assisted suicide comes from watching my father slowly die from cancer. He was diagnosed in July of 1998 with throat cancer. He was 85. Surgeon removed his larynx and believed he had removed all of the cancer.

He didn't.

The cancer returned with a vengeance... described as aggressive. He was now left with pain, discomfort and without the ability to express his needs except to write on a chalkboard.... Water... Change my position, prop me up... and so forth.

The oncologist said the best we could hope for was a heart attack in response to the stress and pain he would experience. He entered hospice in September. From there, things went slowly downhill until he started to drift into coma. That was in November. A nurse told my mother they would have to sew his eyelids shut because his eyes were not generating enough moisture and they would dry up and shrink unless someone was there to moisten his eyes. My mother stayed with him 18 to 20 hours each day.

By December, there was little interaction with him. He continued mostly unconscious until he finally died on Christmas, 1998.

I don't know if he would have wanted assisted suicide if it were available to him. All I know is that if it were me, I would have done so by October of that year.

I do not want to consider the thought of my dying under similar circumstances.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
44. "He was now left... without the ability to express his needs except to write on a chalkboard"
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:58 PM
Oct 2015

In other words, he had acquired a disability. This is what concerns us.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
45. After he acquired a disability, his organs began to shut down. There was the focus of my concern.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:51 AM
Oct 2015

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
6. Thank you Jerry!
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

And, I assume that this will be very similar to Oregon's law.

One cannot just make a snap decision...it is a process and has multiple layers...you must be able to make you own decision, being of "sound" mind...It will give those that are facing a terminal disease, the ability to control how the end of their life happens.

NO ONE can force a person to use this system...I heard this used a couple of times to protest against such laws. I say, BUTT out of this process.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
8. Yes! Thank you Jerry Brown
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:16 PM
Oct 2015

I wonder if there's some legality some of us can do so it's known now that if the time comes and we have Dementia, that your wishes will be honored. I know my mother made me her Power Of Attorney and made a will saying she did not want to be kept alive by a machine.

 

maggies farm

(79 posts)
35. This law would not help you
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:20 AM
Oct 2015

Power of attorney does not suffice as it is presently. the person with dementia cannot allow someone else to be a surrogate in the decision. With the projected increase in Parkinson's all neurological degenerative conditions needs some alteration of the law to facilitate them allowing love ones - legal guardians with power of attorney to help follow through in what the person with dementia would have wanted known long before their final 6 months.

 

solar Max

(54 posts)
9. He's been great for this state
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

Too bad he's not running for POTUS. I'd vote for him, and wouldn't give a damn about his age!

CountAllVotes

(20,863 posts)
12. I voted for Jerry Brown when he ran for President of the USA!
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:12 PM
Oct 2015

It was a long time ago in the late 1970s. He was a fierce candidate at the time wearing a sleek pin stripe suit and screaming at the top of his lungs that he was a running for President of the United States of America.

He is a fine example of what a real American is -- a man that has spent most of his life in public service.

I'd vote for him in a second if he were to run for president again -- damn right I would!!

((((Jerry Brown))))

I knew Gov. Brown would NEVER allow personal beliefs to effect anything on his agenda and that he would honor what We the People want!

& recommend!!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
10. Washington, Oregon, and now California.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:00 PM
Oct 2015

Yay for our west coast!

Personally, I feel peace of mind knowing I can end my life if it becomes unbearable.

And, once again, the fucking Catholic Church is on the side of suffering and the oppression of freedom.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
15. Yeah, can't you just SEE some suffering individual
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:23 PM
Oct 2015

in extreme pain - saying: "No Thanks. This is what God has planned for me. I know all my beloved are feeling good about witnessing my unbearable misery as I linger on in pain!"

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
24. WhatdafuxamatterU? You're suppose to offer up your pain and suffering to release the souls
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:08 PM
Oct 2015

in Purgatory.

LostOne4Ever

(9,283 posts)
11. K&R
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]AS should be legalized nationwide![/font]

stopwastingmymoney

(2,041 posts)
14. Thank you Governor Brown
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:22 PM
Oct 2015

I want this option for myself and believe I have a right to it.

I'm glad to be a Californian, today and always (well except that one time in 2008 )

vlakitti

(401 posts)
21. Not a fan of Jerry Brown
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 07:48 PM
Oct 2015

at all. He's an austerity freak and a neoliberal in his present incarnation, but his decision to sign this bill is terribly impressive and important to me.

So at least 2 cheers for Jerry, here! You did something good.

 

maggies farm

(79 posts)
34. Unfortunately does not go far enough.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:11 AM
Oct 2015

A friend of mine that I helped to caretake died of Huntington's Disease recently. The problem is that people that suffer from neurological disorders typically by the last 6 months of their lives cannot legally make the choice to end their life because they no longer have the cognitive ability. It is common for many people diagnosed with Huntington's' to initially go through a suicidal stage and are often prescribed medication for the ensuing depression (because it passes in the family genetics and they have witnessed family members succumb to the disease and know what lies ahead for them.

She would have happily made the choice for herself many years ago when you had all of her abilities, and would have been satisfied to end her life at the point of extreme cognitive decline, but could not because of the last 6 months requirement.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
36. Good! Even suffering pets can be euthanized. Humans should have that right, too.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:34 AM
Oct 2015

Not everyone wants a suicide by cop, although that's probably easier than jumping off a high bridge.

nirvana555

(448 posts)
39. I had signed up earlier this year to be a volunteer for this organization/cause if necessary.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:15 AM
Oct 2015

I'm so, so thrilled that our State Legislature and our Governor have now made this a reality starting in 2016. Thank God. I guess we can say that Brittany did not die in vain. I'd love to senthree family an email, bless their hearts...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
47. yes, I was worried Ca.would never get rid of The Terminator :)
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:26 AM
Oct 2015

He allowed so much political/local economy damage to Ca. while he was playing around with the 'help'

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
46. I hope the for profit prisons don't ramp-up use of this new law to get rid of the not profitable,
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 08:40 AM
Oct 2015

sick and elderly 'lifers'.

Plenty of people have the 20, 40, year strict prison sentences our states love to hand out and slowly die in prison 'hospitals'. I don't think the 'for profits' like to spend much on healthcare of prisoners anyway. No one seems to care.

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