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Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:37 PM Oct 2015

Venezuela Worst in World as IMF Forecasts 10% Contraction

Source: Bloomberg

Venezuela will see its economy shrink more than any other country in the world this year as lower oil prices drain government coffers, according to the International Monetary Fund.

“Venezuela is projected to experience a deep recession in 2015 and 2016,” the IMF said Tuesday in its World Economic Outlook. The country’s real gross domestic product probably will contract 10 percent this year and 6 percent in 2016, it said.

President Nicolas Maduro’s policy response to the economic crisis remains paralyzed ahead of congressional elections set for Dec. 6. The bolivar has slumped to 792 to the dollar on the black market, while the official rate remains at 6.3. The government has also maintained fixed prices for staple foods, even as supplies run out in many shops and prices for other goods soar. Inflation in Venezuela, already the fastest in the world, will average 159 percent in 2015 and increase to 204 percent next year, the IMF said.

Among other countries expected to face economic contractions this year as the global economy expands 3.1 percent are Greece (-2.3 percent), Brazil (-3.0 percent), Russia (-3.8 percent) and Ukraine (-9.0 percent), according to the IMF.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/venezuela-worst-in-world-as-imf-forecasts-economy-to-shrink-10-



Just goes to show you it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum a government claims to be in. If they're corrupt and/or mismanaged, they're destined to fail regardless if they're from the left or right.
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Venezuela Worst in World as IMF Forecasts 10% Contraction (Original Post) Marksman_91 Oct 2015 OP
They are in big trouble sharp_stick Oct 2015 #1
At this point, only a regime change could set the path to improvement Marksman_91 Oct 2015 #3
But But But. iandhr Oct 2015 #4
It's rather unfortunate that the Chavista regime still has so many supporters here Marksman_91 Oct 2015 #16
You mean central planning doesn't work? Shocking! StrongBad Oct 2015 #2
I hope they're wrong, because this country is too poor to handle that Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #5
No, Venezuela is not a poor country Marksman_91 Oct 2015 #7
Thats it in a nutshell. 7962 Oct 2015 #8
Yes, Venezuala needs oil prices at $160 to break even this year GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #17
What's funny is that the Maduro admin. claims that the oil price drop is all a conspiracy Marksman_91 Oct 2015 #20
It's all a USA/CIA/ONE % plot, or so we're told......repeatedly. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2015 #6
Dont know if we'll see that in this thread; its too hard to ignore real facts!! nt 7962 Oct 2015 #9
Ideologically blinded individuals don't care about facts Marksman_91 Oct 2015 #13
Recession. So what! As populations slow or contract it'll be ffr Oct 2015 #10
So what? EX500rider Oct 2015 #15
Well that's back of course, but did you read what I wrote? ffr Oct 2015 #29
But they still have $$$ to fund 51% of the Telesur propaganda outlet uhnope Oct 2015 #11
They're still giving away oil to Cuba, as well. Go figure. nt COLGATE4 Oct 2015 #12
Makes me wonder also about what that useful idiot of Mark Weisbrot thinks Marksman_91 Oct 2015 #14
Lately its the "US wants regime change" but here he is last year when it was Bs 88 to 1 Bacchus4.0 Oct 2015 #26
I have a hunch VN will go to war with Columbia... Archae Oct 2015 #18
If that were to happen, GGJohn Oct 2015 #21
And not to mention that their high-ranking officials are all fatasses who live a luxurious life Marksman_91 Oct 2015 #23
Well said. GGJohn Oct 2015 #24
Nope. Igel Oct 2015 #28
so dependent on their oil and they must have always sold crude very, cheap to China. Sunlei Oct 2015 #19
I don't imagine anyone is willing christx30 Oct 2015 #22
Is Maduro a CIA operative purposefully destroying the Venezuelan economy? Freddie Stubbs Oct 2015 #25
This is like Hawaii when tourism takes a dive. Lychee2 Oct 2015 #27
 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
3. At this point, only a regime change could set the path to improvement
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:49 PM
Oct 2015

Maduro and the rest of the PSUV leadership show no signs whatsoever of taking responsibility for their mismanagement of the economy, and God knows how much the corruption runs through them. They're not gonna change any policies soon, since it's the current status quo that has allowed them to stay in power, and will continue to do so since they know they will face jail time if they lose the presidency and the General Assembly. They're doing everything they can now to stay in power even if it means that the rest of the country goes down the toilet, because they know that otherwise their crimes would be exposed, and be sentenced accordingly.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
4. But But But.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:15 PM
Oct 2015

I was told VZ was a a paradise by many Duer's.


So your telling us it is not so? (Snark for those who don't understand what that is)

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
16. It's rather unfortunate that the Chavista regime still has so many supporters here
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:40 AM
Oct 2015

Thankfully there's less and less of them every day. It's become damn near impossible now to keep defending the total screw up of Maduro and his government regarding Venezuela. Only conspiracy nutjobs are the ones remaining who still think he's some kind of great leader.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
5. I hope they're wrong, because this country is too poor to handle that
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

Sometimes the IMF is wrong. The best case is still somewhere around 6%, though.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
7. No, Venezuela is not a poor country
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:59 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:52 PM - Edit history (1)

It's an oil producer, with the biggest reserves in the world, and has access to many other resources, and has a strategic geographic location, with coastlines on the Caribbean and a predominantly tropical climate. The problem is not that the country doesn't have money or lacks in richness, it's the fact that the Chavista government left all national production in ruin, and has neglected its infrastructure, and not to mention the economic policies which has only brought hyperinflation and a ridiculously devalued currency.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
20. What's funny is that the Maduro admin. claims that the oil price drop is all a conspiracy
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:25 AM
Oct 2015

They claim that it's a US-led conspiracy in collaboration with Saudi Arabia to cripple the economies of their enemies, namely Russia and Venezuela. They just don't want to admit they should've diversified the Venezuelan economy while they had the chance, especially a few years ago when oil was over $100 a barrel. Now they're suffering the consequences for being slackers and irresponsible.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
13. Ideologically blinded individuals don't care about facts
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:39 PM
Oct 2015

No matter if they're from the left or right

ffr

(22,665 posts)
10. Recession. So what! As populations slow or contract it'll be
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

more and more prevalent. I'd suggest to break the paradigm stereotype about the words recession and expansion/growth.

Look it up. There is almost always a correlation between population growth & consumer demand. If population growth stagnates or declines, as it is doing in Russia, Ukraine, Germany and Japan, expect recessions. THERE'S NOTHING UNHEALTHY WITH THAT AT ALL. It's just an economic way of defining if the economy is expanding or contracting. Fewer people require less from their economies. So what!

EX500rider

(10,833 posts)
15. So what?
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:21 PM
Oct 2015

Did you read this part:

".....as supplies run out in many shops and prices for other goods soar. Inflation in Venezuela, already the fastest in the world, will average 159 percent in 2015 and increase to 204 percent next year."

ffr

(22,665 posts)
29. Well that's back of course, but did you read what I wrote?
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 03:02 PM
Oct 2015

Recessions will become commonplace in the future and that's not necessarily bad. In fact, it has to happen and it will have to be good, thus breaking the stereotype we have about the word recession.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
14. Makes me wonder also about what that useful idiot of Mark Weisbrot thinks
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:43 PM
Oct 2015

He's always been a chavismo apologist, and even claimed about a year ago or so that Venezuela's inflation rate was gonna improve. That's when I realized he's probably just another paid-for shill by the Venezuelan government like Eva Golinger.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
26. Lately its the "US wants regime change" but here he is last year when it was Bs 88 to 1
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:05 AM
Oct 2015



Start about 2:00 for the economy. He says anyone can get dollars with that SICAD IIexchange rate. Says it undercuts the black market. At 6:30 he says he doesn't think the SICAD II rate will increase inflation.about 15:05 inflation has stabilized and the SICAD exchange should help.

Currently the exchange rate is at 800 Bs to 1

Archae

(46,312 posts)
18. I have a hunch VN will go to war with Columbia...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:01 AM
Oct 2015

Nothing better than a war to distact people from bad times.

Bush 2 created his war with Iraq, that has all the side effects like ISIS.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
21. If that were to happen,
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

VN would be handed their ass by the Colombian military.
Colombia has a well led modern military with combat experience while the VN military is very poorly led, has no combat experience and are equipped with less than modern equipment.

 

Marksman_91

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23. And not to mention that their high-ranking officials are all fatasses who live a luxurious life
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:45 AM
Oct 2015

They've had fortunes handed to them by the Chavista government to buy their loyalty, and all they really care about is living a luxurious lifestyle. They're utterly undisciplined, and have let themselves go really bad. The Venezuelan military would be crushed within a week if it went against Colombia, most likely because most other LatAm and Caribbean nations, as well as the US, would support Colombia more.

Igel

(35,293 posts)
28. Nope.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:19 AM
Oct 2015

Guyana's a better bet.

Weaker military, different kind of claim, and it would give Venezuela control over a lot more oil and shipping lanes. Moreover, the jingoistic rhetoric writes itself: The current border is the result of international (lic. European-led) tribunals and commissions, so of course the Bolivarian indigenous populations of S. America can't get a break. Doesn't help that Guyana has a large S. Asian and black population, not that anybody that's socialist or Bolivarian could possibly be a bigoted racist. (Maduro does sport a bigote, does he not?)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. so dependent on their oil and they must have always sold crude very, cheap to China.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:07 AM
Oct 2015

Now that China is BF with Putin, they probably buy Putins cheap crude and have dumped Venezuela. trade without real treaties is never good.

Such a beautiful country, I hope they can get their shit together and ramp up local agriculture. No need to sell out to cattle industry, go for the goats. goat milk is delicious.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
22. I don't imagine anyone is willing
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:38 AM
Oct 2015

to put in the work to build anything, considering the government is able to come in and take anything they want at anytime.

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