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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:48 PM Oct 2015

Paul Ryan Will Run For House Speaker, Under Certain Conditions

Source: Washington Post

By Robert Costa and Mike DeBonis October 20 at 8:52 PM

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) delivered a pitch Tuesday night to run for House speaker and end weeks of GOP chaos as long as Republican lawmakers meet certain conditions for his tenure.

“If you can agree to these requests and I can truly be a unifying figure, then I will gladly serve,” Ryan said in a press conference following a closed-door meeting of the House GOP Conference on Tuesday night.

“This is not a job I ever sought. This is not a job I ever wanted. …. I came to the conclusion that this was a dire moment,” Ryan said. “We need to move from being an opposition party to being a proposition party…Our next speaker has to be a visionary one.”

In a reference to the demands of the House Freedom Caucus that wants dramatic changes to House rules, Ryan said: “We need to update our House rules so that everyone can be a more effective representative.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/10/20/scenes-from-the-house-gop-conference-meeting-where-everyone-is-waiting-on-paul-ryan/

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Paul Ryan Will Run For House Speaker, Under Certain Conditions (Original Post) Purveyor Oct 2015 OP
I wait until they give him the gavel . . . Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #1
You are slightly off. Brian was in the Monty Python movie. He was crucified, not fried. Hoppy Oct 2015 #17
LOL. Sure! Always choose the guy who promises to hate his job! PSPS Oct 2015 #2
Aboard ship we would get a new division officer every 6 months. edgineered Oct 2015 #3
His insistence that his job not interfere with his family time was too rich. Marie Marie Oct 2015 #4
^^^This^^^ Lochloosa Oct 2015 #6
Wisconsinites especially, should love it ... considering that the state Myrina Oct 2015 #23
I thought this was rich, considering how little time Congress actually works. alarimer Oct 2015 #24
Please please don't throw me in the Speaker briar patch! Paulie Oct 2015 #5
Tea thugs are already sawing off the limb he's perched on. kairos12 Oct 2015 #7
There is a certain irony here (and I would welcome K&Rs or+1s for this post) StevieM Oct 2015 #8
+1000 Plus I'll K&R this post. Marie Marie Oct 2015 #9
Thank you so much!! (eom) StevieM Oct 2015 #10
Thanks for the deep thinking houston16revival Oct 2015 #16
Thank you so much!! And welcome to DU!! (eom) StevieM Oct 2015 #21
+1 - and I'm too newbie to know from K&R but am teachable! n/t moonscape Oct 2015 #18
Thank you. K&R means "kick and recommend." Welcome to DU!! (eom) StevieM Oct 2015 #22
+1000. K&R! peacebird Oct 2015 #20
Is one that he not be exposed to any light? Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #11
HAHAHA, CALLED IT. joshcryer Oct 2015 #12
Some how this all seems very contrived....I had thought the reason he hadn't entered the.... Tikki Oct 2015 #13
He wants a pony. Helen Borg Oct 2015 #14
Authoritarianism from the Speaker to be houston16revival Oct 2015 #15
I don't think the super-crazies will pledge loyalty to this crazy. Darb Oct 2015 #19

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
1. I wait until they give him the gavel . . .
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

. . . before I call him a hopeless sociopathic meathead who fried his brian reading Atlas Shrugged as a teenager.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
3. Aboard ship we would get a new division officer every 6 months.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:26 PM
Oct 2015

They always acted exactly opposite of what they introduced themselves as being. The ones who said that they were fair and reasonable, wanted us to have less stress and more liberty were the biggest bastards ever. The ones saying that they were going to crack down on all us slackers and turn us into the best division ever were easy going.

This crackpot is going to do what? Move from being an opposition party, you say?

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
4. His insistence that his job not interfere with his family time was too rich.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:27 PM
Oct 2015

How about all the poor working schmucks out there that don't even have the luxury of taking time off to tend to their families - even in time of crisis. Sure there is the Family Leave thing but if I am correct - that could mean time off without pay. Many cannot afford to do that. I applaud his dedication to his family but he would be taking on a huge job that may just cut into that family time. Average citizens make these kind of sacrifices all the time and he of all people would be against anything that would give employees that flexibility if Corporations were against it. Must be nice...

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
23. Wisconsinites especially, should love it ... considering that the state
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

GOP has proposed legislation eliminating 'weekends' and making it ok for people to work 7 days on end with no mandated time off.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
24. I thought this was rich, considering how little time Congress actually works.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:09 PM
Oct 2015

How many recesses do they have a year? Plus they only work about three days a week anyway.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
8. There is a certain irony here (and I would welcome K&Rs or+1s for this post)
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:02 PM
Oct 2015

Sorry for the shameful request for love, but I really want people to read this.

In 2011 Paul Ryan was propelled into the Republican House leadership as Chairman of the House Budget Committee. His path was very similar to the one that John Kasich had once taken: the leaders loved him and his ideas, so after 12 years in Congress he was allowed to leapfrog more senior members.

Ryan immediately came out with a bunch of huge ideas. They would have completely transformed America. And the voters hated every last one of them. For example, he wanted to cut and privatize medicare right after an election that was largely won because the GOP portrayed themselves as the defenders of traditional medicare from Obamacare incursions.

The same thing happened to Kasich in 1995. The American people overwhelmingly rejected his budget and tax cuts, by an even wider margin (in the polls) than they rejected the GOP budget proposals under Obama. And he shut down the government in order to blackmail them into agreeing to his unpopular policies. (Clinton made it clear that if need be he would let the government shutdown last all the way through the election, but he wouldn't give in to the Republicans' demands.)

Ryan's ideas torpedoed the Republican Party in 2011. The American people quickly regretted having voted for them. Never-the-less, the GOP used their position of power to threaten a debt default and get Obama to agree to the sequester. But the polls showed that the Republican Congress was hated and not at all likely to be returned to the majority after the next election. Even many Republicans, in early to mid 2011, acknowledged that the House would almost certainly be lost in November 2012....if not for redistricting.

Boy was that ever the case. The aftermath of the 2010 Census gave us the gerrymandering to end all gerrymanders. In 2012 the Republicans lost the popular vote for the House, by a decent margin, and yet they won the House, by a decent margin. In some states they got a minority of the vote, but an overwhelming majority of the seats.

The effect of this gerrymandering was tremendous...even historic. Unlike in 1995-96, when Dole, Gingrich and Kasich had to back down, out of fear that they would get crushed in the next election, the current GOP Congress had no such fear. They had made certain that they almost certainly couldn't lose, even if they lacked the support of the American people.

This is what led to the current situation affecting John Boehner and the Republican caucus. The debate that they have been having in recent years is not really over policy. It is not really about Boehner and McCarthy, let alone Paul Ryan, not being conservatives. It is about whether or not to threaten the American people with a government shutdown and/or a debt default unless they acquiesce to Republican policy demands.

Essentially, presidential elections would become meaningless, and instead we would decide policy based on state legislative and gubernatorial elections in the census year, and how they affect redistricting for the next 10 years. Barack Obama could win an election based on certain policy positions and the GOP could demand that he instead pass their policies and repeal his--or they would open the gates of Hell on the American people. It would start with Obamacare--and then move on to the privatizing of Social Security. Each budget and each debt ceiling increase would yield more demands for more concessions.

This is what the Freedom Caucus, hard right Republicans are demanding. This is their big dispute with John Boener, and why they don't want him to be Speaker, to the point of even voting against him on the House floor (one considered the ultimate party-line vote). They are debating how to handle the power they gave themselves when they abrogated democracy through the redistricting process.

Paul Ryan is believed to be the only man who can win their support without signing on to their signature issue--extreme blackmail attempts against the American people. When they say that he is the only man who can unite the party, what they mean is that he is the only man who the ultra-extremists will vote for, even if he won't promise a government shutdown or debt default.

The great irony is that the radical redistricting which made this situation possible was created in order to limit the damage caused by Paul Ryan's policy proposals. He is the one who torpedoed the Republican Congress's favorability almost immediately after they came to power. And that is what made it so important to gerrymander the House to an insane and unprecedented degree. And that is what created the group of lawmakers who won't vote for their own party's Speaker-candidate on the House floor unless they promise to burn the country down if they are not allowed to govern it, with or without electoral victories and a mandate from the people. Apparently, giving them Paul Ryan is the compromise....he's their concession prize.

Then again...maybe the irony here is more limited than I am saying. In truth, the Republicans were always going to super- gerrymander the House. Their contempt for democracy is just that strong.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
16. Thanks for the deep thinking
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:02 AM
Oct 2015

you have gerrymandered my mind on what's been happening

and given it more time and thought than I could muster

It's a dictatorship of wealthy interests in a democratic body

Tikki

(14,556 posts)
13. Some how this all seems very contrived....I had thought the reason he hadn't entered the....
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:14 AM
Oct 2015

Repug race so far was because he was hoping he'd get drafted at their convention.

His visibility as speaker will keep him out and about for repug voter's to see.


Tikki

houston16revival

(953 posts)
15. Authoritarianism from the Speaker to be
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:56 AM
Oct 2015

is not terribly compatible with the idea of the Freedom Caucus

oh wait, they are the Authoritarian Tea Potty Caucus

Still, it's a power struggle from the get go

Ryan's been clear he wants to drive his conservative agenda

Others not included

Speaker, even if only in Parliamentary terms, gives time and respect
to the opposition

Typical Ryan Power Grab

Dictator

Joe Biden's laughin' at you, kid

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
19. I don't think the super-crazies will pledge loyalty to this crazy.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:28 AM
Oct 2015

This is their opportunity to take control, in their delusional little minds.

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