Home Depot customer opens fire on shoplifters in Metro Detroit

[corkhead]

Source: Mlive

AUBURN HILLS, MI -- No decision has been made on whether to charge a woman with a concealed carry permit who opened fire on Tuesady at two suspected shoplifters outside of a Home Depot, according to Auburn Hills Police Lt. Jill McDonnell.

Whether a woman with a license to carry a concealed firearm will face charges of her own after firing at two suspected shoplifters in Auburn Hills Tuesday remains unknown, says

Police say two suspected shoplifters were chased after leaving a Home Depot on Joslyn near I-75 in Auburn Hills about 2 p.m. Tuesday. They fled in a dark SUV and another customer pulled her gun and opened fire. It's unknown if she struck the SUV or its occupants.

Read more: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/10/home_depot_customer_opens_fire.html

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Apparently if your packing, you're self-deputized?

[patsimp]

1. Due process of law is out the window when we arm civilians and let them

decide who to kill and under what circumstances.

Bet we would hear a lot of: "I thought he was going for a gun and not his phone - that's why I shot him dead".

[riversedge]

27. Correct. This a dangerous

president if nothing happens (she is not charged).

[HERVEPA]

32. She'll become the president?

[Frank Cannon]

90. In this country, would that surprise you?

There's still room in that clown car.

[freebrew]

48. The cops already get away with that...

Execution for shop-lifting by customer or cop is where we seem to be headed.

Next thing will be scanners that vaporize you if the receipt doesn't match.

A lot of people have guns that shouldn't.
I'm guessing the customer was white?

[Turbineguy]

2. I think I may have figured it out.

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Wayne LaPierre gets $30 per gun death with a $1000 bonus for every school shooting.

By missing, this bitch cheated poor old Wayne out of 60 bucks!

[TrollBuster9090]

6. I don't know if you researched that number or not, but it's bang on! (Pun intended)

According to Wikipedia, Wayne "fucknutz" Lapierre gets paid $972,000 by the NRA per year, and the gun death tally is about 30,000, which works out to $30 per gun death. Factor in the 142 school shootings since 2013, which works out to 71 per year, and at $1000 each that accounts for the other $72,000 of his salary.

I'm speechless. You must have read his tax return?

[Turbineguy]

7. My source was the same.

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A little reverse engineering.

BTW, I have it on good authority that he's known in Al Qaeda circles as: "Our Secret Weapon".

[TrollBuster9090]

57. No kidding. "Death to America by a thousand cuts."

Why bother killing 3000 Americans at a time, like on 9-11, when twits like Lapierre can get TEN TIMES that many killed per year, and then say the solution is MORE guns?

[3catwoman3]

19. I'd be willing to wager a few bucks that ol' WLP...

...would pee his pants in a heartbeat if someone took him by surprise with a gun.

[TrollBuster9090]

58. Guaranteed. Just like that weasel oil executive who took legal action to prevent FRACKING in HIS

neighborhood. Or those cigarette industry executives who turn "State witness" after somebody THEY love contracts cancer from smoking.

[etherealtruth]

3. i live and work in the area

it brings such comfort to know that some jack ass with a gun will shoot at a shoplifter in a public parking lot.

that imbecile is lucky they didn't hit or kill anyone.

WTF would make someone think this was an acceptable thing to do?

you are NOT responsible gun owner if you think shooting in a crowded public parking lot is a safe or acceptable thing to do

[dmr]

20. I was thinking the same thing.

Geeez, what's wrong with people? They're just itching to fire their toys. Crazy.

[notadmblnd]

42. She should be charged

Pulling out her gun and shooting at shoplifters has nothing to do with stand your ground laws. I was working at the Meijers gas station a few years ago when a customer came in armed. When I told the store manager about people coming in the store armed and how uncomfortable it made me feel, he was very non-nonchalant about it. So I quit.

[etherealtruth]

44. I am with you, I would not work where armed folk came parading through :-( n/t

[Hoyt]

4. Death Penalty for shoplifters with no trial. Jeeeez.

[etherealtruth]

5. The imbecile (and everyone around her) is lucky she did not impose the

... "death penalty" for shopping or parking (you know the whole 'collateral damage" thing).

I am hoping this @$$ is criminally charged

[brush]

49. "Alleged shoplifters", please.

That woman needs to be charged.

Who is she to think it's her responsibility to apprehend "alleged shoplifters", putting others in danger with her missed shots?

Take that gun away from her immediately.

[jtuck004]

8. So, shoplifters in Home Depot now have nothing to lose by waiting a bit over by the steel pipe,

for that person who was watching them. Or anyone else who wants to be Johnny Lawman. What a good plan.

I would be really careful about going to a store whose CEO said any business "who" doesn't donate to Republicans should be run out of business.

It's bound to attract such types.

[LiberalElite]

10. A large NYC medical institution

has his name right up front - NYU Langone Medical Center. He gave them $200 million in 2008. What a mensch.

[Orrex]

9. Too bad there was no good guy with a gun to stop this good woman with a gun.

I guess this proves that CCL gun owners are the pinnacle of gun safety and self-discipline.

Surely there must be some reason that this woman opened fire when no lives were in danger

[d_legendary1]

25. Don't you mean a bad guy with a gun?

The NRA states that only bad guys with guns can be shot at. Though shop lifters are bad guys, they don't qualify since no gun was pulled out.

[Orrex]

29. Well now I just don't know what the hell's going on

Please oh please won't his excellency Wayne LaPierre tell me what to think?!?

[d_legendary1]

31. He's busy working on the next excuse

until then buy yourself an arsenal in case a bad guy show up.

[Orrex]

38. Good advice always

As a nation, we can never, ever have too many guns guns guns.

[A Simple Game]

11. No decision? Yet if I shoot at a deer within a set distance of a dwelling

I will be charged with a crime. There are even regulations for target practicing or shooting of any kind near a dwelling.

How did the woman know it wasn't a mock shoplifting to test security? Vigilantes were outlawed for a reason.

[Vinca]

12. This should be a no brainer about charging the woman.

She should be charged with reckless endangerment at the very least.

[Rafale]

13. Gun Nuts

She hasn't been charged by the police. There must be a compelling reason. My dad use to say there are at least three sides to every story: Your side, my side, and then there's the truth. Notably the linked story also points out a gun nut that apparently saved a bunch of people in a bank by gunning down the armed robber: "The incident comes just weeks after a customer at a bank in Warren shot a suspected robber with a conceal gun." Forgive my pensiveness. Go ahead and flag me for a jury and call me a troll; I understand and won't take it personally.

[trumad]

22. A troll? Flag you?

It would do no good here because Admin allows idiotic opinions when it comes to the love of guns.

[SwankyXomb]

40. + an infinite amount

[Rafale]

56. +1

You have a good point. No doubt the subtly of my remark will be lost.

[TexasBushwhacker]

26. There's a big difference between an armed robber

and a shoplifter.

[Rafale]

33. Agree

One hundred percent. Moreover, violence is not the Way.

[niyad]

53. SUSPECTED shoplilfter

[TexasBushwhacker]

82. Indeed!

I believe you are allowed to use deadly force to protect your own property, but not the property of someone else. In fact, in a store like Home Depot, it's unlikely that a person could shoplift something expensive enough to qualify as a felony. It's not like you can shoplift a refridgerator. What if she shot a bystander?!

[HERVEPA]

35. Post is too stupid to flag. It flags itself.

[Rafale]

47. Compelling argument, well....

I will take the highroad like Bernie.

[Paladin]

43. A hearty welcome to you and the rest of the new DU pro-gunners.

Funny how you folks always seem to appear in clusters. Enjoy your stay.

[Rafale]

46. From a veteran who served in Afghanistan

I thank you, good sir.

[Judi Lynn]

75. Why doesn't the veteran thank Paladin him/herself? n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

60. "saved a bunch of people" isn't accurate; he shot the robber after the money was handed over

According to investigators, the gunman entered the bank about 4:05 p.m. Monday, pulled out a handgun and announced a robbery. The autoworker was the only customer in the building, along with three employees.

As the gunman waited for bank workers to load a bag with cash, he turned and pointed his gun at the autoworker several times, witnesses told investigators.

Once he had the money and went to leave, he pointed the gun one more time, and that’s when the autoworker drew his weapon and fired three times, hitting the suspect each time.

http://www.macombdaily.com/general-news/20150921/updated-bank-robber-shot-by-customer-in-warren

Since the robber pointed the gun at him, you can say he might have feared for his life; but, looking at it with the luxury of hindsight, it doesn't look like he 'saved' anybody. The bank employees had handed over the money, and he was leaving. The end result is the bank gets its money back, I guess.

[rockfordfile]

63. stop watching TV

[7962]

30. Agreed. Unless they were driving right at the woman, which i dont see mentioned. nt

[whereisjustice]

14. What a fucker. Our well regulated militia, shooting up the nation. 2nd Amendment? Bullshit.

[whereisjustice]

15. Because gun owners too lazy to take notes, or a picture or help police. Have gun will kill.

[olddots]

16. I wish I hadn't read this

[yuiyoshida]

17. I guess we are heading back to the old west of doing things

If someone robs the general store, everyone packing heat gets to let the bullets fly and all be damned. Tombstone wasn't named that for the scenery..

[ManiacJoe]

72. Hollywood's version of the Old West anyway.

[blackspade]

18. What an idiot.

That was extremely reckless and stupid.

[TNNurse]

21. Can you help keep us informed on this?

We need to know if and when she is charged. If she is found not responsible by mental problems.....well clearly she has mental problems to fire at someone.....she should never be allowed to own a firearm of any kind every again.

[NickB79]

23. Take away her permit at the VERY least

Apparently she missed the part of the conceal-carry class where they tell you flat-out to NOT shoot at a fleeing person.

Then again, maybe they assumed it's common fucking sense to not shoot a person in the back and claim self-defense

[Cassidy]

24. As more people carry, more bystanders and potential victims will be killed and maimed.

It is basic math. The "good guys with guns" are gambling with all our lives.

It will be interesting to see how the various states and legislatures react and how many unintended murders will have to occur first.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

[TexasBushwhacker]

34. Yup. That's what my gun owner friend said

He owned a popular bar, so after closing, there was a lot if cash in the office. He owned weapons and kept them there. I ran into him at a class reunion after the concealed carry law passed in Texas. I asked him what he thought about it.

His answer "More dead people, and they won't all be bad guys. The criminal with the gun is ready to kill you. He may have killed someone before. Unless the "good guy with a gun" has experience in the military or law enforcement, he has probably never shot at a person, much less killed someone. The good guy will probably hesitate, even for just a moment, and that's when the criminal shoots him. If he didn't have a gun, the criminal might just use his gun as a threat. The second the criminal sees your gun, he's going to pull his trigger. PERIOD."

Look at these acts committed with firearms - Murders + suicides + accidental shootings. Add all those together and compare that number to the number if times a person protects themselves with a weapon. Seriously, there IS no comparison. More guns means more dead people, and they aren't all going to be bad guys.

[eppur_se_muova]

28. "Police say two suspected shoplifters were chased ..." chased by whom ?

Store security ? Police ? Whoever it was, I'll bet they just loved it when someone decided to "help out" by opening fire !

New safety rule -- don't chase criminals, vigilantes might not know who's who, or even think about it. Thanks a shitload, Vigilante Jane !

[catlover77]

36. home depot

This is really sad

[niyad]

54. welcome to du.

many here avoid home depot because the ceo is a reichwing jerk (I have avoided them for years, because they killed a friend of mine)

[RKP5637]

37. Reminds me of a woman that jumped out of her car and started screaming and screaming at

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my friend and I when we got out of his car in handicapped space in a Home Depot parking lot. She pulled up behind us blocking our car with her van. I had noticed her in the corner of my eye and had wondered WTF. Then she started screaming and screaming at us not looking sick.

He had a handicapped placard on his mirror and she decided neither he nor I looked sick enough to have a handicapped placard on the car.

Hell, he had almost died in the hospital a couple of times and now was well enough to walk. He has serious physical problems, and this asshole starts yelling at him in his 70's and living on borrowed time. Damn, imagine what she would have done with a gun in her hand. There are fucken assholes all over the place. The US is not a place where people should have free access to guns. Some people are very responsible and mature, but a lot of this country are not, and a good percentage are unhinged or very close.

[wolfie001]

67. Yes, remember the golfer who couldn't play on the PGA?

He appeared healthy but in reality he could only walk very short distances. There needs to be a PSA about handicapped parking informing regular shmoes that they shouldn't be doing parking lot diagnoses.

[RKP5637]

68. Yeah, it totally blew my mind, like she could diagnose his severe illness from her van in

a parking lot and be the parking lot vigilante for handicapped parking. Lots of people are very sick, but that doesn't mean going along in a wheel chair and all. He was happy to be walking around again, and I said let's go to Home Depot and walk around some for his exercise required. And this asshole appears. He politely told her off as she slid down to her floor mats in the van in embarrassment. I said when we got into the store, imagine if she had a gun and had shot you dead for suspected handicap parking.

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

39. She needs

to be charged with discharging a firearm in the city and have her permit taken away at the very minimum.

[CanonRay]

41. Well, that was bound to happen

as is one where an innocent bystander gets blown away by the "good guy with the gun."

[Solly Mack]

45. The article keeps repeating the "license to carry" ,"concealed carry permit" line

as if that somehow makes it OK that she opened fire in a parking lot. As if that somehow makes her actions less egregious. That it was OK she took it upon herself to play police, judge, jury and executioner.

A concealed carry permit does not come with a badge. It does not make you "Dirty Harry". Shoplifting isn't a capital offense. She's not a good citizen.

Charge the idiot before she kills someone.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

50. Brilliant way for an accomplice to create a diversion, if shit like this goes uncharged.

[niyad]

51. no decision has been made??? is there some question about this? she is not law enforcement,

she had no clue about what was going on, no information, and yet she opened fire. what if she had hit an innocent bystander?

that there should even be a hesitation about charging her is completely insane.

[niyad]

52. "SUSPECTED" shoplifters being the operative word here. judge, jury and executioner, all in one.

[leftyladyfrommo]

61. Really.

It's a lot safer to just let them go. Let the police handle it.

I wouldn't want to be in the parking lot with a gunfight going on. I don't care who's shooting.

[Skittles]

78. not sure it matters here whether or not they were stealing

why is this gun humper allowed to shoot at them?

[niyad]

80. no, I was simply pointing out that there are people saying "shoplifters", when they are only

"suspected". but, as you pointed out, why did this idiot think she had the right to shoot at them? and why is there even a discussion about "gee, do you think we should charge her?" she could have killed people. at the very least, reckless endangerment.

[Javaman]

55. moron with a gun.

"their backs were menacing me as they ran away!!!"

[uawchild]

59. Hmmm.... Please tell me I am wrong...

"The shoplifting suspects are described a black male in his 40s, who was driving; and a white man in his 40s wearing a black T-shirt with yellow writing and a black baseball cap."

Isn't Auburn Hills somewhat upscale? Please tell me that the reckless woman who fired at "suspected" shoplifters isn't a white upper middle-class soccer mom?

"No decision has been made on whether to charge a woman with a concealed carry permit who opened fire on Tuesady at two suspected shoplifters outside of a Home Depot, according to Auburn Hills Police Lt. Jill McDonnell." Please tell me they "have not decided" yet NOT because of her white privilege? Maybe, just maybe, if we are lucky its just a case of class privilege and not white privilege.

[goldent]

84. My memory is that Auburn Hills is "somewhat" upscale.

At least some of it used to be Pontiac township. To get truly upscale head east to Rochester Hills.

[valerief]

62. But shoplifting deserves death. Unless, of course, you're a shoplifting bank exec

robbing the entire U.S. population.

I don't think background checks are enough for these stupid ammosexuals. Unlike our members of Congress, they should have to pass I.Q. tests.

[rockfordfile]

64. Like I said gun nuts

These people are scared of everything. A gun culture thanks to the republican party and the NRA. That gun nut woman is a idiot.

[dembotoz]

66. just what we need .....fricken big box wyatt earps

[lark]

69. Nail her ass to the wall.

In jail, of course.

[Blue Owl]

70. A self-styled Home Despot

n/t

[uawchild]

71. we have a winner!

nicely done!

[Judi Lynn]

76. Stupendous, Blue Owl! n/t

[BadGimp]

73. This is some crazy shit right here

How can this person NOT be charged?

[JudyM]

79. 'Zactly! Like there's some question, jeez. Nt

[ManiacJoe]

74. If the cops and prosecutors are having problems deciding on charges for the shooter,

then the article is greatly missing on details of what really happened.

As reported, there is no question that what she did was illegal.

[geek tragedy]

77. So, getting away with shooting at unarmed black men is something all white

gun toters get to do in Michigan?

[niyad]

81. Expert: Woman shouldn't have fired gun at shoplifter

Expert: Woman shouldn't have fired gun at shoplifter

Video shows suspect inside Home Depot, then exiting the store and running with the shopping cart in the parking lot.


Police confirmed on Wednesday that a concealed pistol license (CPL) holder was not being threatened by a fleeing shoplifter when she decided to fire multiple shots at him in a Home Depot parking lot.

And experts interviewed Wednesday doubted the shooting could have been justified. “It’s my worst nightmare as a CPL instructor,” said Doreen Hankins, owner of Detroit Arms, which holds CPL classes. “You have to know the entire situation before you pull that handgun out. And I don’t see that a shoplifter at Home Depot fills any of those criteria.”


. . . .



The shooter remained on the scene, cooperated with police, and was released pending an investigation. But gun safety experts say the shooting details that have been released so far don’t look great for the shooter.

To use a concealed weapon in Michigan, a CPL holder needs to think that there is an imminent danger of death, great bodily harm or sexual assault, or think there is a similar danger to someone else, said Rick Ector, a firearms trainer who runs Legally Armed Detroit. He added that a gun is “truly a tool of last resort.”

. . . .

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2015/10/06/cpl-holder-opens-fire-shoplifter-home-depot/73468588/


Home Depot shoplifter shooting - careless gun use or vigilante justice?


AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (WJBK) - What do you do if you come home from work and confront a guy that broke into your house? Or it's late at night and you hear someone breaking into your car and that person tries to attack you? Experts say those are no-brainers. In both cases you have the right to shoot. And in other cases, it ought to be crystal clear when you cannot.

Some firearm experts say the woman in Auburn Hills was wrong to open fire in the Home Depot parking lot, shooting at a shoplifting suspect's getaway vehicle. "There could have been a 4-year-old child coming out of Home Depot with their grandparent," says Tanisha Moner, a CPL instructor. "You can't shoot at moving cars. You can't shoot at people retreating. You can't do that," Moner says. FOX 2 asked her when gun owners have the legal right to shoot.
. . . .


She says you can only shoot someone when you are defending yourself or someone else from the threat of great bodily harm, rape or death. But if someone put a pistol to your pet's head, you're also advised not to play Rambo and try to rescue Rover. And if that is sticky, what happened in Auburn Hills Tuesday is Teflon.

"What should have taken place there, is she should have noted the description of the individual," says Daryl Brown, a retired deputy chief from the Detroit Police Department. "Noted the description of the vehicle, noted the method of escape. But to take a shot at him, I don't see that happening."

. . . .

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/30790613-story

[SoLeftIAmRight]

83. crazy bitch

bet she has been dreaming of the chance to shoot a person

safer bet - she is pro life

[workinclasszero]

85. safer bet - she is pro life

No doubt but the teahaddists need to be called pro-birth because once you are out of mommys womb they could give a s**t if you starve to death or die for lack of medical care.

Matter of fact if you are poor they hope you die quickly!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

87. yes

i know this is the proper frame

I must work more on getting outside their frames

thanks

[workinclasszero]

88. I'm sorry I didn't mean to criticize you

Its just one of the many lies the right wing puts out there, "pro-life" is a big one.

Of course they all support the death penalty, are all for killing off any kind of welfare/food assistance, medical help, always in favor of war, want unrestricted access to deadly weapons etc.

And yet they have the gall to call themselves "pro-life".

What a joke eh?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

89. I did not take it criticism

just a helpful reminder

the thanks was real

be well

[workinclasszero]

86. More details on this story..

Michigan woman with concealed carry permit opens fire at alleged Home Depot shoplifters
David Edwards
07 OCT 2015 AT 10:51 ET

Police in Auburn Hills, Michigan are investigating whether or not to charge a conceal carry permit holder who opened fire at alleged shoplifters at a Home Depot store.

According to The Detroit News, the 47-year-old woman was watching from the store’s parking lot on Tuesday as a loss prevention officer appeared to be trying to stop a shoplifter. When the suspects tried to flee in a dark SUV, the woman pulled out her concealed 9mm handgun and began shooting.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/michigan-woman-with-concealed-carry-permit-opens-fire-at-alleged-home-depot-shoplifters/