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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:34 PM Oct 2015

40 Percent Of Americans Know Someone Who Was Killed With A Gun

Source: Huffington Post

Forty percent of Americans know someone who was fatally shot or who committed suicide using a gun, a new HuffPost/YouGov poll shows.

In 2013, 11,208 people were the victims of gun homicides, according to the CDC, while another 21,175 used a gun to kill themselves. Those numbers, however, may understate exactly how entrenched gun violence has become in American society -- and how widely its effects are felt.

Twenty-two percent of American adults say they personally know someone who was killed by another person with a gun, with 6 percent saying the victim was someone in their family.

Twenty-nine percent of American adults, meanwhile, know someone who used a gun to commit suicide, including 7 percent who said a family member had committed suicide that way.



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-know-gun-violence-victims_56169834e4b0e66ad4c6bd2b

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40 Percent Of Americans Know Someone Who Was Killed With A Gun (Original Post) onehandle Oct 2015 OP
Did not know that. A great tragedy. No wonder the gun industry wants to shutdown all gun research! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1
April 24 of this year. christx30 Oct 2015 #2
Black Americans are especially likely to know someone who was fatally shot solar Max Oct 2015 #3
K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #4
I am among them tk2kewl Oct 2015 #5
Me too Yupster Oct 2015 #20
a family member of mine was shot in the face with a shotgun by her stepfather tk2kewl Oct 2015 #23
Look out below. Kingofalldems Oct 2015 #6
3 Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #7
Yes to both. MoonchildCA Oct 2015 #8
Then roughly 40% must know someone who killed with a gun. Lychee2 Oct 2015 #9
That would really add up, wouldn't it? hunter Oct 2015 #27
I was in a bar in the Midwest, in the bathroom, when a man ran in, yelled to his girlfriend, Judi Lynn Oct 2015 #10
The man was probably a convicted felon Midnight Writer Oct 2015 #15
Well, well. I never would have guessed! I'm sure you're right. That sounds logical, Judi Lynn Oct 2015 #17
I am one. It's Academic Quiz Show Yavin4 Oct 2015 #11
At least 2, probably more if I really think about it beveeheart Oct 2015 #12
my grandfather. unblock Oct 2015 #13
It would be interesting to compare to other countries caraher Oct 2015 #14
US Is # 50 in terms of Sucide happyslug Oct 2015 #38
I knew 4 people that comitted suicide with a gun. I knew 3 people that murdered people doc03 Oct 2015 #16
That's an interesting social experiment. wickerwoman Oct 2015 #18
Holy Crap cprise Oct 2015 #19
Sister-in-law, killed by her abusive ex-husband kath Oct 2015 #21
2 The Polack MSgt Oct 2015 #22
I know five: enough Oct 2015 #24
Same here CountAllVotes Oct 2015 #28
I do. In fact, I know two people. davidpdx Oct 2015 #25
At least one of each... Jokerman Oct 2015 #26
I Know (or Knew) Two ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #29
almost unbelievable how much gun violence has crossed my life rurallib Oct 2015 #30
A friend of my daughter Tracer Oct 2015 #31
I know multiples in the first category, one in the second Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #32
22+28 = 50, not 40 0rganism Oct 2015 #33
D'oh! Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #34
I have several in each category. Sucks alfredo Oct 2015 #35
3 Killed and 8-10 suicides ileus Oct 2015 #36
Sorry, they are hunting and getting their food ... LannyDeVaney Oct 2015 #37
My cousin's fiance was shot in the head while duck hunting with my uncle and his brother NickB79 Oct 2015 #39
2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides in the US every year. 20,000 people NickB79 Oct 2015 #40
Coming back to revisit this thread tonight, enough Oct 2015 #41

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Did not know that. A great tragedy. No wonder the gun industry wants to shutdown all gun research!
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:42 PM
Oct 2015

There is as much damage to the national psyche as there is to flesh and blood because of epidemic gun violence in America.

300 million guns.

30,000 deaths is just the beginning of the gun-related carnage...100,000 maimings and injury....untold financial toll - mainly untold because of blocks on gun violence research - ....and this emotional cost not quantified. Year after year after year...the price is too high to keep amusing the gun lovers with any notion they are not utterly insane.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
2. April 24 of this year.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:25 PM - Edit history (1)

My family woke up at 6:30am with police lights from down my quiet street in Austin, TX. Neighbors had heard 3 gunshots. Police found 20 year old African American male face down in the street. They took him to the local hospital, where he died. He left behind a 1 year old daughter.
I pass by the memorial his mother built every night on my walk home. I look at it and I get sick that this young man lost his life.
His murder is still unsolved.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
20. Me too
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:31 AM
Oct 2015

A friend had his affair exposed.

Went to a hotel and shot himself in the bathtub (no water) to not make a mess.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
23. a family member of mine was shot in the face with a shotgun by her stepfather
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:21 AM
Oct 2015

Asshole then took his own life too

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
7. 3
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:28 PM
Oct 2015

A school librarian killed herself with a handgun

A very close friend was killed by a handgun in a robbery

A coworker was the murdered in a murder-suicide by his lover with a shotgun

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
8. Yes to both.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:56 PM
Oct 2015

A cousin of mine in his early 20s shot himself in front of one of his younger brothers in his teens, and another cousin was shot and killed in a bar at age 19. These both occurred in Texas before the legal age of 21 was in effect.

Also, my nephew was driving a car when a friend of his was shot and killed in the passenger seat--this one gang related in Central California.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
9. Then roughly 40% must know someone who killed with a gun.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:02 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know anyone who was shot to death, but I know two people who committed murder with a gun.

It must be the company I keep.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
27. That would really add up, wouldn't it?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

Especially if you know war veterans and law enforcement officers.

Judi Lynn

(160,456 posts)
10. I was in a bar in the Midwest, in the bathroom, when a man ran in, yelled to his girlfriend,
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:04 PM
Oct 2015

who was behind a bathroom door to throw her purse to him, he wanted his gun. The girl slid her purse out across the floor to him, the WHITE scumball grabbed his gun and went staggering off to get real serious, apparently, with another drunk.

We left asap.

Trash!

Never went back, of course.

I would never want to know anyone who keeps a gun, and if I learned someone I know has one, he/she would become someone I knew. No time for that lowness of character.

Anyone who wants to waste everyone's time trying to push the idea the only people who use guns for revenge, etc. are black, or other minorities, should try to get a better hobby. Don't try to bother decent, sane people with your gibberish.

Midnight Writer

(21,719 posts)
15. The man was probably a convicted felon
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:24 AM
Oct 2015

They are in big legal trouble if caught with a gun, so they have their girlfriend carry the gun.

i learned this from a childhood friend of mine. I ran into her and she was carrying a gun in her coat pocket. I asked her why she was carrying a gun. She replied that her boyfriend was out of prison on parole, and a gun violation would send him back for major prison time. So she carried the gun so he would always have one handy.

So I asked her why HE had to carry a gun.

Her reply: You just don't understand. He makes a lot of enemies.

Judi Lynn

(160,456 posts)
17. Well, well. I never would have guessed! I'm sure you're right. That sounds logical,
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:37 AM
Oct 2015

for people who are helpless without their guns!

Thanks, so much.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
11. I am one. It's Academic Quiz Show
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

When I was in HS, I was on the It's Academic team. We competed on a local TV game show in DC by the same name. A kid on the team who was a year ahead of me, Alphonso, was killed at a bus stop.

beveeheart

(1,369 posts)
12. At least 2, probably more if I really think about it
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:24 PM
Oct 2015

1) I babysat for my best friend's son years ago. At age 25 he was shot in the back in a drug deal gone bad by another young man.

2) My cousin's daughter was shot by her abusive husband in the parking lot of where she worked because she had left him.

unblock

(52,126 posts)
13. my grandfather.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:49 PM
Oct 2015

couldn't face the prognosis of 4 months with lung cancer.

left my mother to clean his brain bits off the wall.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
14. It would be interesting to compare to other countries
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oct 2015

And I knew a couple who died in a murder-suicide, so that ticked off all the survey boxes in just one tragic morning.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
38. US Is # 50 in terms of Sucide
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:32 PM
Oct 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

This source puts the US at #47 worldwide:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/suicide/by-country/

US Suicide rate is 2/3rds Japans. Eastern European Rates are around Japan's while Western European rates are around the US.

US is #3 in sucide by firearms, behind El Salvador and Uruguay:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Hanging is the most common method of Suicide in England and Wales and the second most common in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_hanging

Hanging is the most common method world wide, with 90% of suicide of women in Eastern Europe being by hanging:

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/9/07-043489/en/

Hanging was the predominant method of suicide in most countries included in the analysis (Table 1). The highest proportions were around 90% in men and 80% in women, as observed in eastern Europe (i.e. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania). There were a number of deviations from the predominant pattern. As might be expected, firearm suicide was the most common method in the United States, but was also prevalent in Argentina, Switzerland and Uruguay, although only men used this method in Switzerland. Jumping from a height (designated as falls in the figures) plays an important role in small, predominantly urban societies such as Hong Kong SAR, Luxembourg and Malta. In contrast, in rural Latin American countries (e.g. El Salvador, Nicaragua and Peru), Asian countries (e.g. the Republic of Korea and Thailand) and also in Portugal, poisoning with pesticides was a major problem, notably among women. Poisoning with drugs was common in women from Canada, the Nordic countries and the United Kingdom. It also played an important role in male suicide in these countries.......

Correspondence analysis of all countries and of the subset of non-European countries provides evidence for a polarization between suicide methods. The poles are pesticide suicide and firearm suicide, while hanging is in an intermediate position. This polarization has several implications.

Firstly, at the poles, hanging and other more traditional suicide methods are displaced by suicide methods whose main characteristics are utilization of a technical means, ready availability, quick use and high lethality. For pesticide and firearm suicide, the impact of availability seems to be greater than for traditional suicide methods.

Secondly, the opposite slopes seen in the correspondence maps and the degree of displacement indicate that there is a substantial substitution effect: pesticide suicide and firearm suicide are not only associated with new suicide behaviour, but also tend to substitute hanging. The introduction of specific prevention programmes focusing on pesticides or firearms would be expected to reverse this substitution to some extent. In fact, this reversal was observed when firearm availability was restricted in Australia and Canada at the same time, the proportion of suicides due to hanging increased.

Readily available poisons and firearms facilitate unplanned suicide acts,22,23 which are typical of impulsive suicide. Consequently, they increase the suicide frequency. It is noteworthy that the proportion of suicides in individuals with a background of severe mental illness is distinctly below average in firearm suicide.24,25 This observation holds for both Asian and European countries.


In simple terms, hanging is the fall back position for suicide world wide. Other methods of Suicide are substitutes for hanging but only if available. Thus in Canada and Australia when access to firearms were cut back, suicide by hanging increased.

In the US over 50% of all suicides are by Firearms, 14% by hanging and 16 % by poison:

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

In the US Men overwhelmingly perfer sucide by firearms, hanging is a distance second and only about 10% of men opt for posion. On the other hand hand over 1/3 of women prefer poison, under 1/3 opt for firearms, with just under a 1/4 of women opt to hand themselves.

Prior to 1960 the primary method of suicide was natural gas inhalation in Britain, but that fell to almost zero when non toxic natural gas was introduced:

http://actionallianceforsuicideprevention.org/sites/actionallianceforsuicideprevention.org/files/Reducing%20a%20Suicidal%20Persons%20Access%20to%20Lethal.pdf

When natural gas was no longer an option for suicide in Britain, other methods went up, but no where near in numbers as the drop in suicides by Natural Gas. The same Report noted when it comes to US Suicide rates, most but not all studies show a clear difference in rates if the Firearms are kept unloaded and the ammunition stored separately as opposed to the firearms are kept loaded Much lower rates if the firearms are kept Unloaded as is the case with most rifles and shotguns as opposed to pistols).

doc03

(35,300 posts)
16. I knew 4 people that comitted suicide with a gun. I knew 3 people that murdered people
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:26 AM
Oct 2015

with a gun. One person that was murdered with a gun another that was shot and survived. Two killed by accident by a gun. One person that was shot by accident and survived. That isn't counting the ones killed or wounded in military conflicts.
Just a couple days ago near me an 11 year old accidentally shot a 12 year old while target shooting with an adult relative.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
18. That's an interesting social experiment.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:49 AM
Oct 2015

My uncle killed himself with a gun. Forty years earlier his fiance with killed in an armed robbery by a gun.

The Polack MSgt

(13,182 posts)
22. 2
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 06:45 AM
Oct 2015

Two of my former Squadron mates swallowed a bullet in the last 4 years.
But that is a statement about more than just guns

enough

(13,255 posts)
24. I know five:
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:29 AM
Oct 2015

40 year old man suicide

18 year old boy random shooting at a college

47 year old woman shot by ex-boyfriend who then shot himself to death

55 year old woman shot in a business feud


(Also a 17 year old girl abducted and raped by a stranger at gunpoint)


Curiously, all these events happened in locations that would be considered "nice quiet neighborhoods," where everyone was shocked that such a thing "could ever happen here."


CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
28. Same here
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:16 AM
Oct 2015

#1: Daughter of my late mother's best friend -- killed in cold blood (working at a convenience store).
#2. Neighbor across the street -- suicide
#3. Son of late father's best friend -- accident while playing around w/shotgun when parents were out
#4. Good friend -- robbed and murdered
#5. A doctor I knew -- murdered in cold blood

When will people wake the F up and realize that guns kill?

& recommend.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
25. I do. In fact, I know two people.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

The first one was a teacher's aide from my school that was shot. I don't remember the circumstances very clearly, but I was quite shocked when I heard about it.

The second was a friend of mine in high school who attempted suicide (this was actually before I knew her) and was blind because of it.

Jokerman

(3,518 posts)
26. At least one of each...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

A friend from high school killed himself when we were in our late twenty's and a good friend from college was killed a few years ago during a robbery.

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
29. I Know (or Knew) Two
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

One was a 12 year old who was shot by a guy in my junior year homeroom because he threw snowballs at the guy's car. Shot him with a 30_06 threw a fence. Hit him right in the heart.

The other was a friend of mine in my last year of college (he went to a different local school, but we played playground basketball together). He was shot by a guy because he was dating the shooter's ex-girl friend.

So, if i'm any representative sample, 40% isn't hard to believe.

rurallib

(62,387 posts)
30. almost unbelievable how much gun violence has crossed my life
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:04 PM
Oct 2015

and I live in a small midwestern rural community.
Best friends father murdered when he stumbled on a robbery in progress. I was staying overnight that night. Family never the same. We were 13.

Very close friend commits suicide one day after we have lunch together - age 21 junior in college. No indication of any problems.

Neighbor commits suicide during divorce just across the alley in his front yard in front of his wife and daughter

There is actually much more (5 more plus near murders plus threats) but I don't feel like going on. Have been thinking quite a bit lately with all the gun violence in the news.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
31. A friend of my daughter
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

was dating the long-divorced wife of a jealous guy who walked up to him and shot him dead.

Not dead, but a co-worker was shot in the leg at a party.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
32. I know multiples in the first category, one in the second
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:32 PM
Oct 2015

But the chart is treating the two as discrete sets and summing them to arrive at the total. That smells bad to me. Off to seek the methodology report...

eta: the poll data does NOT support the total result. They're using raw counts for two separate events and summing them when they really needed to calculate it based on number of respondents who answered yes to either. IOW, they're not considering that some of the respondents answered yes to both *someone killed* and suicides.

eta: ignore the above. See response below.

0rganism

(23,932 posts)
33. 22+28 = 50, not 40
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:56 PM
Oct 2015

so the overlap % can be inferred to be 10%

indicating that 1/10 Americans know both someone who has been killed by another and someone who killed themselves with a gun

ileus

(15,396 posts)
36. 3 Killed and 8-10 suicides
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

Folks I've personally known.

Had to scale it back from 10-15...I can count 9 folks for sure with a firearm, but a few were "other"


NickB79

(19,224 posts)
39. My cousin's fiance was shot in the head while duck hunting with my uncle and his brother
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 03:34 PM
Oct 2015

His shotgun slipped from his hands, fell, and the trigger snagged on a hook inside the duck boat.

They took him off life support 3 days later

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
40. 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides in the US every year. 20,000 people
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

While the rate of gun murders has fallen 50% in the past few decades, suicide rates involving guns haven't budged, which is why I'm always baffled we haven't done more nationally with regard to suicide prevention

enough

(13,255 posts)
41. Coming back to revisit this thread tonight,
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 07:03 PM
Oct 2015

I'm just overwhelmed by mourning. So sorry, everyone. So sorry.

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